osd
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 345
- Joined: 2010/12/05 19:13:45
- Status: offline
Recording the metronome
OK, goofy question here, but that's my specialty.  I have a project, with metronome turned on for playback and recording, running through a metronome bus. The metronome bus has an effects bin on it, and it's so dialed in now that when I turn the metronome off, the project doesn't sound as well. So I'm looking for how to get that metronome track recorded, but nothing I try seems to work. I realize I can simulate it by taking the clave sounds for the metronome and just adding them to a track manually, but it did get me curious. Is there a way to record the X1 metronome? Thanks, OSD (On Screen Display)
i7-870 2.93Ghz, 16GB RAM, Radeon HD 5770 + 2 x DisplayLink w/ 4 x 22" screens, Intel SSD 80GB, Sonar X1-D Exp. - Problems? How's your latency? What processes are running? Driver crash?
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/03 19:48:45
(permalink)
there may be a way to make a send off the metrodone and send it to an open track..or bus.because after all the metrodone is a bus...its a bus that is sent to no track input..so just reassign it.
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
HumbleNoise
Max Output Level: -46 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2946
- Joined: 2004/01/04 12:53:50
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/03 20:53:52
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
I don't think there's way to send a bus to a track - is there? I thought that was always the gripe about Sonar versus 'other software.'
There IS a way to do what you want and MAY require a mixer to do so but with my Yamaha MG12/4 Mixer I can send the Master out from the mixer on the 'Group 1-2' out to an armed track and record anything that's coming through the Master bus.
So if you have your Metronome routed through your Master Bus you can mute all tracks except the Metronome sound and record it - I just did it. Then effect it in any way you'd like.
But either you need a mixer or a sound card that will serve the same purpose of recording your Master Bus to a track. I don't know how (or if) you can do that within Sonar alone.
HTH
Humbly Yours Larry Sonar X2 x64 MAudio 2496 Yamaha MG 12/4 Roland XV-88 Intel MB with Q6600 and 4 GB Ram NVidia 9800 GTX Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
|
Somerset
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 634
- Joined: 2004/10/20 06:07:27
- Location: Sydney, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/03 23:31:10
(permalink)
Larry I am 99% sure that you are correct. There is no direct way to record a bus in Sonar and there is not any "in the box" way to route a bus back to any track in Sonar. I've always used an external mixer, or my sound card's "patch bay" to record a bus.
On the other hand - I think that you should be able to render the metronome bus output to a wavefile. Then you can import the metronome wavefile anytime you like, and even turn it into a Groove Clip if you want it to follow project tempo. You would just need to mute everything else that you don't want to hear, and make sure the Metronome bus is audible, and then "export audio" with the appropriate options selected. I am not at my DAW so I can't test this right now, but I can't think of any reason why it would not work.
|
Bigdogs
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 378
- Joined: 2010/01/10 13:16:23
- Location: Reading, UK
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/04 02:13:06
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
One way is to use the Tape recorder in Guitar Rig inserted as an FX on the metronome bus.
Sonar Platinum 64 bit, Windows 10 64 bit, i5 4670K Haswell Processor, 4.2GHz, 8Gb RAM, Focusrite Scarlett 2i4, AMD Radeon R7 260X, 120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, 1000GB 7200RPM Hard Disk
|
Kurtly
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 33
- Joined: 2011/01/27 18:51:42
- Location: Canberra, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/04 23:23:39
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
I was trying to do the same thing when X! first came out, to give my drummer a click track to rehearse with... I only just remembered this plugin, have not tried it yet: http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/
|
Kurtly
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 33
- Joined: 2011/01/27 18:51:42
- Location: Canberra, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/04 23:40:19
(permalink)
Windows 32 bit only, was able to record 30 seconds of click from within a current project by inserting it on the metronome bus. You need to hit record in the plugin and then in Sonar. You could then easily import the wav file it creates and line it up with your project.
|
osd
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 345
- Joined: 2010/12/05 19:13:45
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 01:23:06
(permalink)
Thanks for all the help. Somerset, for some reason I couldn't get the metronome bus exported. The WAV would be empty each time. Most likely PBKAC on my end.  I can see a mixer in my near future... Bigdogs, that was a great idea! Never thought of doing that. And thanks for the post Kurtly. The recorder vst was pie-simple!
i7-870 2.93Ghz, 16GB RAM, Radeon HD 5770 + 2 x DisplayLink w/ 4 x 22" screens, Intel SSD 80GB, Sonar X1-D Exp. - Problems? How's your latency? What processes are running? Driver crash?
|
Somerset
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 634
- Joined: 2004/10/20 06:07:27
- Location: Sydney, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 02:41:21
(permalink)
osd
Thanks for all the help.
