xylyx


You're probably running into the same issue with Live (and Sonar) as many Sonar users encountered trying to use P5 - attempting to bend Live's workflow to the same way you were used to in P5. I pretty much guarantee that if you work through the included lessons in Live (I figure the lessons are included with the Lite version) and give it a little time, then you will soon find yourself getting comfortable with it...I did and the general impression I get from other P5 users that have switched is that it takes a little while to adapt at first.

OK ............... just for kicks I took your advise and fired up "Live" again. (I want to be as fair and optimistic as possible) I read (again) the tutorial lessons.

There is absolutely no way that the "Live" platform is as intuitive as P5. I realize that I am accustomed to the Cake way of doing things, and that I have been using Sonar and P5 for a long time, but I feel the same way about "Live" as I did with FL, quite some time ago.

............ It does not lend itself to the process, without getting in the way all of the time. P5 is so simple in it's design, that it is just too easy to forget about the program and think only about the piece that you are working on.

............ I will admit that if it were not for P5v2, that the program would have never reached it's popularity. The original version mostly sucked.

I think the point is to force oneself to learn Live. It is the de-facto standard in pattern-based production. We know there will be no more P5. So that leaves only the option to learn Live. Unless one wants to eschew a pattern-based paradigm altogether.

I will keep using P5 as it is.I don't see a need for it to be constantly upgraded.I still use the original Acid program once in a while.Never did upgrade that.Upgraded from Cakewalk 3 to Sonar 3 studio though.

Chris in Indy

OK ............... just for kicks I took your advise and fired up "Live" again. (I want to be as fair and optimistic as possible) I read (again) the tutorial lessons.

There is absolutely no way that the "Live" platform is as intuitive as P5. I realize that I am accustomed to the Cake way of doing things, and that I have been using Sonar and P5 for a long time, but I feel the same way about "Live" as I did with FL, quite some time ago.

............ It does not lend itself to the process, without getting in the way all of the time. P5 is so simple in it's design, that it is just too easy to forget about the program and think only about the piece that you are working on.

............ I will admit that if it were not for P5v2, that the program would have never reached it's popularity. The original version mostly sucked.

I guess it comes down to opinion, but I think Live does a good job of remaining intuitive considering all the features it has and does a good job on the workflow front. It will however take at least a week of using it before it will start to 'click'; expecting to get to grips with a full featured host in an hour or two is pretty unlikely. Anyway, if you're happy with P5 as is, then great...I'm not going to try and persuade you to change, as I am neither on Ableton's payroll, nor a fanboy

Just one final thought: I wonder if P5 would have remained as streamlined in it's workflow had Cakewalk given it regular feature updates...it's very difficult to keep adding features to a host without affecting the overall feel or making it appear cluttered (see Sonar and most other major hosts), so I think Ableton has done a good job balancing things with all the added features over the years. It'll also be interesting to see how Studio One does with retaining it's current workflow as more features are added to it...

Its been hard for me to transition from P5 as well!

I know logic pretty well and still haven't used it for any music creation yet but soon that is what I am going to turn to, I love the work flow in it and it doesn't feel way to different than P5 IMO, just a lot more stuff. The piano roll Logic offers is the main reason I really dig the program.

I could never get into Live for some reason, just don't like the interface it offers but than again I feel if you use anything for long enough and get used to it you will eventually like the way it works!

meatbird


I like it the way it is.

Well, you know... I know people that still use Cubase on the Atari ST. There's no shame in liking where you are.

That being said, I've pretty much switched over to SONAR exclusively, and Live for performing onstage. However, if SONAR 8.5 survives my trial by fire, then I'll wave goodbye to Live, too.

I still visit.  I tried to really get into Sonar, but lost motivation in doing so.  It really is not my cup of tea.

cryophonik


So, who's still hanging around here?

..not me. 

OH! you tricked me! arrrrrgh

Digital Aura

mumpcake


Oddly, I get a lot of great ideas when I start in P5, but seem more likely to finish things in Sonar.

soooo...how do you get them out of P5 to finish them in Sonar?

Sometimes I start out in P5, sometimes in Sonar.  For whatever reason, he projects I start in Sonar are more likely to be finished than those I start in P5.

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Rosco

space_cowboy


OF course, that new machine is a blender. 

I hear that's good for chopping up beets (har-har)

Uh...

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