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2011/08/08 01:02:27 (permalink)

SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!!

I have Sonar X1 Producer and im running it on a HP Pavilion Elite (64-bit) with Windows 7 with an AMD Phenom II X6 1045T Processor (2.70 GHz) and 8 GB of RAM. I use an M-Audio Producer USB microphone to record my vocals and use an M-Audio Micro USB as a Audio Interface. I recently downloaded the program and installed it. The WDM/KS driver is the only that i can use. It plays back my recordings and instrumentals perfectly without dropouts or it popping. But when i try and record its a whole different story. Right when i start to record the Disk Load indicator turns a slight red. The CPU meters jump around a little bit but never peak. It will go for about 40 or 45 seconds on average and will suddenly stop itself. Then at the top of the window it says "Not Responding" and then the program wont come back. I have to go to task manager and end task. Then on top of that it wont let me open previous songs that i have saved. It'll just keep loading and loading and eventually i have to go to task manager and end task. SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!
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    John
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 01:20:26 (permalink)
    It is most likely the USB mic.  Because you have a good audio interface in the M-Audio unit I would strongly recommend in dumping the USB mic and getting a good regular mic that you can plug into your M-Audio unit.

    We have had lots of people here complain about their USB mics. They really are not good for the kind of recording you are doing. They're better used with Windows sound recorder. Not a real DAW.

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 01:24:13 (permalink)
    Would it still work if i got a 4 Track USB mixer and used a regular mic?
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 02:02:00 (permalink)
    Probably but your USB mixer becomes another audio interface and you would be unlikely to use it together with your M-Audio because of timing/clock issues.

    I'm not familiar with the M-audio micro USB but is there any reason you can't plug a mic into that?
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 02:12:19 (permalink)
    The micro USB has only 1 output for a 1/8th headphone jack and an input for a 1/8th microphone jack
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 02:15:06 (permalink)
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    Would it still work if i got a 4 Track USB mixer and used a regular mic?


    That would work.

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 02:28:40 (permalink)
    But the reason im so confused is because i used this same equipment on a 2002 gateway computer. I thought since i got a brand new computer it would work better.
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 03:27:47 (permalink)
    How did you use it? With what did you record with? You sure didn't use Sonar X1.

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 04:10:32 (permalink)
    Could it be that the drivers don't play nice with 64-bit Windows?

    Anyway, I use USB mics for recording narration while on the road, and they work long as you're willing to accept that most don't offer ASIO, use "lowest common denominator" interfacing, and typically have lots of latency. They're really more intended for podcasts and that sort of application.
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 05:33:14 (permalink)
    The problems occur due to the fact that you are using several gadgets simultaneously that are acting as soundcards. That leads to timing (and other) problems. USB mics are very problematic in multitracking.

    A simple external USB soundcard (audio interface) with phantom power and MIDI, with  as many inputs as you need at any one time is the best way to go. I doubt if you need a mixer?

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 13:03:35 (permalink)
    @John: I would record with the USB mic and play it back thru the Micro USB. I was using Sonar 7 Producer edition when i had the old computer. I thought it would work the same since it didnt mess up on that computer. Also, When i bought this new computer i used the same equipment and i installed Sonar 7 Producer it still had problems similar to the problems i have with Sonar X1 Producer. Could it be that Sonar X1 has different requirements than Sonar 7?

    @Anderton: Is ASIO the best driver to use?

    @Kalle: Well the mixer i was looking at is an Alesis 4 channel mixer. It has phantom power and 2 XLR inputs and its USB powered. Do you think that would work just as good as the audio interface your talking about? Also, i have used this same mixer on my old 2002 gateway computer and it would playback my recordings perfectly but when i would go to record it would be on point for a like 10 seconds then it would start to delay. It wouldnt skip or anything. It would just go from recording perfectly to being slightly delayed.
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 14:09:30 (permalink)
    @Anderton: Is ASIO the best driver to use?

     
    I'm not Craig... but (if available) the answer is generally yes.

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 14:35:28 (permalink)
    Hi

    I have an AMD Phenom CPU.

    Turn OFF cool n quiet in the BIOS. I found the CPU meters were much higher until I turned cool n quiet off.

    Give it a try, you can always re-enable it if it makes no difference.

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 14:46:39 (permalink)
    I have Sonar X1 Producer and im running it on a HP Pavilion Elite (64-bit) with Windows 7 with an AMD Phenom II X6 1045T Processor (2.70 GHz) and 8 GB of RAM. I use an M-Audio Producer USB microphone to record my vocals and use an M-Audio Micro USB as a Audio Interface. I recently downloaded the program and installed it. The WDM/KS driver is the only that i can use

     
    im curious, with all the machine you have and X1pro, you couldnt spring for something better than a $29 audio interface with 1/8 jacks..

