Rename clip without opening inspector?

Opening the real estate consuming inspector. No other way as far as I know.

I have a dual monitor display and its not a bother to have the inspector open on the other monitor and very convenient.

Tripecac


I also have 2 monitors but am used to Sonar 8.5.3, where you didn't have to use the inspector if you didn't want to.  I never wanted to use it, and still don't!  Unfortunately, it seems like we're forced to use it for changing the time and key trim and also for clip renaming.  Sigh.

+1


...let's also keep in mind that there are scenarios with one single monitor only available,
and then it is often a waste of space.... thus not convenient.... 

  ...plus, for faster, intuitive and immediate use, features should be mainly located in their proper context where they physically belong...  

 

John T


You press I. The inspector appears. You make your changes. You press I. The inspector disappears. Sure, it's using up screen space in those moments when it's exactly what you're looking at.

This is no different at all from opening and closing a dialog box.

...there is difference.... as going straight to the clips or to track header to change values for whatever is to them related is more natural and spontaneous...

...and still no need to waste any space...

...at least it should be an obvious option.... as it was......  ;-)




  

points of view...

..nevertheless it does waste a lot of space... especially considering its "double-strip" size... 

...and what's worse, it's even more confusing, as it blows different aspects of editing divided by several tabs, which often means... "which is where...?"...

...not only space, but even time waster, in the end......


...going right away and straight to the track is always faster......... 

John TGiven that one of the favourite themes around here is that MORE CLIKZ IZ BAD, it should be noted that this is fewer clicks than right clicking a clip and then left clicking the option to rename.

I don't really care about the debate, but I do care about factual correctness. I don't see how you're counting clicks.


To make the change, and get back to where you started (something the X1 defenders seem always to conveniently omit), I have:


8.5
1. Right-click clip
2. Choose Clip Properties
3. Type a new name over the already highlighted existing name.
4. Enter or OK




X1
1. Select the clip.
2. Click or "I" to open Inspector.
3. Click the Clips tab.
4. Click in the name field to edit it and/or swipe over the existing/default name to select it.
5. Type the new name.
6. Enter to save it.
7. Click the Clip tab again to close it.
8. Click or press "I" to close Inspector.

Even without closing the Clips tab and the Inspector, X1 has two more clicks/keystrokes to get the basic operation done.

brundlefly

John T
Given that one of the favourite themes around here is that MORE CLIKZ IZ BAD, it should be noted that this is fewer clicks than right clicking a clip and then left clicking the option to rename.

I don't really care about the debate, but I do care about factual correctness. I don't see how you're counting clicks.


To make the change, and get back to where you started (something the X1 defenders seem always to conveniently omit), I have:


8.5
1. Right-click clip
2. Choose Clip Properties
3. Type a new name over the already highlighted existing name.
4. Enter or OK




X1
1. Select the clip.
2. Click or "I" to open Inspector.
3. Click the Clips tab.
4. Click in the name field to edit it and/or swipe over the existing/default name to select it.
5. Type the new name.
6. Enter to save it.
7. Click the Clip tab again to close it.
8. Click or press "I" to close Inspector.

Even without closing the Clips tab and the Inspector, X1 has two more clicks/keystrokes to get the basic operation done.

  ...nice one, Brundlefly... 

...it actually summarizes the concept of X1 making SONAR so much SLOWER than before... indeed...


   

Yes, yes, yes....

there are wonderful new features to the new method...

But... amongst all these other issues I must look away from what I'm working on (the clip) as the data appears away from the clip... and I had to move my mouse across the screen to click on clip after first opening the Inspector...

It's got advantages as well as disadvantages and maybe the two will work themselves out...

Right now for me this is another minor PITA to the new GUI...

How often do I rename more than one clip to the same name??? For me I need the clip data to be individual to each clip. I don't remember the last time I applied the same edit of this kind to two clips...

But honestly? I can live with this.... I hope they spend more time fixing all the layer/envelope issues instead! ;-)

Keni

when one needs to name multiple clips the X1 way is faster

Sorry, John, I'm not seeing it. At best, X1 is a dead heat with 8.5's four steps, and that only if you exclude opening and closing the Inspector and the Clips tab.

