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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/30 21:20:18
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ORIGINAL: kreeper_6
No problems here. Are you a NOOB?
Soooo... NOOBs are the only one who have problems? Or is it that since you have no problems no other problems are the fault of Sonar? Interesting logic.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/30 21:24:56
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ORIGINAL: DaneStewart
The original poster is clearly not a noob.
The specific exact examples of behavior he describes point fairly strongly to software problems (although HW component compatibility issues always play a part)
I hate to sound like a bastard.......BUT I AM ONE!!!!!
I ALWAYS let you guys, the early adopters, hash out the bugs BEFORE I touch it.
I didn't move to PE7 until it was at 7.0.2 level...and it's been just fine.
I did the same with PE6 - not moving in until it was 6.2.4 or was it 6.4.2 ... whichever.
So, I guess what I'm saying is: THANK YOU to all who jump right in, get all the headaches, and help the developers make the corrections. I really do appreciate you.
...I just don't have the time for buggy-bugs.
I'm with you!
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/30 21:45:51
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I was disappointed when I started seeing problems when I 1st got SONAR 8. The thing that irritated me the most was the Arm/Unarm track having a sluggish response. After all the versions of SONAR (and I bought and have been around since SONAR XL), I expected basic operation of the app to be working right right out of the box. As a matter of fact. I was really upset saying "how can a professional software app be performing this poorly so late into versions developed!" I also feel let down that a number of patches (such as the Ballad Piano and Real Fingered Bass patches) of Dimension Pro have a problem distorting audio when playing at 96/24, and a video I saw said this soft synth was meant to be a go to synth, yet it has problems playing at the commonly sought after quality 96/24 sample rate bit depth. I discovered the issue has been reported, but I haven't seen a fix or explanation yet. All but 1 of my major concerns was fixed with the 8.0.1 patch. I really am fond of SONAR, and I like the GUI better than any other DAW software I have seen to date. Also, I only do this music making stuff as a hobby. The disappointments are part of what is prone to be the case with software. Bugs will be lurking. It's great that Cakewalk jumps right on fixing thesignificant problems in a timely fashion, and I really am glad to see that. All software will have bugs. I just thought it is unlikely to see bugs with basic features and commonly used features. I don't plan on leaving SONAR, because usually Cakewalk fixes major problems with commonly used features, but I think it would be a good idea for me to find an alternative DAW software to use until the new versons of SONAR are made more stable and\or bug free.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2008/10/30 21:55:23
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/30 22:09:11
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Okay there have been some fair comments made in this and other posts, Sonar 8 is not quite there yet.
But common, Creynolds has to be a troll, you have had Cakewalk products since 2.5 and yet you have only ever posted 15 times, suspicious. Oh and off those 15 posts 14 have been about how useless SOnar 8 is.
How much are Steinberg/Digidesign paying you?
For the record, the new features in Sonar are pretty good, but for me the killer is my system has never been so stable nor run at such low latencies, and I am running a P4 on XP3, i have read others with Quadcore and Vista that are getting even more benefits. So this app has improved itself accross two operating systems. Hmm that seems a good thing.
If your genuine I am sorry that it does not sit well with your set up, but maybe try tweaking a few things first eh.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/30 23:55:45
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I agree with the OP - S8 was not ready. I am reloading my DAW now to try to get a workable setup. After reading this thread I am further convinced that this forum is the worst DAW support forum around. It is rife with Cakewalk evangelists and toadys. The insinuation that anyone having trouble with the holy Cake product must be a troll or a noob is pathetic. <shaking head> I can hardly believe how just amature so many posters are around here. I just bought Cubase 4 and am going to give that a try. I'll sign off and let you guys throw crap at me - have fun.
post edited by CassidyGT - 2008/10/31 00:00:38
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 00:26:21
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I agree with the OP - S8 was not ready. I am reloading my DAW now to try to get a workable setup.
After reading this thread I am further convinced that this forum is the worst DAW support forum around. It is rife with Cakewalk evangelists and toadys. The insinuation that anyone having trouble with the holy Cake product must be a troll or a noob is pathetic. <shaking head> I can hardly believe how just amature so many posters are around here. I just bought Cubase 4 and am going to give that a try. I'll sign off and let you guys throw crap at me - have fun.