Somerset, for some reason I couldn't get the metronome bus exported. The WAV would be empty each time. Most likely PBKAC on my end. I can see a mixer in my near future...
Bigdogs, that was a great idea! Never thought of doing that.
And thanks for the post Kurtly. The recorder vst was pie-simple!
OK sorry about that...I would expect it would have worked, but haven't tried it. I'll give it a try myself next time I get chance, and I will let you know if I have any luck. Anyway I am glad you found a workaround.
|
osd
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 345
- Joined: 2010/12/05 19:13:45
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 09:35:58
(permalink)
Cool, let us know if it works for you. I'm still learning routing, so it's quite likely it's possible but I'm not doing it right.
i7-870 2.93Ghz, 16GB RAM, Radeon HD 5770 + 2 x DisplayLink w/ 4 x 22" screens, Intel SSD 80GB, Sonar X1-D Exp. - Problems? How's your latency? What processes are running? Driver crash?
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 09:53:19
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
the metronome is designed so that it will not export.
your best implementation, IMO, is to create a simple MIDI click track output to TTS-1.
|
Somerset
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 634
- Joined: 2004/10/20 06:07:27
- Location: Sydney, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 10:12:10
(permalink)
osd
Cool, let us know if it works for you. I'm still learning routing, so it's quite likely it's possible but I'm not doing it right.
Sorry Beagle is right - the metronome won't export. It was just my mistake that you could export anything that you could hear on a bus. A mixer, or MIDI or the VST recorder mentioned in this thread are all viable options.
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 10:25:24
(permalink)
have any of you guys tried ??i just put a send off the metrodone and sent it to a new sterio bus.,i put an effect on it..the level comes throught the master and is recorded in the final mix.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2011/05/06 10:31:03
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 10:38:13
(permalink)
I have not tried using a send. if that works then that's a great implementation!
|
Karyn
Ma-Ma
- Total Posts : 9200
- Joined: 2009/01/30 08:03:10
- Location: Lincoln, England.
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 10:47:56
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
Alternative method:
Hang up your vox headphones on the main vox mic
Record the metronome to its own track.
Mekashi Futo. Get 10% off all Waves plugins.Current DAW. i7-950, Gigabyte EX58-UD5, 12Gb RAM, 1Tb SSD, 2x2Tb HDD, nVidia GTX 260, Antec 1000W psu, Win7 64bit, Studio 192, Digimax FS, KRK RP8G2, Sonar Platinum
|
karma1959
Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
- Total Posts : 515
- Joined: 2008/10/31 10:56:29
- Location: Brooklyn, NY
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 12:37:30
(permalink)
I've been able to route an audio metronome to the master bus, but when exporting that final master bus mix to an. mp3 or wav - the click wasn't exported / encoded along with the music.
The only way I've been able to do this is as suggested above - setup a MIDI metronome, and send it to a synth (internal or external) & record the resulting audio - then mix that track down along with audio on all the other tracks into the final wav or .mp3.
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/06 21:52:04
(permalink)
try routing the metrodone through a send..to is own bus..then export all buses.the bus you sent the metrodone to is recorded in the final mix when you select "what you hear" on export.
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
mho34
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3
- Joined: 2011/05/06 23:31:34
- Location: South Carolina
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/07 00:13:44
(permalink)
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/07 01:37:24
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
karma1959
I've been able to route an audio metronome to the master bus, but when exporting that final master bus mix to an. mp3 or wav - the click wasn't exported / encoded along with the music.
The only way I've been able to do this is as suggested above - setup a MIDI metronome, and send it to a synth (internal or external) & record the resulting audio - then mix that track down along with audio on all the other tracks into the final wav or .mp3.
not route to the master,throw a send off the metrodone to a new bus.."then export what you hear."
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
osd
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 345
- Joined: 2010/12/05 19:13:45
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/07 11:31:31
(permalink)
That's awesome. One problem, multiple solutions...plus using a send has opened up new vistas of ideas.
i7-870 2.93Ghz, 16GB RAM, Radeon HD 5770 + 2 x DisplayLink w/ 4 x 22" screens, Intel SSD 80GB, Sonar X1-D Exp. - Problems? How's your latency? What processes are running? Driver crash?
|
Somerset
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 634
- Joined: 2004/10/20 06:07:27
- Location: Sydney, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/09 07:40:54
(permalink)
Bigdogs
One way is to use the Tape recorder in Guitar Rig inserted as an FX on the metronome bus.
This works really well. I didn't realise that Guitar Rig had it's own little recorder built in.
|
Somerset
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 634
- Joined: 2004/10/20 06:07:27
- Location: Sydney, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/09 07:50:55
(permalink)
chuckebaby
have any of you guys tried ??i just put a send off the metrodone and sent it to a new sterio bus.,i put an effect on it..the level comes throught the master and is recorded in the final mix.
