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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 10:10:02
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Thank you Noel. Some good insights, and I'm currently seeing the results of them in action. As an aside to the mentioned Intel co-operation for newer CPU's I'm seeing good improvements over S7 here on a modest dual core AMD based machine with much greater robustness and stability too. I've mentioned it before in terms of Software maintenance that whatever point name you give it's been pretty good value for me on a 2 year upgrade/update/maintenance cycle yielding a very low cost of ownership for Sonar users on the same cycle along with genuine performance and stability improvements over the same time period. So...it's well done from me!!!... 
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 10:28:32
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Cool. Right the work we did with Intel definitely pays off for AMD users as well. There are many similarities in both the Intel and AMD processor architectures, at least with regard to the kinds of things we tweaked.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 11:00:10
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Auto Priority Inversion Detection
This feature might also be aptly named the motorboat cop. Yay! Good one, Noel! The plug-in manager now makes an additional per-plug-in property available called Always suspend on Play. This one got me very excited, until I remembered that the biggest offender is not a VST: the Sonitus Delay. Async processing for VST opcodes
Another good one! One of the first things I noticed when running 8.5 is that I can now open most soft synths' UIs during playback without everything coming to a screetching halt. I, for one, appreciate these kinds of enhancements. Thank you, Noel and CW team for remembering the importance of optimization and small usability enhancements. And thanks for feeding us techies a few crumbs here and there. I, for one, appreciate that kind of information. Now, if you could just convince the Sonitus Delay that yesterday's echoes are no longer needed for today's playback, I'll construct a shrine in your honor.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 11:23:20
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In reading the "fine print" I am impressed by how deep the logic and the thinking has to go in order to get something done. This is why I pay my fee to CW for the use of this program. I find that this sort of thing is best left to the professionals that can understand and identify just what has to be dine. Outstanding work Noel. 8.5 is another winner from CW!
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 11:26:30
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Thanks, Noel!
I did notice better performance and less quirks with 8.5 as soon as I upgraded, especially with UAD plugins. The Geeky stuff just explained why. For us tech heads, this is a must know. Thanks for the precise explanations, especially the mixing of VST and DX plugs in the same bin, which was giving me problems in older versions and slower computers from the past. I wish I knew this before!
Keep up the great development!
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 11:43:58
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phenomenal rundown. love it love it. also, thanks for that great deal on Guitar Rig 4. what a sonic monster! and how smooth it runs in Sonar 8.51 x64. so dreamy
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 12:30:33
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Just to say that it would now appear that my Arturia synths now seem to work much smoother. Thank you
Still have not heard for CS about Guitar rig 4 then its is ONLY four working days since I sent them a missive.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 12:57:51
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wetdentist
phenomenal rundown. love it love it. also, thanks for that great deal on Guitar Rig 4. what a sonic monster! and how smooth it runs in Sonar 8.51 x64. so dreamy
Amen to that!! I took advantage of that deal and I'm really glad I did. Best amp simulator out there, IMHO.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 13:00:47
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Hi bitflipper,
I have some good news for you. The Sonitus delay issue was also fixed in 8.5. Bob Damiano fixed that one way back in March. Echoes of yesterday are no longer an issue.
Thanks for reminding me - I'll add it to the fine print.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 13:05:45
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bitflipper's not around so i'll pass the message on.
He's busy building a shrine
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 13:32:06
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Sweet post ! Thanks Mr. B. 
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 13:34:58
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strikinglyhandsome1
bitflipper's not around so i'll pass the message on.
He's busy building a shrine
:-D
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 17:20:10
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Wow! I was sitting on the fence here as far as upgrading to 8.5 but now it seems inevitable. I just need to decide what 64 bit platform to get. I think I'm going to wait til Windows 7 ships so that I don't have to deal with those issues. This kind of transparency is unparalleled and truly appreciated.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 17:45:26
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Hi bitflipper, I have some good news for you. The Sonitus delay issue was also fixed in 8.5. Bob Damiano fixed that one way back in March. Echoes of yesterday are no longer an issue. Thanks for reminding me - I'll add it to the fine print. Tell Bob he's MADE MY DAY!
