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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/01 10:32:52 (permalink)
Splat quits responding when I try to bounce take lanes to clips on a vocal track.  Anyone else have this problem?  I'm using the latest build, 22.,9.0 BUILD 36 (2016.09) -x64
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/01 10:34:31 (permalink)
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I have Sonar Platinum installed in a "non standard" location (not on the C drive).
 
1) Does this release support loading the update to where I have Sonar currently installed (using CCC)?
 
2) Does this release support my installing Sonar wherever I want to install it (using CCC)?
 
3) What do I need to do to do either 1 or 2 above?
 
thanks
 
Keith
 



1) Yes. This update, when installed manually or via Command Center, will update SONAR in place, even in custom locations.
 
2) Not automatically. You'll need to run the installer in verbose mode. But, as suggested above, once you set the location, future Command Center/unattended installs will pick up the appropriate location.
 
3) If SONAR is already installed how/where you want it, just run the update from Command Center by clicking the "Update" button. You should be able to do it this way from now on. If SONAR is not yet installed, go to Settings in Command Center and enable "Verbose Install." Return to the products page and click "Install" on SONAR. Choose "Advanced" mode and specify your custom directories. When the installation completes, you can uncheck verbose mode. all subsequent updates will use your custom path.




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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/01 10:44:45 (permalink)
But as of this release you can not CHANGE any part of the install, so again we lose install control but with a different twist than last issue (i.e., in release 22.7.... that one would only install to default C:\ paths) .
 
Please give us complete install control BACK!
 
This version (22.9.0.36) of the installer now grays out ALL install location items: it ONLY installs EVERYTHING to where it was before,  not only Shared folders and CW Content (that's how it’s been for a long time - but is also limiting not sure why user can never change that) but also the basic program and VST plug-ins?
 
How did this get so screwed up in last few releases.  For years (since DOS) the  installer for CW and Sonar worked OK (expect I never understood the limiting inability to CHANGE shared folder locations )
 
Before the inevitable drone question:  I ran the install MANUALLY ( I NEVER use the CCC)  so the install was independent of Cakewalk Command Center's use "Verbose" mode (or not) and the Command centers install paths  ( i.e., verbose mode is immaterial to this) .
 
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/01 11:41:10 (permalink)
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This version (22.9.0.36) of the installer now grays out ALL install location items: it ONLY installs EVERYTHING to where it was before,  not only Shared folders and CW Content (that's how it’s been for a long time - but is also limiting not sure why user can never change that) but also the basic program and VST plug-ins?
 


Please read this response from Bill Jackson.

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/01 12:07:17 (permalink)
Been tracking all morning.  
I just went online, installed update, loaded Sonar Project that I was working on pre-update.
Project now pops, clicks, snags, delays and stops.
 
It was all good 20 minutes ago.....now its not. 
 
 
I need to roll back immediately. Is this possible?
 
**Update:
 
I am noticing this on multiple projects.  Also noticing higher spikes.
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/01 14:41:26 (permalink)
Bill Jackson:
 
Thanks for you timely, clear, and thorough reply.
 
Keith
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/01 16:10:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SF_Green 2016/10/04 14:37:08
Power off and reboot your PC and make sure there are no windows updates active. Sometimes after an update the disk cache is full and some people notice temporary issues.
 
DayDay72
Been tracking all morning.  
I just went online, installed update, loaded Sonar Project that I was working on pre-update.
Project now pops, clicks, snags, delays and stops.
 
It was all good 20 minutes ago.....now its not. 
 
 
I need to roll back immediately. Is this possible?
 
**Update:
 
I am noticing this on multiple projects.  Also noticing higher spikes.






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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/01 18:16:17 (permalink)
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The manual installer no longer allows you to change any paths. The VST plugins are always pointing to the wrong directories
 
CORRECTION: This installer actually selects the correct VST paths now (the others didn't in the past), but none of the paths in the installer can be changed (all greyed out)




Any program folders that have been pre-defined during a previous install will be grayed out. This is by design. When you're installing SONAR over an existing install it's basically in "update mode." That way you can't accidentally install SONAR into multiple places on your system.
 
If you want SONAR installed to a different location, you'll need to uninstall, then reinstall using the latest release. During that reinstall, all relevant paths should be customizable. Let me know if you have any questions about that.
 
Thanks! 



YOU MEAN by "NEW design," it was NEVER like that in the "old design" - I've (and I suspect a lot of folks here) have been installing CW & Sonar since DOS. 
 
