Reply to to the shift in the forum thread

FYI it is traditional when you are replying to a thread, you reply on the thread rather than split it on a separate thread 
Although this seems to be an entirely different topic so nevermind!

I ate a quette once.
 
Upset my stomach it did.

Awesome!! Another thread about stuff we can't do anything about!! 
 
I heard quettes taste like chicken.  That true, Bapu?
 
Apologies to the OP.

I'm a contrary sort, always have been.  I'm absolutely delighted that I'm not part of a crowd who buy hardware and software based on trendiness. It reinforces my love of the gear and DAW I use which both give me all the functionality I need.
  

P-Theory
So shoot me, I'm sorry I didn't have time to read throguh 5 pages but got the gist after 2.

 
Must remember this technique next time I fill in my tax return.... 

Beepster
Yeah... they probably should figure out a way to port to Mac but as a PC user I'd rather they not and just keeping making things better for ME (I'm greedy like that... lol).
 
 

Porting to a Mac would not make Sonar a more likely choice for professional users concerned about compatibility with other pro's. ProTools is Mac or PC now, but I expect there would not be a lot of dedicated PT users who would leap to Cakewalk if they could run it natively on a Mac. There are probably not zillions of people running Sonar under Bootcamp, even though performance should be pretty much the same as on an equivalent "PC.'' When Apple ported their machine to Intel, Windows did not become the OS of choice for the Mac, even though there are reports that Windows on a MacBook Pro runs better than OSX. There is absolutely nothing about Apple machines that makes them inherently more suitable to audio work than a well built computer from any other source. People who are paying for over-priced computers from Apple are unlikely to think much about how much money they would save by buying Sonar instead of one of the already OSX-ready alternatives. And any savings in price would be offset by the problems entailed by trying to get projects from one DAW into an essentially incompatible competitor. So long as the industry leaders are converging on a de facto standard DAW, it will not be displaced by a simple port of a less popular (at least among pro's) DAW to a more popular OS.

Anderton
However more people, including professionals with multiple platinum records, are working in "closed" environments when they are creating their own studios (hence needing designers like Storyk), and can use pretty much whatever software they want.

This is a great point. I don't need to know I am using the same cool software as someone else. I just need something that works for me, in my "closed" environment. Computer based DAWs are reducing our need for big commercial studios. In the end, the quality of my home recordings is technically indistinguishable from that of recordings coming from studios using Pro Tools or any other DAW. And when I record outside my home (because I can't do a live band in my place), the tracks I make somewhere else on some other DAW are perfectly importable to Sonar back at the house. Sonar is not inferior to other DAWs, and I don't have an inferiority complex because it's the one I choose to use.

I have only used SONAR, so I am proof that ignorance is bliss

tlw
As for saving money on the DAW software by buying Sonar rather than an OS X DAW, Sonar Platinum costs considerably more for a first-time buyer than Logic Pro X. Apple have the advantage of being able to use their software as a low-priced incentive to buy their hardware, then Apple make their money out of selling that hardware. The combination works together and if one half of it generates little or no income that doesn't matter so long as the other compensates.

Yup Apple makes a lot of money on their hardware and charges a premium, that's why as soon as they get the opportunity they will release another hardware platform making the current software (or plugged in hardware such as UAD cards) impossible to run on it. You then end up stuck in the middle ages until you update your hardware. I've seen this happen over and over again it's enough to make you want to update to Linux 
 
That does not happen so often with PC's... however with Windows 10 for free ones wonders if MS is starting to follow this strategy themselves (doing a deal with hardware manufacturers).

No issues with off the shelf Dell machine now 4 years old. I tend to wipe the machine and reinstall windows when I get it. And yes I've done quite a bit of optimization.

Like many here I have run both PC's and Macs in the studio. I for one am thrilled that Sonar has stayed with a single platform. It could well be the reason it is so far ahead of other PC offerings. I would also argue that most musicians I know who do run Windows platform choose Sonar as their DAW. I imagine the folks at Cakewalk are probably quite happy with their placement in the market.

Hmmm isn't that what the OP was discussing? Maybe I've lost the ability to read it is getting late..

dp. Believe it or noot, I dp every time someone uses the hotel lift (elevator)

Ten years ago buying Sonar 4, everything audio related I bought had some kind of feedback to vendor - which daw you use. Everything but Sonar used to be there as a checkbox. This is more an exception nowadays.
 
Being owned those years by Roland helped a lot, I think.
 
I heard a story on a podcast about ProTools vs Cubase in studios. Panel meant that Steinberg have had their tries to enter sending some tech guys over to main studio venues and try to sell Cubase basically as main daw. But they failed due to not being compatible enough with hardware on site - controllers etc. Something like that - but Steinberg tried and failed - is what they meant in this podcast.
 
When entering a new realm we tend to be insecure - and marketing use that as much as they possibly can.
- What do the pro's use?
- What are used in studios?
Those are selling points - but not for Sonar so much.
 
So how to proceed marketing Sonar - Cakewalk, just be professional about it.
I followed Avid DUC forum since last fall - since this new debackle with new policy etc - PT being the only main daw I haven't had hands on.
 
But all this crap about PT12 that's been going around - now make even PT users post threads like this one. Even PT users are feeling insecure these day and the need to be excused for using it. There was this guy, Moderator even on forum - that posted this thread about how much he loved PT12 and how well it went recording this 30 piece orchestra etc.
 
Why did he feel to post that to begin with?
It doesn't take much for us to be insecure.
 
Cakewalk has been forerunner in some fields, and still is top dog in many areas as I see it. x64 was early adopted, 64-bit engine was early adopted, in my view they crushed competition in how freeze is implemented(still to be in ProTools by the way). PC in X-series was also new thinking as I recall, more to resemble physical consoles kind of, and changed format for that.
 
I swapped daws like crazy the last five years to find the best solution for my music project.
I thought, a daw that cost so much more - it must be better on something, or better maintenance, support or similar. But found there is no correlation on price and these factors - when diving in the big money ponds.
 
What Cakewalk did so far with new policy really convinced me they mean business.
I feel they want more, and listen more - and deliver too.
 
Avid is trying to dictate terms and condition for their userbase - future will tell how that goes. Q1 2015 already show numbers in the red, and result down by $8 million same period last year. And Q2 and Q3 report this year will tell what future might be - if successful approach or outrageuous, which I feel it is.
 
I use Cakewalk Sonar - because I'm worth it.......my bank account too....
But please Cakewalk, change the music on Rapture Pro trailer, the worst crap I ever heard - made me puke, almost, that off pitch portamento kind sound, more than music. Even if it's not my genre, it got to be likeable and not repulsive. I know there are much cooler sounds in there to show off - in my DP even.
 

Opps... Somebody insulted EDM music.... ! Prepare yourselves! It could get messy...