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2013/04/24 17:44:22 (permalink)

Roland/ Cakewalk, the future of SONAR platform?

 Roland/ Cakewalk, the future of SONAR platform? 
 

What is going on over at CAKEWALK?
Things that I react on are:
 
 
*No new service updates in a very a long time?
*No real hardware controller support anymore or updates?
*Key members at Cakewalk get layoff at Cakewalk?
*No or very little communication between end-users and Cakewalk company/Staff what actually is going on with Cakewalk SONAR platform?
 
 
*************
 
I just want to know if SONAR is a safe investment in the future or if I need to change my investment into another DAW platform instead?
Is SONAR X2 the last SONAR DAW from Cakewalk company?  
   
   Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk
]

Hey, everything is great. We are just busy at work. We definitely aren't in a basement. 

   
 
Thanks in advance!
Best Regards
Freddie
post edited by Freddie H - 2013/04/25 12:54:19


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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 18:02:59 (permalink)
I think you already know the answer and just like to stir up trouble, Freddie. LOL! 
Just kidding... I know you're a good guy.

Cakewalk actually just released a new product based on the SONAR technology... Music Creator Touch http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/MusicCreator/

So... I don't think they're going anywhere just yet. 

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 18:32:03 (permalink)
Freddy,
Please alter your thread title.  It's alarmist like a bad tweet.
If you don't, this thread is guaranteed to go bye bye!
 
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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 18:49:07 (permalink)

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 19:03:28 (permalink)
This post seems a bit like Chicken Little.  While I think the Cakewalk/Roland management seems to be in need of a little sensitivity training these days, not to mention a visible spokesperson, I don't see any factual signs of looming disaster. 

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 20:26:26 (permalink)
Good one, Freddie!


My own theory: this thread is a diversion, planted by Roland to draw attention away from the real conspiracy. Which I'd discuss further, but they're listening. 


Now, where'd I put that tinfoil hat?


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 20:29:56 (permalink)
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Good one, Freddie!


My own theory: this thread is a diversion, planted by Roland to draw attention away from the real conspiracy. Which I'd discuss further, but they're listening. 


Now, where'd I put that tinfoil hat?

I just spat my drink everywhere..
 
Thanks, bitflipper.

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 20:44:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Freddie H


Concern User! Are Roland ending SONAR platform for good?
I think it's very unfortunate if that is true!
Things that I react on are:
 
 
*No new service updates in a very a long time?
*No real hardware controller support anymore or updates?
*Key members at Cakewalk get layoff at Cakewalk?
*No or very little communication between end-users and Cakewalk company/Staff what actually is going on with Cakewalk SONAR platform?
 
 
*************
 
I just want to know if SONAR is a safe investment in the future or if I need to change my investment into another DAW platform instead?
Is SONAR X2 the last SONAR DAW from Cakewalk company? Are Roland pull the plug on Cakewalk?  Very unfortunate if that is true!
 
 
 
 
Thanks in advance!
Best Regards
Freddie

Freddie, I don't think there is reason for concern...
 
I was going post a sarcastic remark about Music Creator Touch being nothing more than the X2a patch applied to Music Creator 6, but I decided to check out the new product (to see if they mentioned anything about Staff View - and no, they didn't).


But I decided to watch the introductory video of Music Creator Touch, when I stumbled upon something fascinating - here's a screenshot - notice anything interesting?  I guess it hints at a couple issues - Roland's commitment to Sonar and whether or not there will be an X2b patch, or maybe just a paid upgrade to X3 (and to think I just upgraded to X2 a week ago...):



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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 21:36:56 (permalink)
Although it is not something I need right now, that touch thing looks really cool and the price is good. One complaint about Windows touch devices and tablets is the dearth of music software, so here you go. And if you don't stop complaining about Roland, they will send the tripods with heat rays.

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 21:41:02 (permalink)
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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 22:00:57 (permalink)
Really quite the silly thread, Freddie.

Now go hide under the covers and wait till they tell you it's safe to come out.

Really, we don't need any more conspiracy theories propagated.

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 22:09:56 (permalink)
I think Freddie is just [over]reacting to the lack of visible love between Roland and Cakewalk.

I feel uneasy about it myself.

If I were Roland and had bothered to acquire a Daw company,
I would be proud of the fact and trumpet its greatness, like they do the Boss brand, etc.

But they don't seem to care that they have a great product in hand.





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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 22:40:32 (permalink)
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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/24 23:28:33 (permalink)
bitflipper

Now, where'd I put that tinfoil hat?

I upgraded last week..