I read your post at gear sluts nice of you to take your troubles to the neighbors. What you have to understand is that the product works. This isn't speculation or wishful thinking it is fact. What you have is a setup that is not working for you. It can not be Sonar that is the cause because it would be the same for all other users. What is really odd in your posting is the bashing with out any explaining what is the problem. What is not working or even a list of your system specs. Did you read the how to get help here sticky? The notion that calling us armatures will some how fix you problems escapes me. You come here not to solve you problem but simply to rant about the product and this forum for liking it. Sort of a waste of your valuable time don't you think? I wonder if you were to actually go to a forum any forum and rant about the product of that forum and the forum members would you think the response would be cheery? It has been my experience here through the years that when a problem is posed by a poster that they are having with Sonar it has been solved. No single member is so knowledgeable that he/she can fix every problem. However taken as a whole the forum has a great track record in finding solutions to nearly every problem that has come our way. However you wont get this from us because first you are insulting and talking behind our backs to others and you don't tell us what is your problem. Not the best way to get things fixed. You should reconsider your approach.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 00:32:32
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ORIGINAL: kreeper_6
No problems here. Are you a NOOB?
THAT was uncalled for. Did you even read his post?? Just betcha he has a ton more professional experience than you will ever have. Creynolds, I didn't see your audio interface listed, what do you use? BTW, S8 is working great here on my old P4/XP/Lynx 2A. New Q6600 rig coming tomorrrow, though. What adventures in audio await me? Sighhh.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 00:33:42
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retracted - I had things to say about this version but I decided to keep them to myself until the heat dies down and I can think clearly.
post edited by krizrox - 2008/11/03 13:47:53
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 00:40:14
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I haven't been around as long as some of you (obviously) but starting with V3 to date, this upgrade almost wins the worst one so far award. V6 was pretty bad (for me) but this one is actually unusable in it's current state. I was forced back to V7 in order to keep running business. I'm really happy for those of you who have nothing to complain about. If V8 is working great for you then I salute you. I can tell there was work put into it - I don't think this was a plot to destroy us. I just think it wasn't given enough time and was sent to market too quickly.
There were too many "obviously broke" things about V8 right out of the box. I've got three different programs on my machine right now. V7, V8 and Samplitude. Two of these programs work pretty well - good enough to run business. V8 isn't working well enough to run business with. I can't use it at all the way it is. So now I'm sitting here wondering what the hell to do about it. Wait and hope for the best?
I may actually call TS tomorrow just for the helluvit and put the pressure on them to resolve this. If they can't then I may ask for a refund. That should be an interesting conversation. If enough people ask for their money back I guarantee you something will get resolved.
Actually, I'm glad people are coming forward to speak up about this. I was worried it was just me or I was doing something wrong. Obviously that ain't the case - which is good to know. At least that sort of helps in the troubleshooting mode. It may actually turn out that those of us who are having so much difficulty should just accept the fact that this program isn't "the one" and we need to look elsewhere. There's a lot to like about Sonar but if you can't get work done with it then you need to find a better tool. That's the way I see it. Anyway, I just got done running a session with V7. Frankly, it ran great. Aside from the fact I can't run in multi-processor mode (and it motorboats or crashes every now and then) it actually works pretty well.  I'm also back trying to relearn Samplitude also but I gotta tell ya, Sonar has a better GUI by a long shot and is more intuitive to use. If Sonar had Sam's engine stability, you'd have a winner I think.
Good luck guys. Hope they get it all resolved soon.
Its one thing to find a problem and report it or ask for help here its quite another to bash the product and the forum for not bowing down and agreeing with the premise. Funny there are threads here that ask for bugs and they have been well populated. If we are so blind to the facts why are we so willing to have bugs listed?
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 00:41:54
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ORIGINAL: John
I agree with the OP - S8 was not ready. I am reloading my DAW now to try to get a workable setup.
After reading this thread I am further convinced that this forum is the worst DAW support forum around. It is rife with Cakewalk evangelists and toadys. The insinuation that anyone having trouble with the holy Cake product must be a troll or a noob is pathetic. <shaking head> I can hardly believe how just amature so many posters are around here. I just bought Cubase 4 and am going to give that a try. I'll sign off and let you guys throw crap at me - have fun.
I read your post at gear sluts nice of you to take your troubles to the neighbors. What you have to understand is that the product works. This isn't speculation or wishful thinking it is fact. What you have is a setup that is not working for you. It can not be Sonar that is the cause because it would be the same for all other users. What is really odd in your posting is the bashing with out any explaining what is the problem. What is not working or even a list of your system specs. Did you read the how to get help here sticky?
