DayDay72

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DayDay72


I love laptops, but Laptops for Sonar is not a very good idea at this time.  I like mobility, but cannot compromise on the lack of  performance that even an i7 lappy has, in comparison to a desktop.  I'd wait on a lappy until the DPC issue is addressed.  Perhaps I am spoiled with 1-2ms latency, and the issue of return latency.....I mean I would like to record vocals, and instruments on the fly, but I need my throughput efx to be just as tight....at current, there are not any new laptops that can handle the task professionally

I have many issues with this statement.  There are many ways to monitor with negligible latency on laptops (or any system) it just depends on what interface/control panel software you're using. I record drums (8 tracks at once), vocals and any other miked or direct instrument you can imagine with no latency problems whatsoever.  I can run over 50 audio tracks with tons of plugins with no hiccups and my cpu, drive and memory meters are happy as pie.  So to say what you're saying means that I'm either hallucinating, or that you haven't used a newer laptop with a good audio interface.

Simply put, I like to record thru VST's (ie amplitude), with professional results...I also like to record and monitor vocal effects in real time...I am certain that the newer PC's will not allow this for professional results.....I could spend x amount of dollars and get a RME usb, but for that money, I could build a mini.....I like to work @64 samples as a maximum....you said negligible latency, I am speaking of mimimal latency....but I aint mad at you, enjoy your lappy....I'll just wait until the performance specs pars with the capability of my software..... The poster stated that his latency was 10ms for midi....That for me is unacceptable...I am currently working with 2ms....

DayDay72

 

Like I stated in my original post, I am a bit spoiled.  I do monitor through all of the VST effects that I have available, and I mostly do so at 32 samples.  Try that on a laptop....you'd have to buy another device for monitoring (ie podfarm), and use their effects..like you do...at current, I do not have to.  Using a laptop for mobility is just that...mobility...not meaning that I have to purchase another device to go along with my mobile device.  My statement was not sweeping, it was accurate.  You must use outboard gear for monitoring.  I like using the effects in my VST arsenal that I have spent time tweaking as presets.  The ability not to do that with minimal latency (MME, WDM-under 4 milliseconds, ASIO - 64 samples consistently) is the reason that I do not recommend a laptop at this time, unless you are lucky enough to get an off the shelf that somehow has  lower DPC latency .  We are apples and oranges here...The difference Midi-wise between 2 and 10 milliseconds is certainly audible. anything over  5 mseconds is noticeable for me... I have not had 10ms from midi since Sonar 1 and my Mia card...that was 9 years ago, and even that was resolved when Echo came out with better WDM drivers...when I speak of professional results, I am speaking of, for  example, recording and monitoring live guitar through Amplitude, while recording and monitoring multitrack vocals with several effects (reverb, delay, compression, etc...), through sonar at a maximum of 64 samples (ASIO) consistently without ever worrying about pops, glitches, hiccups, stuttering....I am not saying that there is anything wrong with outboard gear, I'm just saying that I like monitoring in sonar with my vsts....Again, like I have stated, for my preferences, at this time a lappy wont deliver what I would be buying it for...true mobility...

 
I'm a drummer and I have a pretty good sense of time.  I don't notice any latency when I'm playing VSTis along to my pre-recorded tracks.  When was the last time you used a modern laptop for audio, if ever?

you certainly do sound condescending, but I will ignore it....I never in any of my posts typed the word ASIO Direct monitoring, or zero latency for that matter. I monitor and record thru my VST's in sonar......this, from what I understand is not ASIO direct monitoring....perhaps you know different.  I have the option of Using it, but I do not.  I do stand very corrected on the podfarm.  But since that is not what I am trying to accomplish with my recording, it is still ignored.  I prefer to use my various VST's in Sonar to accomplish these types of tasks.  Perhaps there is not a difference in latency of 2ms from 8-10, but my keyboard certainly knows the difference between 2ms, and 10ms on the MME/WDM slider, and my headphones are the proof, again a personal choice, but I could imagine that if one purchases a DAW, lowest latency is of great importance. lastly, the reason I even responded to this post was because if the glitches that I found in several laptops.  As in my original reply, I stated that I love laptops.....but I will never use an uncustomized, off the shelf laptop, or desktop for that matter.  dude, its not that serious, and perhaps you like monitoring through your software that came with your audio soundcard.  Perhaps you can even record and mix with them as well. I do not  have the need to. In my Daw, no matter how heavy your recording is, working at 32-64 samples you can always use any capable input monitoring vst  while recording multiple tracks and not notice the slightest bit of latency, and for anyone considering using a laptop to record thru their Sonar VST's, I certainly would not recommend a lappy at this time.  


FYI I really wasnt trying to make this into a argument, so this is my last post on this issue....enjoy your lappies.....over and out!

I upgraded my drivers to ASIO4ALL and went 64bit and now I can record through VSTs and monitor live with no noticable latency on my laptop also, huge increase in power.

DayDay72


WOW, you even had the gall to throw Japan's unfortunate event into the mix.....

chuckebaby


shawn you recording in the kitchen???i wrote some of my best songs in the kitchen..those were the old days..well 20 years ago..hope you get a studio set up soon cause you got a nice little set up.if your limited for space then i hear ya man.been there too(thats why i was in the kitchen..lol)if you got room in a basement or an extra room .you wanna put together something inexspensive let me know,itell you what i got.and send you some pics..peace man