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2015/10/28 17:42:38 (permalink)

[SOLVED] No Waveform Mystery

Hey Everyone,
 
I'm pretty baffled by this.  I'm having a problem where the wave forms in my recorded audio tracks aren't present.  I can play the track back and hear the recorded audio just fine - yet there is no waveform.  Just a straight line and the word "busy" in the upper left hand corner of the clip.
 
I found this in the X3 Documentation.  I followed ALL OF IT to the letter but still no waveform. 
 
Anyone else experience this recently or know of something else to try?  
I've recently upgraded to Windows 10 - if this may be of any use.
 
Thanks
post edited by Mojo3432 - 2015/10/31 13:11:50

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/28 18:40:41 (permalink)
    Wow...Sure is quiet.  No one has any ideas on this one?
    I would truly appreciate any help you could offer.
     
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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/28 19:14:50 (permalink)
    Looks like you deleted the files in the sonar picture cache folder.
    Try temp disabling your virus scanner.
    I assume you are running X3E?

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/28 19:22:06 (permalink)
    I had this happen intermittently since upgrading to Jamaica Plain. The Cakewalk tech said it may be partly caused by the small amount of RAM I have available.
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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 09:53:13 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies.  I'm actually running Sonar Platinum (Jamaican Plain) update and yes...this problem would make you think it's due to lack of RAM but my PC has 32 GB of RAM so I'm pretty sure it isn't from that.
     
    To further muddy the waters - I didn't really use Sonar between the Ipswich update and the Jamaican Plain update as I was out of town for a few weeks.  Plus, I had also upgraded my PC to Windows 10 within a day or so of installing the Ipswich update.  No problems whatsoever prior to this.  
     
    So it may be that I need to start by rolling back my updates to see if either Ipswich or Jamaican Plain are the culprit.  If not, it may be a Windows 10 issue.
     
    Anyone else have any suggestions I could try?

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 09:55:48 (permalink)
    Hmm. I used to get that sometimes, but not since X3.

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 09:55:48 (permalink)
    Hmm. I used to get that sometimes, but not since X3.

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 10:00:49 (permalink)
    Are your asking about X3 or SLPAT - I skipped from 8.5 to SPLAT - so I can't speak to X#, but have you tried the redraw waveform option? 

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 10:04:12 (permalink)
    What driver mode are you running in? Also check if your playback and record timing masters are assigned in preferences | driver settings. Its also possible that your picture cache is full so you could try clearing that.

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 10:11:09 (permalink)
    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] Its also possible that your picture cache is full so you could try clearing that.

    isn't it about time the picture cache was able to manage itself? i.e., when the size used is approaching the max size, automatically start deleting the pics (or a combined filesize group of pics)  starting with the oldest first?

    just a sec

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 10:21:53 (permalink)
    Might make a good feature request. Is FIFO based on creation date the correct way to purge? What about oldest last accessed date?
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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 10:54:44 (permalink)
    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
    What driver mode are you running in? Also check if your playback and record timing masters are assigned in preferences | driver settings. Its also possible that your picture cache is full so you could try clearing that.


    Hey Noel.  Thanks for chiming in.  I actually deleted everything from the picture cache folder.  I did everything that was in this documentation, but it didn't seem to make the slightest difference.
     
    As for my driver mode....I don't mean to sound ignorant, but I'm not quite sure what you mean or how to go about checking it.  Could you please shed some light on that for me?
     
    Thanks for the help.

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 10:58:48 (permalink)
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    Are your asking about X3 or SLPAT - I skipped from 8.5 to SPLAT - so I can't speak to X#, but have you tried the redraw waveform option? 


    Hey Don, I'm currently running Platinum, but have been using Sonar since version 6 and never had this happen before.  And yes....I tried the redraw option as well as clearing the picture cache, but neither helped.

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 11:21:22 (permalink)
    scook
    Might make a good feature request. Is FIFO based on creation date the correct way to purge? What about oldest last accessed date?


    could be, it makes more sense - mine was just the first example that came to mind, proper design will take longer than 30 seconds :)

    just a sec

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 12:17:21 (permalink)
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    Are your asking about X3 or SLPAT - I skipped from 8.5 to SPLAT - so I can't speak to X#, but have you tried the redraw waveform option? 


    Hey Don, I'm currently running Platinum, but have been using Sonar since version 6 and never had this happen before.  And yes....I tried the redraw option as well as clearing the picture cache, but neither helped.


    M:
    I also remember one experience where as I zoomed in and out, the waveform would redraw and then revert to blocks again.  Do you have a second monitor attached?  If so what happens if you place the project in the other monitor?  Sorry if you covered that already.
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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 14:48:28 (permalink)
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    Hey Everyone,
     
    I'm pretty baffled by this.  I'm having a problem where the wave forms in my recorded audio tracks aren't present.  I can play the track back and hear the recorded audio just fine - yet there is no waveform.  Just a straight line and the word "busy" in the upper left hand corner of the clip.
     
    I found this in the X3 Documentation.  I followed ALL OF IT to the letter but still no waveform. 
     
    Anyone else experience this recently or know of something else to try?  
    I've recently upgraded to Windows 10 - if this may be of any use.
     
    Thanks




    Did you check, in track view the VIEW tab above the tracks)?  There's an option called "VIEW-DISPLAY-DISPLAY CLIP CONTENTS.  Make sure that is checked, otherwise the waveforms will not appear even though audio plays.
     