Chucke - unfortunately I can't get this to work. Obviously I must be doing something wrong. I created a new bus. I created a send to the new bus. I set the metronome to play on playback. I exported "what you hear" but silence was the result. Could you please explain your method in more detail? Thanks
|
Blogman
Max Output Level: -81 dBFS
- Total Posts : 481
- Joined: 2011/02/08 02:32:48
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/09 14:18:54
(permalink)
You can also insert Gtr rig on a blank audio track, then turn on the metronome in gtr rig, now freeze the track and gtr rigs metronome will bounce down.
|
daveny5
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 16934
- Joined: 2003/11/06 09:54:36
- Location: North Carolina
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/09 23:23:53
(permalink)
there may be a way to make a send off the metrodone Its a "metronome". The Metrodome is a football stadium. Metrodone is not a word. 
Dave Computer: Intel i7, ASROCK H170M, 16GB/5TB+, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, Sonar Platinum, TASCAM US-16x08, Cakewalk UM-3G MIDI I/F Instruments: SL-880 Keyboard controller, Korg 05R/W, Korg N1R, KORG Wavestation EX Axes: Fender Stratocaster, Line6 Variax 300, Ovation Acoustic, Takamine Nylon Acoustic, Behringer GX212 amp, Shure SM-58 mic, Rode NT1 condenser mic. Outboard: Mackie 1402-VLZ mixer, TC Helicon VoiceLive 2, Digitech Vocalist WS EX, PODXTLive, various stompboxes and stuff. Controllers: Korg nanoKONTROL, Wacom Bamboo Touchpad
|
yorolpal
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13829
- Joined: 2003/11/20 11:50:37
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/10 00:42:24
(permalink)
I constructed a one measure groove clip in my Normal Template of the the Ping HI and Ping LO waves by dragging them in from the browser. Then I rolled the groove clip out to 150 measures...making sure to keep it as groove clip. Then I saved as my Normal Template. Now I have the metronome playing 150 measures when I start a project but as soon as I have my drums laid in (usually starting at measure 3) I delete the rest of the "groove clipped metronome" track. Tres easy.
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/10 00:59:01
(permalink)
i have to say i cant for the life of me figure out how i did this..i just tryed two times with no luck..(still trying)but scrap my idea(for now)im a loser..sorry(untill i figure out how i did it.)i had an effect on it,i know that..all i can think is somehow the effect picked up the signal and not the bus.(though i havent tryed the real time(might have done that)
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
Somerset
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 634
- Joined: 2004/10/20 06:07:27
- Location: Sydney, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/10 01:29:13
(permalink)
yorolpal
I constructed a one measure groove clip in my Normal Template of the the Ping HI and Ping LO waves by dragging them in from the browser. Then I rolled the groove clip out to 150 measures...making sure to keep it as groove clip. Then I saved as my Normal Template. Now I have the metronome playing 150 measures when I start a project but as soon as I have my drums laid in (usually starting at measure 3) I delete the rest of the "groove clipped metronome" track. Tres easy.
Great idea. I didn't know those samples were already there. Or if I did know I forgot :)
|
Somerset
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 634
- Joined: 2004/10/20 06:07:27
- Location: Sydney, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/10 01:39:04
(permalink)
chuckebaby
i have to say i cant for the life of me figure out how i did this..i just tryed two times with no luck..(still trying)but scrap my idea(for now)im a loser..sorry(untill i figure out how i did it.)i had an effect on it,i know that..all i can think is somehow the effect picked up the signal and not the bus.(though i havent tryed the real time(might have done that)
I tried the real time export what you hear option as well, and it didn't make any difference. The playback was silent in real time during the export. Anyway don't be too hard on yourself. It seems like a good idea, and I would have expected it to work. Maybe it did work for you, and there was just some weird setting you've forgotten. This isn't a big deal anyway. It's just one of those little things we like to puzzle over.
|
bluzdog
Max Output Level: -56 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1928
- Joined: 2007/10/06 17:15:14
- Location: Lakewood, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/11 13:48:45
(permalink)
I just had a brain fart.........Why not browse to the metronome (for me it's Sonar Producer-> Metronome) choose the sound you want ( i.e. cowbell ) and drop the file into your project. Enable groove clip, drag it to the legnth of the project and it should follow the project tempo.
That said, I just tried it and Sonar crashed. Damn the bad luck!!!
|
yorolpal
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13829
- Joined: 2003/11/20 11:50:37
- Status: offline
Re:Recording the metronome
2011/05/11 13:52:55
(permalink)
Please see my post above with similar solution that does work.
|