This is a step backwards, and is akin to MS forcing OS updates, when not wanted/needed, in the guise of protecting us from ourselves.
If a user wants to change basic program path - only an IDIOT would uninstall Sonar (after installing all the PREVIOUS Sonars with their attendant addons, addins, apps, etc.) and have to go back and reinstall one, two , or more OLD (pre-Platinium) Sonars to get an old app item back.
 
I guess I'm back to registry hacks when I need to change things (lie we have to do in some cases, e.g., for Studio Instruments, to get multi samples and other "stuff" off the C drive)
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 07:47:58 (permalink)
New error report.
 
popup UAD Plugins error(below) several times, various situation working with this update. 
 
One or more UAD plug-ins have been disabled.
A UAD device is not responding (code -38).
 
could you please check it?
 
 
 
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 07:51:28 (permalink)
+1 on the Windows download, which has been an unmitigated disaster here! Internet "can't find servers", miscellaneous settings have reverted to factory defaults without my permission, and, worst of all, Sonar is dropping out like crazy on me....grrrrrrrr!
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 10:22:40 (permalink)
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New error report.
 
popup UAD Plugins error(below) several times, various situation working with this update. 
 
One or more UAD plug-ins have been disabled.
A UAD device is not responding (code -38).
 
could you please check it?
 
 
 


 
 
 
Test Update.1
 
When off Plug-in Load Balancing function,
 
UAD Errors not appear.
 
 
 
post edited by StephanKim - 2016/10/02 10:46:38
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 11:03:29 (permalink)
OK I guess UAD isn't compatible with load balancing :) I'll disable it for the next update if we detect UAD.
Plugins must support being run at different buffer sizes for this to work.

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 11:06:12 (permalink)
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Plugins must support being run at different buffer sizes for this to work.




is there any way we can know this, in advance, that a plugin supports different buffer sizes?
post edited by pwalpwal - 2016/10/02 11:27:56

just a sec

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 11:07:13 (permalink)
forum clock is only 9 minutes out today!

just a sec

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 11:07:31 (permalink)
9 minutes for edit, 30 for new post
 

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 11:30:35 (permalink)
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
OK I guess UAD isn't compatible with load balancing :) I'll disable it for the next update if we detect UAD.
Plugins must support being run at different buffer sizes for this to work.




Just thinking out loud but this might affect VirusTI plug-in too?

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 12:52:46 (permalink)
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
OK I guess UAD isn't compatible with load balancing :) I'll disable it for the next update if we detect UAD.
Plugins must support being run at different buffer sizes for this to work.


 
Sounds good!
 
yeah. as I know, UAD do not need that function...maybe
 
Plug-in Load Balancing shows amazing performance improvement.
too sad.. can't wait next update.
 
 
 
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 19:02:45 (permalink)
Load balancing is great.
 
Full Screen mode might be the hidden gem, long overdue but very much appreciated. 
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 22:58:50 (permalink)
So has nobody tried quick group freeze? Its a macro to freeze multiple tracks in one go.
It was a highly requested feature!
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/02 23:57:22 (permalink)
Hi Noel

Quick group freeze is great and appreciated , i tried it and it works .

It would be amazing though if the whole " freeze process " for just 1 track could some how be sped up ,for heavy tracks , I think this would be a lot more valuable .

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 02:53:41 (permalink)
You mean the time it takes to render?

The "process" of freezing a track (pne click on the snowflake) couldn't really be any simpler!?!?

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 03:09:43 (permalink)
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You mean the time it takes to render?


If possible !
The freeze button is a valuable tool on large projects even with new computers , being able to press the snowflake on heavy tracks and have the process finish in half the current time or even faster , would be extremely valuable . And then combined with group freeze , priceless !

I do want to say Thankyou to Noel and all the cakewalk staff for all there hard work with the rolling updates , they are are truly fantastic and help immensely with my work flow. (:

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 04:06:41 (permalink)
Although this may be suited in features , I just want to add one last thing to my suggestions for a faster freeze .

Why can't each track have a POWER button, similar to the freeze button functionality ,but instead when the POWER button is enabled it just disconnects / disables the track from the project completely.
( Leave everything the way it is and just switch it off - The track is now greyed out and unusable - but you also have all that CPU back from that track )
At the same time platinum automatically saves that track in a hidden folder inside the current project folder ( similar to a project save , but just a track save ) and then when you re-enable the POWER button platinum grabs that track save and opens it , all automatically .