Once you have the Clips tab showing, renaming each additional clip or group of clips (which 8.5 can also do) requires:

1. Select the clip(s)
2. Click or swipe in the Clip Name field of the Inspector
3. Type the name
4. Enter

Did you see the video?  In your first post one step I can eliminate because I have the inspector always open or most often.

I looked at several. I wasn't sure which one you intended. I didn't see anything that contradicted what I posted.


The reason I included opening the Inspector is that it had already been pointed out that the Inspector takes up a significant amount of screen real estate, to which John T replied 'But the "wasted space" thing is simply bunk. It can be shown and hidden with a single keypress or mouse click.'

I was just showing that all those "single" keystrokes add up.

It's not a big deal, but it's simply not true that X1 is comparable to 8.5 in this case, much less "way faster".

Has anyone looked at the video. It shows that X1 is faster for doing this.

When you open that page it is set to go. Its about 10 things faster in X1 v 8.5. That is the title. The whole vid is cool but the part that is of interest here is about a little more then half way through.

I watched the main video, and saw the few seconds of talking about how the inspector makes editing properties of multiple clips easier. I don't really see how it's faster for editing a single clip, though.

I think many of the X1 UI changes will benefit some people and hurt others. I guess it's all in how you use Sonar.

Personally, I like being able to right click on something to edit its properties in a popup. That's a common Windows UI feature. Having properties populate a fixed panel (like the inspector) feels like more a Apple/Photoshop/Macromedia thing.

I like the Windows approach because I've been using Windows for 15+ years and am used to it.

I know, however, that Windows is not considered as "cool" as Apple these days. With the recession, Cakewalk needed to do something radical to coax people's wallets out of their pockets. The "radical" thing they did was make Sonar less Windows-y and more Apple-y.

Some people will think X1 is "cool", just like iTunes, iPods, and facebook are "cool". And to them, maybe that sort of Apple-esque interface is indeed more usable. But to long-time Windows users like me, who would rather have tedious-yet-reliable control rather than fast-and-flaky control, a lot of the changes in X1 are unwelcome.

I hope Cakewalk finds a way to give Windows control freaks what they want, and Apple fans what they want. To do that, they need to add back some of the Sonar 8.5.3 UI. It makes for a more complex program (with multiple ways of doing things), but that's the price they (and we) will pay for the recession prodding Cakewalk into making the "radical" changes.

JClosed


I think this threads are funny. If people used the time needed to type in their (most times lengthy) complaints for doing those few extra clicks in X1 they should be more productive with X1 then they are with 8.5. In short - complaining over, and over, and over, and over, and over , and over again - takes far more time than just do that (supposedly) few extra mouse clicks.. Funny indeed... ;-)

...wrong....

...complaints in this cases (often, at least...) are reasoned criticism, based on daily experience which at times proves that X1 itself could be more productive....
...thus serve to make Cakewalk improve their product ...that is the goal...  

...X1 being slower than 8.5 is a heavy reported issue, so there must be reasons........ 

...there would be no good in denying or being silent about that....

Tripecac


 
I think many of the X1 UI changes will benefit some people and hurt others. I guess it's all in how you use Sonar.

Personally, I like being able to right click on something to edit its properties in a popup. That's a common Windows UI feature. Having properties populate a fixed panel (like the inspector) feels like more a Apple/Photoshop/Macromedia thing.


... To do that, they need to add back some of the Sonar 8.5.3 UI. It makes for a more complex program (with multiple ways of doing things)... 

...agree....

...remarking that SONAR is a Windows application, working in a Windows environment... even with Macs' Bootcamp, it still operates in Windows.....

...so what have the Macs (and their ugly-trendy-toy-like "i-Toys"...) got to do with it......? NOTHING.............!  

...Sure, it's market that rules the world, but in these days when APPLE is eventually aiming its products to a wider, younger, and then less "Pro" range of customers, all happy within their closed world all around i-Tunes/i-Phone/i-Craps, while Windows7 appears to be the real "working" OS (no matter what Macs fanatics will say and their usual tiresome common grounds...) it all becomes weird............  

John

...They even have the gall to sue Samsung about their new Galaxy tablet. It looks too much like an ipad.
...Now Android is taking the consumer market by storm and Apple is having a fit. They also stopped distribution in the EU.

Apple, when are people going to wake up?

 
 
 
...yep... that's APPLE's usual "style"... USUAL "eletist" arrogance...  unbearable....