The notion that calling us armatures will some how fix you problems escapes me. You come here not to solve you problem but simply to rant about the product and this forum for liking it. Sort of a waste of your valuable time don't you think? I wonder if you were to actually go to a forum any forum and rant about the product of that forum and the forum members would you think the response would be cheery?
It has been my experience here through the years that when a problem is posed by a poster that they are having with Sonar it has been solved. No single member is so knowledgeable that he/she can fix every problem. However taken as a whole the forum has a great track record in finding solutions to nearly every problem that has come our way.
However you wont get this from us because first you are insulting and talking behind our backs to others and you don't tell us what is your problem. Not the best way to get things fixed.
You should reconsider your approach.
My approach is to go to another DAW. I have been with Sonar since V4 and frankly I am tired of Cake's amature hour.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 00:47:51
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You should reconsider your approach. Such has been suggested to you too, John. I happen to agree with much of your post, though. However Creynolds, putting semantics aside, has been called both a NOOB and a troll after posting here. If taken at face value his DAW has been rendered useless by S8 and he's enitled to spout off about it. IMO. The Bakers, much to their credit, allow this. I had a hell of a time with S6 after upgrading with every release since PA8. John, sometimes it IS the app! Can you say 6.2.1?? -Ken
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 00:55:31
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My approach is to go to another DAW. I have been with Sonar since V4 and frankly I am tired of Cake's amature hour.
Without amateurs none of the DAW makers could stay in business! Nor is there such a thing as a professional DAW. They are simply DAWs. It really doesn't matter who uses them except that it seems that the amateurs have it all over you because they seem to get it working.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 01:03:15
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Such has been suggested to you too, John. I happen to agree with much of your post, though.
However Creynolds, putting semantics aside, has been called both a NOOB and a troll after posting here. If taken at face value his DAW has been rendered useless by S8 and he's enitled to spout off about it. IMO. The Bakers, much to their credit, allow this.
I had a hell of a time with S6 after upgrading with every release since PA8. John, sometimes it IS the app! Can you say 6.2.1??
-Ken
I have my detractors as do many that speak their mind here. I don't think you or any one can say any given version is bad because you had problems with it. The truth is others didn't. Therefore it can't be the product in and of itself. If anyone has not had a problem with any DAW they have used over a long period of time I would like to meet them. There are no perfect DAWs or computers or sound cards or any of the tons of things that go into making a DAW. All we can do is help each other in finding solutions. Attacking us and the product is counter productive.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 01:11:12
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creynolds, 1333MHz FSB/12MB L2 Cache
4GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR 1066MHz (2x2GB) Make sure you have the bios memory settings at the 1066 speed or you may have problems when pushing the system under Sonar. Just a suggestion.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 01:39:18
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Therefore it can't be the product in and of itself. Well of course it can. If nothing else changed on a given system (as was the case with mine, for example) and that system starts crashing after installing new SW, it's the freaking SW that caused the problems. It has to be. I'd wager that Cakewalk technical support folks know that some releases are better (work on a wide varety of systems with relatively few issues) than others. Developers are people too, and sometimes they don't get it right. This is fact. After the initial, near-catastrophic installation of S6 and limping and motorboating along through 3(!) patches, things got much better on my system when S7 came along. If S6 was a "good" release, then why did it require 3 patches? Remember, the Bakers determined that it needed three patches, not me. In this case, S8 is working fine on my rig, even better after the patch. But there is no way I'm going to open up a dialog with someone who is having problems with S8 by suggesting that the problem is theirs, and not SONAR's. I will say that to rant on forums with no intention of finding a solution, CassidyGT, is a fine example of amateurishness. Good luck with that on Steiny's forum.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES - I REQUEST A REFUND***
2008/10/31 01:56:11
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audio engine is more efficient on my aging machine than sonar 6PE . I'm beginning to see a pattern here. It seems that with most new releases the people having most problems are those with powerful new machines while us poor folks with the old faithfuls keep bumbling along OK! Do these folks have higher expectations from their all singing machines?
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 01:59:01
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I usually don't have the time or energy to spend in the forums but here goes. I'm a professional user of Sonar and have been a big fan for years. In a world that is dominated by Protools, I've made quite a few converts already in Nashville. But folks it would be ok to release software to "play with" if you didn't have to use it for your primary source of income but when a company releases software that isn't ready.....and there is no way Cake didn't know this wasn't ready. It dissapoints me to the core. I can't afford to shut my studio down to screw around with these kind of bugs. I need a pro software company that understands this. Is this the way of the future with Roland... amature night? Please assure me this won't happen again and that Cakewalk intends to become the pro standard that it has the potential to be.