Freddie it's long past April the 1st.. 

tell us some good news for a change... go on make a change.


as much as you'd like cakewalk to answer your many questions e.g. how to change from multicoloured 123312 point fonts.. don't be sad when they don't
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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 00:08:28 (permalink)
I think we all know what is really going on here. Obama is putting pressure on Roland because they did themselves in with the name X. Which is a clear violation for prescription drugs that haven't been invented yet. Imagine if drug companies had to use other letters from the alphabet to name their drugs? It is clear to me that there should be warning labels for Sonar. X? may cause extreme drowsiness it you plug in to long. Don't operate a moving vehicle if you have used Sonar after the hour of 1:30am. Let your local music store rep know that your using Sonar so he can prescribe the correct patch as other side effects may occur such as spontaneously bursting into flames because it crashed while you were tracking a really hot chick and it put a limp on your wood.

Other than that, I guess I'll wait and see what happens.

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 04:10:42 (permalink)
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Concern User! Are Roland ending SONAR platform for good?
I think it's very unfortunate if that is true!
Things that I react on are:
 
 
*No new service updates in a very a long time?
*No real hardware controller support anymore or updates?
*Key members at Cakewalk get layoff at Cakewalk?
*No or very little communication between end-users and Cakewalk company/Staff what actually is going on with Cakewalk SONAR platform?
 
 
*************
 
I just want to know if SONAR is a safe investment in the future or if I need to change my investment into another DAW platform instead?
Is SONAR X2 the last SONAR DAW from Cakewalk company? Are Roland pull the plug on Cakewalk?  Very unfortunate if that is true!
 
 
 
 
Thanks in advance!
Best Regards
Freddie

Freddie, I don't think there is reason for concern...
 
I was going post a sarcastic remark about Music Creator Touch being nothing more than the X2a patch applied to Music Creator 6, but I decided to check out the new product (to see if they mentioned anything about Staff View - and no, they didn't).


But I decided to watch the introductory video of Music Creator Touch, when I stumbled upon something fascinating - here's a screenshot - notice anything interesting?  I guess it hints at a couple issues - Roland's commitment to Sonar and whether or not there will be an X2b patch, or maybe just a paid upgrade to X3 (and to think I just upgraded to X2 a week ago...):




Thanks for that info my friend and taken post and concerns seriously. I will check out the video.
 
 
Best Regards
Freddie


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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 04:16:34 (permalink)
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I think you already know the answer and just like to stir up trouble, Freddie. LOL! 
Just kidding... I know you're a good guy.

Cakewalk actually just released a new product based on the SONAR technology... Music Creator Touch http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/MusicCreator/

So... I don't think they're going anywhere just yet. 

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Hi Scott!
I hope you are right! I know my post sounds like trolling thread but I'm actually concern about this, no joke.  
I like to hear it official response about this matters if that is possible from someone at Cakewalk US? 

   
 
Best Regards
Freddie
post edited by Freddie H - 2013/04/25 04:46:19


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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 04:23:21 (permalink)


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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 04:23:48 (permalink)
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Really quite the silly thread, Freddie.

Now go hide under the covers and wait till they tell you it's safe to come out.

Really, we don't need any more conspiracy theories propagated.

Bob Bone

 
I'm sorry if my thread seem silly?
I'm not trying to make conspiracy theories propagated. My question is legit and I'm truly concern.
Still no official response.
post edited by Freddie H - 2013/04/25 04:45:11


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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 04:32:30 (permalink)
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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 04:51:00 (permalink)
  you may roast me, but I believe freddie has some point here: still no word from the officials, only from the end-users. this does not mean the end of Sonar, but it surely is no sign of glory...

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 06:29:44 (permalink)
Excuse me, but why should they?

Name another company that reveals all of its plans/secrets with the general public?

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 07:07:22 (permalink)
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Excuse me, but why should they?

Name another company that reveals all of its plans/secrets with the general public?
I'm not asking for the strategy. I'm asking if they planned to end the platform.
I'm pretty sure if you ask the same question to Steinberg, Apple, AVID, Native Instruments, UAD they will response immediately that that is not their attention at all. Cakewalk has no comment so far.
 
 
Everyone seem very hostile against me here like I'm stupid or something asking these questions? Actually I feeling very sad that everyone joking over my behalf because I ask a simple legit question?
 
You all that criticism me being dumb or what ever might used your own brain cells and ask your self the question, "Why Freddie asking these questions? Can it be that he sit on more information/rumors  that you are all are not aware of being time? But no, just make joke on me...keep up the good job Einstein's!
 
 
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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 07:15:55 (permalink)
+1 on the why would or should they?

As far as any personnel changes at Cakewalk go, who knows but they why those took place?  And why would any company have any obligation to discuss that kind of thing with the general public?

