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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 02:39:39
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The SWA vid' has way more info in it than I ever expected to see in a video lesson!
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 03:19:56
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Thanks RuffRider.. As well as the new to X2 functions, I tried to cover all the stuff that comes up on here regularly as well as some of the more unusual areas. The "How to write an instrument file" tutorial is one that comes to mind that I've not seen before. I wanted to come up with something informative that covers the obvious but also the not so obvious material, hopefully that comes across. The length of it was a result of the material covered not something that was planned. I knew it was quite long but I was actually shocked when Chris told me it was over nine hours...
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 04:28:24
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Eli is a great explainer, a rare and wonderful thing. Just to give one of our own a boost, I got FBB's instead, and am very impressed with Karl's work. I may still pick up Eli's while the sale is on. Both are worth every penny. One thing, though--I probably wouldn't have gotten FBB's if I had known it was one big file. I agree with everyone about the quality of information, but one big file is inconvenient. Having the chapters neatly broken into separate files the way Groove 3 commonly does it makes it easier for me to play them on a variety of devices (such as my smartphone).
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 05:06:36
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Thanks for the kind words Grem and John I missed your posts initially somehow. Thanks also KeithAdv. I'm sure Chris will see your feedback ref the file size here but I'll make sure I pass them on just in case.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 08:14:29
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I have never tried it but aren't there freeware programs out there where you could edit the file into whatever size you want to accomplish it being on say a smartphone? Never thought of this! I could put it on my iPhone (iThink!) and watch at work or on the road. I may have to give this a try. The USB key thing would be easier, but some may not be able to do this at work.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 09:32:42
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Yes, I love to do stuff like that. I figure if I have to be stuck in an airport, I can at least finally learn how to use audiosnap! Karl's video is brilliant on QuickTime, where you can select chapters. But I like to throw stuff on my phone or sometimes watch it via Plex on my tv. So, even though I can reduce the file. I'm much too lazy to try to slice it into the respective chapters and that's the problem. However, I might be a minority of one on this. I have a couple of SWA videos and they are always one big file. I have the Groove3 X1 tutorial and I had an access pass there for a while--and I like G3 approach of one file per chapter. Seems more efficient; less fast-forwarding.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 12:05:34
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Hi FastBikerBoy aka Karl, I am having some major frustration with the download of your SWA for X2 video. The download size of 2.86Gig is to too large for my internet connection. My download was interrupted and stopped at 2.6 gig and on 2nd triad interrupted at 2.84 gig. I am sure it is possible to split the file into 2 or 3 separate download. I think CW should be more considerate towards customer like me from a foreign country where our internet speed is no match to USA. It would take me 7 hours to download a file of this size and getting interrupted when your download is almost completed is not fun. Can you bring this up to CW or send me a another link? Thanks for your help in advance. Choo Shi-Hwei Malaysia
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 12:16:30
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Hi, sorry you're having trouble with the download. I have little control over distribution but I'll certainly contact Chris at SWA for you. Are you downloading from his site or the Cakewalk Store? I doubt there's much he can do about it if it's from Cakewalk but I'll see what I can do for you. Let me know where you're trying to get it from and I'lll see if I can sort something out for you.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 13:51:39
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Hey Karl I loved your video as I said before. I am watching it at work on lunch hour.....I'm 4 hours into it.....LOVE IT. But I have to agree (but it is a SWA Thing , not yours) They really do need to break it up a bit. and split the video into their own chapters. This is where Groove 3 has their act together......I like the way they have things in chapteres.....very easy to navagate.... Just my two cents worth........ but it will not stop me from a purcahse if I thought I could learn from it. Clifford
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 15:09:41
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I don't have these videos but have videos from both. I like them both but Groove3 is better in that they seperate the different sections by video rather than one long video from SWA. That's the only drawback about SWA. If you want to go back to a certain section, you have to search around for it.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 15:28:25
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Just watch the SWA with QuickTime or VLC and you get access to the chapters.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 16:59:16
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Thanks Clifford - I'm glad you are finding it helpful. Just to add to STinGA's advice - there is also a downloadable PDF of chapter times with per video contents HERE
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 17:11:45