I am back to 7.02 and back to work. I won't even consider installing this until a few updates have been released hopefully restoring my confidence.
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post edited by Marketing [Cakewalk] - 2008/10/31 10:31:09
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 02:00:52
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ORIGINAL: vintagevibe
ORIGINAL: kreeper_6
No problems here. Are you a NOOB?
Soooo... NOOBs are the only one who have problems? Or is it that since you have no problems no other problems are the fault of Sonar? Interesting logic.
I've been using Sonar since v2.0 and have upgraded every year straining the crap out of each new version. I have been through 4 computers since then and NEVER had a single problem with any version of Sonar EVER! They post bug fixes quicker than you can take a SH*T and people still complain, that's what dumb people do. He took the risk, now he can deal with it and LEARN to handle his SH*T People! I must have the best of luck or I am just GENIUS...What professional thinks he can just install something and go online immediately. Doesn't sound like a pro to me?
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 02:17:35
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I have to accept that most cakewalk users are novices having fun in their bedrooms. How condescending can you possibly be? Novices having fun? What a load of crap you're passing out. 
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 02:23:29
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This is first time i see people get pissed off that much. Lucky i didn't upgraded. Sonar 7.02 works great
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 02:25:31
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Again.... I'm so sorry for the large font post.
I will stay out of here... and avoid any future problems. I shouldn't react so strongly.... it just that in the past Cakewalk has been real good about releasing pretty bug free software and I was pissed about installing an "upgrade" that "downgraded" my work flow. Sorry guys. I'm out... I didn't realize this was strictly a "fan" club. I call cakewalk.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 02:27:14
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this thread is deep
and harsh
i am still taking it in
From Now On Call Me Conquistador!
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 02:32:48
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Hi Doug-
This isn't a "fan club", IME -- lots of divergent opinions/experiences here -- but neither is it a support forum. It's just peer-to-peer, Users trying to help each other out. Calling Cakewalk TS sounds like a good idea.
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2008/10/31 02:36:09
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I didn't realize this was strictly a "fan" club. I call cakewalk.
Take care, You say you are sorry then you say this above. I and every one that has been here more then a day know that we are as hard on CW as users can get. What we don't engage in is bashing CW or each other. We find ways to get CW to add or fix address problems yet we do it with out attacking them. It works a lot better to be thoughtful in what you post and how you post it. Again you say its not working for you. That its downgraded you system yet you give no examples or system specs. Your post is nothing but a rant with a black hole at the end. Maybe its time you stopped using that Realtek sound chip and got a real interface.
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 02:40:15
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How condescending can you possibly be?
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2008/10/31 02:45:51
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Thanks for the 5 star advice John. Do you really think the problem may be with my sound chip? I have a real high quality sound blaster...?
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2008/10/31 02:47:58
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Sorry John... that was my attempt at comedy.
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2008/10/31 02:48:23
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I can hardly believe how just amature so many posters are around here. Amateur posters that spell like pro's...  What gets me is the amount of so called pro's in this industry that are reliant on a mission critical app. go out and get stung on the early adoption trip. Blimey even folk in a humble office look into the viability of upgrading even a word-processing package and evaluate in real terms any benefits of upgrading. They look into any likely costs of perhaps having to upgrade hardware in order to accommodate any new application as well as additional training costs and changes in workflow that are likely to occur. But here we have so called pro's that state they need a working system (which involves far more than just the chosen software package) gaily abandon themselves to a 64 bit OS without even checking that what they currently use will still run on it, and expect a new to market package to deliver out of the box and immediately replace a workflow that may have been successfully employed over a number of years. If your livelihood really depended on it wouldn't you go through a period of appraisal before burning your bridges? While there may be issues with the new release I'm certainly looking with more alarm at some of the folk here that claim to be professionals that don't seem to have any fundamental practices in place themselves. Now that's what I'd call a shambles, and if you worked for any company that I run you'd be shown the door by the end of the week.
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
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Susan G
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 02:54:05
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Hi Doug- So you've just been playin' with us, right?  I knew a John Holmquist -- any relation? He was a big kidder, too! -Susan
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RE: ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?***
2008/10/31 02:54:41
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I have to accept that most cakewalk users are novices having fun in their bedrooms. I'm actually a professional, having fun in my bedroom.
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