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 17:31:16 (permalink)
    @SJD Where is the "BIOS"

    @ALEEF well those are the first things that i started out recording with. I never had any serious problems with them like i do now.
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 18:22:34 (permalink)
    dont go into the BIOS!!! thats not your issue... especially if you dont know where or what it is.. it looks like there is some sort of configuration issue.. what do you have pluged into the micro?? and does Sonar see it and the usb mic.
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 18:33:44 (permalink)
    So the USB mixer i was talking about would work just fine?
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 18:43:58 (permalink)
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    So the USB mixer i was talking about would work just fine?


    Yes. A combined mixer/interface with phantom and MIDI sounds fine.

    Basically X1 does not work differently compared to other SONARs, so maybe you were just lucky being able to work with your previous setup :o), which in my opinion had "trouble" tattooed all over it.

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 18:45:13 (permalink)
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    So the USB mixer i was talking about would work just fine?


    Haa. The forum software played games with me...

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 18:51:42 (permalink)
    YES!! Thank ya'll for all the help!!!!
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 18:57:55 (permalink)
    @ALEEF i have a 1/8th headphone jack plugged into the micro USB. And yes the program does see both the Micro USB and Producer USB.

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 19:00:05 (permalink)
    So the USB mixer i was talking about would work just fine?

     
    No!  the usb mic will not plug into a mixer.  forget about usb mixers for right now.. what are trying to actually do?

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 19:02:58 (permalink)
    Ya i know that. I have a XLR type mic that i bought awhile back that i never got to use.
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 19:48:32 (permalink)
    ALEEF i have a 1/8th headphone jack plugged into the micro USB. And yes the program does see both the Micro USB and Producer USB.

     
    since there is no way to plug a usb mic  into a 1/8 jack on the micro and you dont have a radioshack 1/8 mic to plug into the micro... open up an audio track and in the input dropdown menu see if see your mic. choose the left channel and see if it works..man...you need to SERIOUSLY consider getting yourself an asio compatible soundcard/AI  with XLR and 1/4 jacks..and XLR type mic.. what you need now is to go on down to the Guitar Center inyour area and let em hook you up.. im very surprised you were able to do anything in Sonar7 with that setup.. if i were you i stay clear of usb mics and mixers.. good luck man.

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/08 20:19:10 (permalink)
    Alrite thanks
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/09 05:26:35 (permalink)
    aleef


    dont go into the BIOS!!! thats not your issue... especially if you dont know where or what it is.. it looks like there is some sort of configuration issue.. what do you have pluged into the micro?? and does Sonar see it and the usb mic.


    Hi

    The BIOS was an issue for me with the AMD CPU. It made a huge difference to the CPU meters when I disabled Cool N Quiet. It also reduced CPU usage of some plugins too!
    However, if you're not IT savy it may be worthwhile finding someone who is who can try this step for you. It will not harm your system.

    If you don't try you won't know!

    Cheers
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/09 05:31:31 (permalink)
    Don't kill the messenger..

    SONAR X1 are especially programmed and coded for support of INTEL CPU but it will still work great with AMD. 


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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/09 09:40:12 (permalink)
    If you don't try you won't know!

     
    that feature Cool and Quiet is just a feature. the OPs issue is he does not have an ASIO compatible AI. his problem is external not internal. the OP is trying to record vocals through two usb ports. the m-audio micro does not have a usb port for his usb mic. Sonar and his machine is reading the two ports as seperate interfaces. to put it plain and simple the OP does not have the proper equipment to record audio. what good will tweaking the CPU do?? he has enough machine to have the Cool and Quiet feature enabled..no disrespect to the OP but if you dont know how to hook up a soundcard/interface with the proper cables and adapters, you sure as hell dont need to be jackin around in the BIOS... im out.

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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/09 17:36:18 (permalink)
    Well i recently noticed that everytime i try and open previous songs that i recorded the loading symbol comes up and the window says not responding. I task manager and end task. Itll keep happenning no matter if i take out the micro usb or the producer usb. I forgot to mention that the Producer USB has a headphone output so i tried just the Producer USB by itself lastnite and it still does the same thing its been doing. And i remembered that when i first installed Sonar x1 it opened all the folders and previous stuff that ive recorded. But the first time that it messes up and says not responding it wont open any previous folders no matter what unless i reinstall it.
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    Re:SONAR X1 PRODUCER PROBLEMS!!!! 2011/08/09 17:38:10 (permalink)
    I used the ASIO driver when i tried just the Producer USB by the way
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