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I will probably end up with both videos (and Scott's book) eventually but I bought Karl's (FastBikerBoy) first. Over the past year I have found that there were little things (e.g. AudioSnap) that I could not find answers in any of the Cakewalk, Groove3 and SWA videos (and even Sonar X1 Power - which is EXCELLENT) that I finally found in Karl's FREE tutorials that he so graciously made available. His detailed discussion included exactly the problem (blah blah tempo out of range blah blah blah) that I kept running into. He made AudioSnap MUCH MORE usable for me. The fact that Karl turned out very high quality FREE videos for us - and is a huge asset to the Sonar community here on this forum I wanted to support his X2 video effort. I am finding that even in the basic stuff that I thought I would just skip past in the videos there are little tidbits that are interesting and useful. And for the stuff that I am not familiar with (MIDI, synths, etc.) it is going to make getting up to speed on those a lot easier. As far as the video quality. This is top shelf. Very clear video, great use of screen tools to show exactly what he is talking about, and of course excellent audio quality. As good or better than ANYTHING I have seen. Much better than most. My wife overheard the video playing and asked if I was learning X2 from that little green Gecko in the TV commercials. It took me a minute to get what she was talking about about. I hope Karl isn't offended but his voice does sound a little like the gecko's. Let's make that - the gecko sounds a little like Karl. Karl - THANKS for all of your contributions to all things Sonar. The videos - both your free ones and the one from SWA - are terrific. Don
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 17:21:10
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STinGA Just watch the SWA with QuickTime or VLC and you get access to the chapters. Thanks for pointing that out "STinGA". I the watched the video with Quick Time but didn't see the little box on the lower right hand side. Just click in that box and it displays all the chapters and you can pick and choose as you like.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 17:36:21
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No Quicktime on Android, and none of the m4v players there support chapters. Also copying a 2,8GB file to a phone or tablet just to watch a couple of chapters is a hassle.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 18:55:58
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garrigus SONAR X2 Power is also in the works. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com/ * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview Scott, I've bought many of your books, but with all of the new (and available, I might add) multimedia training tools, aren't you a little late to the party? I mean, your book is months off, no? I prefer training tools at the start of a product's life cycle. KEv
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 19:25:01
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Both videos are very wonderful tools and are very informative in there own right,i learn alot of detail from SWA and alot of usage info in groove3.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 20:21:41
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FastBikerBoy Hi, sorry you're having trouble with the download. I have little control over distribution but I'll certainly contact Chris at SWA for you. Are you downloading from his site or the Cakewalk Store? I doubt there's much he can do about it if it's from Cakewalk but I'll see what I can do for you. Let me know where you're trying to get it from and I'lll see if I can sort something out for you. Karl, Thanks for responding, I purchased from Cakewalk store. I send customer and email yesterday, haven't receiveany respond yet. Choo Shi-Hwei
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/27 22:03:10
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burkek Scott, I've bought many of your books, but with all of the new (and available, I might add) multimedia training tools, aren't you a little late to the party? I mean, your book is months off, no? I prefer training tools at the start of a product's life cycle. KEv Hi KEv, Thanks for reading my books! I appreciate it. It's up to you whether or not you'd like to buy the SONAR X2 Power! book, but no, I'm not late to the party.  My book will contain plenty of good info and it will be based on the final, shipping version of SONAR X2. Not the beta. Plus, there are plenty of users that either prefer books or enjoy learning from both books and videos. There's plenty of room in the marketplace for multiple learning resources. Best, Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 00:43:22
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Hey Scott, I'm still waiting for you to provide actual videos for all of the links you had put in the X1 Power book. You know, the plugin and feature demos that you used to help sell the book but never actually followed up on. I've commented on this and written you on more than one occasion and all you've ever given was excuses. "The videos took more time than I expected". It took more time to earn the $50 I spent on your book than I expected too. That said, I won't be buying any more of your books until you finish your last one.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 02:14:37
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don4777 I will probably end up with both videos (and Scott's book) eventually but I bought Karl's (FastBikerBoy) first. Over the past year I have found that there were little things (e.g. AudioSnap) that I could not find answers in any of the Cakewalk, Groove3 and SWA videos (and even Sonar X1 Power - which is EXCELLENT) that I finally found in Karl's FREE tutorials that he so graciously made available. His detailed discussion included exactly the problem (blah blah tempo out of range blah blah blah) that I kept running into. He made AudioSnap MUCH MORE usable for me. The fact that Karl turned out very high quality FREE videos for us - and is a huge asset to the Sonar community here on this forum I wanted to support his X2 video effort. I am finding that even in the basic stuff that I thought I would just skip past in the videos there are little tidbits that are interesting and useful. And for the stuff that I am not familiar with (MIDI, synths, etc.) it is going to make getting up to speed on those a lot easier. As far as the video quality. This is top shelf. Very clear video, great use of screen tools to show exactly what he is talking about, and of course excellent audio quality. As good or better than ANYTHING I have seen. Much better than most. My wife overheard the video playing and asked if I was learning X2 from that little green Gecko in the TV commercials. It took me a minute to get what she was talking about about. I hope Karl isn't offended but his voice does sound a little like the gecko's. Let's make that - the gecko sounds a little like Karl. Karl - THANKS for all of your contributions to all things Sonar. The videos - both your free ones and the one from SWA - are terrific. Don Thanks for the kind words Don, I'm blushing.... Not sure who Gecko is (I'm UK based) but I'm sure I'll have been compared to worse.  