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    post edited by jsg - 2015/10/29 14:58:35
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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/29 20:39:59 (permalink)
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    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] Its also possible that your picture cache is full so you could try clearing that.

    isn't it about time the picture cache was able to manage itself? i.e., when the size used is approaching the max size, automatically start deleting the pics (or a combined filesize group of pics)  starting with the oldest first?


    Cache doesn't work like cookies (ie they just 'expire' after a time period), normally the number of times the file gets accessed as well as last accessed is part of the equation as well.

    In my experience size of cache isn't necessarily the problem, it's generally (not always) the integrity.

    I'd be fairly surprised if some cleanout isn't already happening?
    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/29 20:52:56

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/30 07:15:29 (permalink)
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    Did you check, in track view the VIEW tab above the tracks)?  There's an option called "VIEW-DISPLAY-DISPLAY CLIP CONTENTS.  Make sure that is checked, otherwise the waveforms will not appear even though audio plays.
     
     
     
    I actually haven't checked that yet.  I am at work now, but will check it tonight when I'm home.  Thanks for letting me know about that.  I'll report back and let you know how I made out.
     
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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/30 07:24:01 (permalink)
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    Might make a good feature request. Is FIFO based on creation date the correct way to purge? What about oldest last accessed date?


    your feature request sir http://forum.cakewalk.com/picture-cache-ai-m3308364.aspx#3308364



    just a sec

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/30 16:26:57 (permalink)
    jsg
    Did you check, in track view the VIEW tab above the tracks)?  There's an option called "VIEW-DISPLAY-DISPLAY CLIP CONTENTS.  Make sure that is checked, otherwise the waveforms will not appear even though audio plays.

     
    Hey Jerry.  Well...so much for that.  It's already checked.  No luck.  This is sooooo frustrating.  I just can't figure out why it's doing this.  Thanks for the thought though.

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/30 18:49:41 (permalink)
    I had this happen on one tune I did a while back but it was way before Splat!!
    Hasn't happened since, but I never resolved it either.
    Baffling!

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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/30 19:50:37 (permalink)
    Try changing the screenset..
    Did you disable your virus scanner?
    Are you running X3E?
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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/30 19:59:02 (permalink)
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    Try changing the screenset..
    Did you disable your virus scanner?
    Are you running X3E?




    Mojo3432

    Thanks for the replies.  I'm actually running Sonar Platinum (Jamaican Plain) update and yes...




    Mojo3432

    Hey Don, I'm currently running Platinum,




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    So as to the answer to your question, my guess would be NO ?
    post edited by Richard Cranium - 2015/10/30 20:10:36
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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/30 23:00:58 (permalink)
    Thanks for pasting sig. The great thing about reading these forums on cellphone is you don't get to see sigs they are hidden. Maybe one day somebody would like to fix this but not holding my breath.

    However I do note OP has already mentioned platinum. Other two questions stand.
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    Re: No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/31 11:47:29 (permalink)
    I had the same problem once.  Go into your preference in Cakewalk and make sure under the driver settings that the playback timing master and recording timing master are set correctly.  Apparently this can change on a per-project basis, so it can be fine for one project, but messed up on another.
     
    Good luck!!
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    Re: [UPDATE] No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/31 12:01:05 (permalink)
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    However I do note OP has already mentioned platinum. Other two questions stand.



    Hey Dok.  Yes, sorry...I tried both of your suggestions, but still come up short.  Thanks for your help though.
     
    jude77
    Go into your preference in Cakewalk and make sure under the driver settings that the playback timing master and recording timing master are set correctly.  

     
    I just checked them and they seem to be just fine.  Actually, the playback timing master only has ONE option in the drop down menu (monitors) so there really isn't much to question there.  The recording timing master simply has the available inputs of my Saffire Pro 40 interface listed so all appears to fine there as well.  Thanks for the help though.  I do appreciate it.
    post edited by Mojo3432 - 2015/10/31 12:30:57

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    Re: [UPDATE] No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/31 12:29:03 (permalink)
    OK so I just tried rolling back a couple of updates to Hopkinton (where I KNOW I was still able to see a wave form on my recorded audio tracks) and it still doesn't show up even after doing so.
     
    The only other thing I can think of (and I REALLY don't want to) would be to revert back to Windows 7 as it seems the problem began right after upgrading to Windows 10.  I am hesitant because there is still no guarantee that is the cause of this issue and doing so would be a pain in the rump.
     
    Could anyone else.....or perhaps even one of the bakers.....think of an alternative to try before I get too crazy with downgrading software?  Thanks everyone.
     

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    Re: [UPDATE] No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/31 12:40:00 (permalink)
    move the picture cache to a different drive
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    Re: [UPDATE] No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/31 12:52:58 (permalink)
    Just something to consider...
     
    Is the directory (and files) where your picture cache is located "compressed" using NTFS compression?  If so, you might want to try to set the directory (and files) where your picture cache is located so that it doesn't compress the files.
     
    I suggest this because, in the past, template files would not show if they were "compressed".
     
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    Re: [UPDATE] No Waveform Mystery 2015/10/31 12:56:41 (permalink)
    Hey Scook, OK but does that screw anything up??  
     
    I ask that because the documentation says to delete the files within that folder but NOT to delete the folder itself.  So if I move that folder to a different location, how will Sonar know where to store those files?  I'm not really sure how that works.
     
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