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 18:02:08
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/07 18:05:52
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Hahaha!
That's just priceless :-D
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/08 03:30:41
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/08 04:16:04
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Noel:
I was waiting for this post.
It's very much appreciated, and just nice to know these details!
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/10 00:50:46
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Thank you for the information! This makes my decision whether to upgrade much easier. And as I just had a bad experience with a competitor's LE product, it makes me even happier about the transparency of Cakewalk.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/11 04:28:29
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Hi Noel, my friend! =)
Sir, can you please share more indepth info about SONAR and its technology...
How & why example: How 64bit and how bitbridge technology actually work down to core base?
In depth Tech-Questions.
Q1: Do you use kernel calls directly to the API?
Q2: What languange do you all use programming SONAR and all plugins? C++, Microsoft visual basic?
Q3: Are you using any core-lines that you have got driectly from Microsoft or Intel, that benefit optimizing for SONAR 8.5 under those system?
Q4: 64bit and how bitbridge 32bit-->64bit technology actually works down to core base? Calls and so on?
Thanks for this outstanding Thread, Sir!
Best Regards
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/11 22:14:49
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Hey Freddie:
That might be top secret info you're requesting man.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/12 06:51:18
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Great post, Noel! Thank you for your detailed info! Always appreciated to see under the skin of Sonar and the hard work you guys have invested!
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/16 12:43:17
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great post.....
8.5 is the best
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/17 17:41:26
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To ease the anxiety for the next release I will let you in on a secret - the next product release will be called: SONAR 1C21B83D-EDCE-41b7-BBEF-31F912E88B1D. We think that a 128 bit version number will dispel all ambiguity the next time around. Well, I was in a quandary as to what to do, because 8.5 totally messed up my only-update on odd-release policy. Unfortunately, the next release 1C21B83D-EDCE-41b7-BBEF-31F912E88B1D is also odd, so that doesn't help. But this thread sure does. I'll be planning to get 8.5 when I build my Win 7 x64 machine.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/18 08:41:04
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File a problem report - thats an easy one to fix
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/10/18 16:43:59
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omg the shrine is awesome.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/11/11 13:23:14
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craigsound
Thanks Noel.
Great Info, that just put me over the edge, will be updating to 8.5 first thing in the morning, Thanks
Ditto that...I ordered yesterday afternoon after having a look at this.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/11/11 13:58:44
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Noel,
I ordered 8.5 yesterday and am *very* interested in the Matrix Grid. Will that pull in audio from outside of the current project on the fly, and if so, how does it match to the tempo? Should audio files already be rex or acid with tempo mapping in them?
Thanks!
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/11/12 10:52:37
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Hello,
Yes you can drag in audio from outside the project via the Media Browser or from Windows Explorer itself. Audio that is imported this way is stored internally on a hidden matrix track which the matrix uses to reference these clips. In SONAR 8.0.1 if you want something to loop the clip should be acidized so that it can match tempo. In the upcoming update there are many enhancements to the matrix, one of which is a new "import all audio as grooveclips" option. When checked it allows imported audio to be automatically acidized. So if you drag in a standard wave it will convert it to a groove clip internally and stretch it to the project tempo.
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Re:SONAR 8.5: The Fine Print
2009/11/12 14:13:26
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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Hello,
Yes you can drag in audio from outside the project via the Media Browser or from Windows Explorer itself. Audio that is imported this way is stored internally on a hidden matrix track which the matrix uses to reference these clips. In SONAR 8.0.1 if you want something to loop the clip should be acidized so that it can match tempo. In the upcoming update there are many enhancements to the matrix, one of which is a new "import all audio as grooveclips" option. When checked it allows imported audio to be automatically acidized. So if you drag in a standard wave it will convert it to a groove clip internally and stretch it to the project tempo.
Noel, SHOUTS and APPLAUSE!!!!! That is so incredibly AWESOME! I can't tell you how cool that is! I used to acidize tracks all the time and it's really, really easy...Now when you say upcoming update...do you mean one we don't even see yet...after the Matrix update that I've seen out there now right?...
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