This would be heaps faster than the freeze button especially on heavy tracks , and if you also added Group Power button ! Then we could switch off multiple tracks at once fast and switch them all back on fast , and not have to worry about bouncing algorithms etc etc until that stage of the project .

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 07:45:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby taccess 2016/10/03 20:04:46
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Although this may be suited in features , I just want to add one last thing to my suggestions for a faster freeze .

Why can't each track have a POWER button, similar to the freeze button functionality ,but instead when the POWER button is enabled it just disconnects / disables the track from the project completely.
( Leave everything the way it is and just switch it off - The track is now greyed out and unusable - but you also have all that CPU back from that track )
At the same time platinum automatically saves that track in a hidden folder inside the current project folder ( similar to a project save , but just a track save ) and then when you re-enable the POWER button platinum grabs that track save and opens it , all automatically .

This would be heaps faster than the freeze button especially on heavy tracks , and if you also added Group Power button ! Then we could switch off multiple tracks at once fast and switch them all back on fast , and not have to worry about bouncing algorithms etc etc until that stage of the project .



 
Won't the archive button do most of what you require?

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 08:05:09 (permalink)
I think you are talking about the Archive function which is already available :)

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 13:31:14 (permalink)
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After doing all the updates from Command Center, I go and check Melodyne and its version is 4.04.004.  So has Melodyne 4.1 been released?  If so, will the update be coming through the Command Center?


I saw the 2016.09 tweet about melodyne 4.1, but it seems to have been deleted. Was it announced prematurely? I'm really hoping there are major melodyne bug fixes coming. 
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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 19:43:08 (permalink)



 
Won't the archive button do most of what you require?




Ahh Yeahh it does exactly what i require , i just loaded a 200 track project and CTRL clicked Archive button on 2 big track folders and bang the cpu dropped from 60% to 35% and i from what i can see i can still midi edit and who knows what else , even better than my idea . FANTASTIC STUFF !!!!!THANKYOUuuuuuuuuuuuu

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 19:43:09 (permalink)



 
Won't the archive button do most of what you require?




Ahh Yeahh it does exactly what i require , i just loaded a 200 track project and CTRL clicked Archive button on 2 big track folders and bang the cpu dropped from 60% to 35% and i from what i can see i can still midi edit and who knows what else , even better than my idea . FANTASTIC STUFF !!!!!THANKYOUuuuuuuuuuuuu

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 19:55:59 (permalink)
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Although this may be suited in features , I just want to add one last thing to my suggestions for a faster freeze .

Why can't each track have a POWER button, similar to the freeze button functionality ,but instead when the POWER button is enabled it just disconnects / disables the track from the project completely.
( Leave everything the way it is and just switch it off - The track is now greyed out and unusable - but you also have all that CPU back from that track ) 
At the same time platinum automatically saves that track in a hidden folder inside the current project folder ( similar to a project save , but just a track save ) and then when you re-enable the POWER button platinum grabs that track save and opens it , all automatically .

This would be heaps faster than the freeze button especially on heavy tracks , and if you also added Group Power button ! Then we could switch off multiple tracks at once fast and switch them all back on fast , and not have to worry about bouncing algorithms etc etc until that stage of the project .



jb101
 
Won't the archive button do most of what you require?
 

 
taccess
 
Ahh Yeahh it does exactly what i require , i just loaded a 200 track project and CTRL clicked Archive button on 2 big track folders and bang the cpu dropped from 60% to 35% and i from what i can see i can still midi edit and who knows what else , even better than my idea . FANTASTIC STUFF !!!!!THANKYOUuuuuuuuuuuuu




You're welcome.  Glad it helped.
 
The manual is a great thing..

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Re: SONAR 2016.09 Update Now Available 2016/10/03 20:22:57 (permalink)
chuckebaby
 
have either one of you tried sending in a crash dump to Cakewalk ?
or what does this message say ? have you looked in event viewer ?

have both of you tried Re personalizing Sonar ?
Hold down control and start Sonar.
 
you also might be experiencing a plug in problem. try opening in safe mode.
Hold down Shift and open Sonar.




Just sent in an problem report along with crash dumps. No errors were detected with plugins when i started Sonar Pro. Would try the other things you suggested, but I rolled back two updates to a working version cause I have a few things that I am working on. Will keep your suggestions in mind for the future. Thanks!
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