SONAR popularity and shortcomings...(edit typo in thread title, sorry for any offense)

I do find it troubling that some can see into the future and I cannot. :-(

Anderton

tecknot
I would also like address an issue which I wanted to respond to Mr. Anderton's post, but now cannot identify it.

Maybe you objected to my joke about "adult editing." At the time I was tracking the sessions in Pro Tools, envelopes were stored in separate folders, and doing crossfades was a PITA. Also all bounces had to be real time, which is bearable for a 2-minute pop song but drove me insane with 20-minute sonatas where I wanted to bounce down edits. So I took the WAVs into SONAR, and the editing was much smoother.
 
I don't think anything I said in that thread was even remotely controversial or unsupportable, but whatever.

It might have been along the lines of doing the transfer into SONAR as I do that too, a lot.  But it was something I wanted to discuss, intelligently, and I since I could not, I had enough.  But it was certainly in regards to the OP.  Well, I got a kick with my imaginative scenario above.  If I remember it, I know I can always drop you a line.
 
Kind regards,
 
tecknot

Hay, they all do it...Put in new, to **** the old, and the users...So...what is the point to this?....Marketing?..or making it work out of the box?....none do it...it is impossible with Windows MS at this time, as they keep changing the codex...for the matrix to work right.....wink.
 
So how can one bake a cake on or with something that needs to be fixed when baking, or there after shortly in evolving....to the next patch, bug fix or errored code in the libraries that make things gell together?
 
Not sure Cakewalk or any other third party developer can keep up with the new, and the updated updates...and such for long....and so where do the bugs come from is a mystery?....not so sure...but I have my own opinions.
 
I liked Acid DJ which was a free gift back in the hay day of Sonic Foundry....Hay this free gift, worked better than Steinberg VST 3.5-r7....no midi, but I got things done with it that Steinbergs software could not do as a DAW!
 
Word of mouth spread, and I spread my dosh into the market for....Then Sony bought it, and it went along until they added midi....And it went to a dead app soon after that...I still have hope it returns with XG and all other midi of the sort, as a standard house of cards of standard sounds one can use, without plugins....Yet XG midi died with no real support...along with that daw.
 
Now if we really look into the fold, we see capitalists, markets, and mayham...Spy vs spy...and in some trading and selling spys and sabotage is in the works....they put in the spy ware, and the sabotage, and sell it to the other of mistrust, and the ones buying it found that spy gear in place....You think this kind of underhandedness is not going to be returned into the market to make em pay for that?.....So all electronics and chips , are now being implemented with spy and sabotage ware in the chips and devices we buy.....
 
So let us stop this madness.
I know it doesn't work so well....I know I tried PT, and others...some work, some do not...some have bugs, some do not..but gain em in the long run....updates, add ons, and such are there to help us make things easier...But I say does the box have to do everything?....nah!...external gear can cut down on the load of the cpu in those machines...and other means to record help aswell back up the over all.
 
So marketing is just makeup....the pig is already in the machine..and the machine cost too much to have the headache to continually fix.
Take the head out of the box, and breath!
 
Then look at it, solve for it, and make it work right...if you can!....and stop pointing at the sheep....it is not them who make it not work....they just add it in to show you, so you can decide what you want...if it works then buy it.
 
Sonar helps others sell also....So, marketing is with Sonar and other Daws.....again not one is completely stable in doing all things!
 
So bugs...yah, and updates ...and other problems with the whole...as it is unsafe, unsound, and unsure....that is what they want....misleading people away from doing what they want to do....Make music .
Or work in the Garden not done...because of.
 
Now you can say Les you are a nut....But we all know nuts of my type...come from trees....and trees need be sown, and tended to...to have em....and the squirrels all agree....so do the bunnies!..birds, and other insectoids.....So let us reason it out...a little pain, a little suffering, and a big price tag sell little in returns if it is buggy....So, that is why the contention is as it is....Who is at fault?....MS..and the machine makers who know there are issues...but if the consumer buys it like that....THEY WILL SELL IT LIKE THAT!
 
End point putting into the N zone...scores!
 
Regards.
 
If it does not work out of the box, return it for a full refund!...should stand as standard business practice!..for dem dar marketers of the pigs with funny colours on their faces, and smell nice on the out side, but are rotten on the inside!
 
 
Just part of the truth...the hole truth, is the matrix is not connected to my mind, or hand, or heart, to want to harm...it is now in the box....and proof is in the pudding!
 
I'd say Cakewalk is doing its best, to keep it affordable!...and I like that!
 
Sir Les

I would like to address the title of this thread, before it gets out of hand and is locked. (just kidding)
 
 Sonar Popularity and Shortcomings:
 
As far as popularity goes: PT got there first, the Pro world is Mac-centric, (as Mr. Anderton pointed out elsewhere) and studios are already heavily invested in PT. But its grip is definitely slipping. I had a few small studio owner friends that looked into Sonar, and liked it, but opted to stay with PT for compatibility with other studios.
 