As far as for the rather alarmist method of questioning the continued existence of Cakewalk, this seems a bit similar to someone raising the specter of a run on the bank - sometimes that kind of thing can cause a run on a bank.  

The Cakewalk folks don't seem to have lost their way - if anything, they may be even MORE focused on going through the feature requests and bug reports - to try to deliver a next release that is more feature rich and more bug free.  

Folks have complained when Cakewalk releases something quickly.  That happened with X2a, although X2a addressed something like 250 bugs and enhancements.  Several folks have asked them to take their time in delivering the next release - let's then give them that time - we collectively asked for it.

I am bowing out of this thread and going back to doing the best I can at creating my own music and trying to assist others in creating theirs.

My best to all, Cakewalk and forum folks alike, 

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 07:25:09 (permalink)
Freddie, I do not think you are dumb and whatever concerns you may have are as valid as anyone not having them.  My earlier comment was simply about the thread itself - perhaps your concern could have been (and still could) be expressed differently.

Perhaps Roland would see value in seeing support from the forum for the Cakewalk product and its developers.  Maybe instead of questioning the continued existence of Cakewalk, we could collectively indicate our eagerness for Sonar's continued development.

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 07:34:40 (permalink)
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Bristol_Jonesey


Excuse me, but why should they?

Name another company that reveals all of its plans/secrets with the general public?
I'm not asking for the strategy. I'm asking if they planned to end the platform.
I'm pretty sure if you ask the same question to Steinberg, Apple, AVID, Native Instruments, UAD they will response immediately that that is not their attention at all. Cakewalk has no comment so far.
 
 
Everyone seem very hostile against me here like I'm stupid or something asking these questions? Actually I feeling very sad that everyone joking over my behalf because I ask a simple legit question?
 
You all that criticism me being dumb or what ever might used your own brain cells and ask your self the question, "Why Freddie asking these questions? Can it be that he sit on more information/rumors  that you are all are not aware of being time? But no, just make joke on me...keep up the good job Einstein's!
 
 
Have a great day everyone!

Hi Freddy,
do you think it´s an evidence, that Cake not responded your theory?

If this is there  goal, changing plattforms,I will 
change from PC based recording to harddisk recording, cause Logic did the same..........,
then there is a  plattform change influenca!
Any antidote ?


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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 07:36:05 (permalink)

Andrew from Cakewalk already responded to one of threads like this recently, so it's up to us whether we beleive them or not.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2812457

Rather than being too concerned about the current state, you, or someone else, should start a positive thread asking what we can do to make Sonar more popular and help Cakewalk acquire more new users.

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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 07:53:43 (permalink)
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Freddie, I do not think you are dumb and whatever concerns you may have are as valid as anyone not having them.  My earlier comment was simply about the thread itself - perhaps your concern could have been (and still could) be expressed differently.

Perhaps Roland would see value in seeing support from the forum for the Cakewalk product and its developers.  Maybe instead of questioning the continued existence of Cakewalk, we could collectively indicate our eagerness for Sonar's continued development.

Bob Bone

Don't get me wrong Bob, I really like SONAR X2a Producer. Looking forward to hear what SONAR X3 brings on. X2a is now very stable! *knock on Wood 
 
 
I had very strange stability problems a month back and other long going issues with SONAR X2 BlueScreenDeath etc. 
Something was seriously wrong with my setup?  I decide to reinstall the whole computer from scratch again, Windows 7 x64bit you name it.
I Installed SONAR X2 directly not X1. After that SONAR X2 were like complete new DAW. All my previous bugs I had before are now completely gone + other graphic enhancement that was not displayed correctly before working now in SONAR X2.  And not just that,it reduced the use of CPU too on same project from 50% to 25-30%? I don't know why great anyway!
 
 
SONAR X3, I hope on VST3. A deal breaker for me.
 
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Freddie
 


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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 07:56:08 (permalink)
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Andrew from Cakewalk already responded to one of threads like this recently, so it's up to us whether we beleive them or not.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2812457

Rather than being too concerned about the current state, you, or someone else, should start a positive thread asking what we can do to make Sonar more popular and help Cakewalk acquire more new users.

Thanks for heads up! Always nice to hear!
 
 
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Hey, everything is great. We are just busy at work. We definitely aren't in a basement.

 


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Re:Concern User! Roland ending SONAR platform for good? Very unfortunate if that is true! 2013/04/25 09:03:36 (permalink)
Although I don’t buy the doomsday scenario I do remember when Gibson Guitars bought Opcode Systems. It wasn’t long after that Gibson dropped Vision (a midi sequencer) and Studio Vision (a DAW). I remember it well as I was using those products back then. That is when I switched to Cakewalk.
 
My hope is that Roland fixes the bugs in X2 before changing things around again!
 
Just my two cents.

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