Shortcomings? Nothing significant. Sure it's PC only, but that doesn't bother me. I have no desire to lay out more cash for over-priced Mac hardware. The learning curve for Sonar was a little daunting for me at first, but I'm making peace with it.
 
I started out with Guitar Tracks, and absolutely loved it. I record real acoustic instruments for the most part, but I came to a point where I could see the value of mixing in virtual instrument tracks with my live tracks. If Cakewalk had made a version of GT that supported midi instruments I would have been set for life. And they did. But alas, in GTpro4 audio tracks were limited to 2 discrete simultaneous audio recording inputs. Can't do a drum kit  or a band with that limitation. Enter Sonar.
 
I started with X1.  The Skylight interface gave me vertigo. Couldn't wrap my head around it. And a few other things left me scratching my head as well. So I decided to try something else. Enter Acoustica Mixcraft.
 
This little program is a joy to use, simply because it is so easy to use. Not much learning curve there.  I saw someone, (I believe it was on this forum) dismiss it as a toy. Well... toys are fun. It's a forward thinking program from a company that takes its motto "software should be easy to use" seriously. Midi implementation is a breeze, mixcraft had take lanes and FX lanes before Sonar. So it should not be too easily dismissed as a toy. But this is not a Mixcraft commercial. I came back to Cakewalk, and here's why:
 
The interface. (ha ha! the Skylight interface that gave me fits initially) Mixcraft's interface is far too dark, and the controls on the console view are very tiny and have bad contrast colors. (for my eyes anyway) As primarily an audio guy, with just a splash of midi, I spend a lot of my time in the console view. Sonar's bright appearance, with good visual contrast is a big deal for me. These things matter. Mixcraft's emphasis seems to be on building songs with loops and vsti's, and this is a very minor and sometimes non-existent part of what I do. Sonar has these capabilities in spades when I need them, but they are not constantly in my face as the main focus of the DAW. MC sometimes felt like a looping and midi program to which somebody bolted on audio.
 
Features: I like that Sonar now has take lanes, comping, and FX lanes. The new control bar is nice. (that's one of the things that I didn't like in X1) I like the fact that I can group faders. MC's only option for this is to send tracks to an alternative output bus. Clunky. Sonar has global and track effects bypass. The ability to copy and drag effects from one channel to another. Handy. These are just a few of my favorites. I'm sure many other DAW's have these capabilities as well, but for me it was a choice between Sonar and Mixcraft. I want to choose a program and get to know it inside out. I realized that had I chosen Mixcraft it would have been for the sake of simplicity only, and I feared I would bump up against it shortcomings eventually. Cubase, Studio One, Reaper, etc.? Nah. If I'm going to have a learning curve I'll have it in Sonar. I'm more accustomed to the Cakewalk way of doing things.
 
 
Many things have evolved about the Skylight interface, and that, along with my growing familiarity with it, makes it A-OK with me.
 
Also, I actually like the new membership business model!  
 
 
 

I see potential in this being a porno thread.

I couldn't take it any more, I'm a recovering ediholic so I fixed the spelling in the thread title.
 
At least I don't correct grammar in casual conversations any more. I'm getting better. I hope to be cured someday.

interpolated
Ah I noticed that earlier. I thought they would be a prize for mentioning it. It seems Sauron's spies betrayed me......again!
 

Ummm. Well... I was sort of afraid to mention it. 

I don't understood that questioned.

On a subconsciousness level I must have done this.

Anderton
I couldn't take it any more, I'm a recovering ediholic so I fixed the spelling in the thread title.
 
At least I don't correct grammar in casual conversations any more. I'm getting better. I hope to be cured someday.

Seems more gooder to me.
 
Rocky

Mixcraft is like Acid Pro but works pritty much out of the box...woop whoop!...but we want toys of all kinds to work right in sub text on X os...when coded for it, that is suppose to run it without issues...That is the base line premise of the promise?...or have i misinterpreted it, the minimum requirements...if over sped specs, cause issues?..the trumpet is, can PT OR OTHER CONTINUALLY MAKE THE CLAIM OF BEING THE INDUSTRY STANDARD...And Yet, no standards are yet set to be one made...As I see it...Yet...if it keeps changing the way it does...and the allowable level of quality of the sounds degrades to 8bit again...Then we should put our hats into retirement....and get a iwatch for 14,000 bing buttons for the years of efforts trying to make the best be the best there is...and depending on preferences of individuals...it all works together, so where one is lacking, the other helps resolve....YING AND YANG OF EQUAlITY...is Balance....If it is too hard to enter a door, or is too expensive to setup, or maintain,...it usually gets left behind due to budget cuts....usually!...can't fire the hat waring bastards, if only one is running the studio...and no one shows up , because they now do it at home...for free!...or close enough to...so the industry needs to change....and I believe it is changing...so no industry standards are in truth a truth...see?...we are the industry!

They're attempting to guess their thinking, up there in Boston.

I think the suite approach to applications works better than overloading a program with rarely used options. However if you can transfer your work interactively if would certainly improve the workflow overall.