I'm really glad you're finding the videos helpful. BobbyT Both videos are very wonderful tools and are very informative in there own right,i learn alot of detail from SWA and alot of usage info in groove3. Thanks BobbyT musichoo FastBikerBoy Hi, sorry you're having trouble with the download. I have little control over distribution but I'll certainly contact Chris at SWA for you. Are you downloading from his site or the Cakewalk Store? I doubt there's much he can do about it if it's from Cakewalk but I'll see what I can do for you. Let me know where you're trying to get it from and I'lll see if I can sort something out for you. Karl, Thanks for responding, I purchased from Cakewalk store. I send customer and email yesterday, haven't receiveany respond yet. Choo Shi-Hwei Hi Choo, sorry you're still having problems - I'm not sure if I can help much if it's a CW download but I'll see if I can contact someone for you. Hopefully you'll find the video worth the wait.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 10:19:09
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I'm a sucker for educational materials, so I ended up springing for both the Groove 3 and SWA videos. Groove 3 stuff done by Eli is pretty much a no-brainer for me - informative, enthusiastic, and classy presentations that make you want to say "I've got to try that thing he just did right now." I prefer having the text summary at the end of the segments, which is not in this video. I've also got a few SWA products, and while they can be hit or miss, this latest one is definitely a hit. The detail is remarkable, the presentation easy to follow, and the structure logical. Excellent work from someone who obviously loves working with the program. Who better to learn from? I agree with the frustrations of others concerning the format - I prefer Groove 3's - but Quicktime does the job well enough. And now that Scott has weighed in with news of his forthcoming tome, I can feel another case of PPT (pre-purchase tension) coming on. Ben
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 10:21:06
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Not sure who Gecko is (I'm UK based) but I'm sure I'll have been compared to worse. You can't watch TV very long here in the states without seeing "The Gecko". He is a cute little green gecko lizard who is the spokesperson for the Geico Insurance Company. He is a rather likable little guy and has been around for several years. He has a very comforting and confident voice. Having a voice compared to his voice is a compliment in my book. It's a great voice. Perfect for Voice Overs. Here is a YouTube link to one of his spots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItxsHYeDuCg&feature=related Don
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 10:30:37
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Thanks Don. I'm certainly little and been around for a few years. Likeable depends on who you ask.... Thanks for the props Ben, glad you like it..
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 11:38:04
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$55 for lots of info. Don't need to use the frontal lobes for this decision. Each covers some stuff. Some overlap occurs. Redundancy is the basis of learning. My sadness has been the lack of audio only instruction. I spend too much time in cars. Would be good to have the sound tracks to listen to. I have recorded the audio to CD from previous vids. Most do not just move to the next lesson, so had to remember to also click the "next" button, and not stop to rewind or ponder. ========= The lesson of the day: "Completion" only happens in between humans during contests (games) of winner take all. It does not apply to products, companies, objects, ideas, animals, trees, mountains,...... Completion requires intent. Only humans can have intent to compete. Sadly this concept has been woefully misapplied for decades. With the resulting interference of intelligent thinking and actions. It is a "Pavlovian-Salivation" word used to invoke the image of a contest where none exists; To elicit a very subconscious, visceral, response to side with the person who is uttering it. ("The American People" is another such phrase.) Ask 10 people what the word/concept means and 10 variations will be the responses. The appropriate word/concept for products is "comparison." And this comparing only has relevance to how each of the products will meet a user's particular requirements. People in business organizations that spend most of their time worrying about what their "competitors" are doing so they can "win," do less innovation, and thereby create me-to products. Often of less quality and consequently more expensive for lifetime use. The above comments are a summary of 40 adult years of study (thousands of articles, books, videos), and observation of self and others during everyday living.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 12:02:06
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Even if it doesn't matter in this American/English forum, as I am French, it's rather difficult for me to understand English spoken, above all when people speak fast or/and use idiomatic expressions. It's a pity there are not such devoted guys like Eli or Karl in every country !
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 12:07:16
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No offence taken, some English people have trouble understanding me... I'm not sure how practical sub-titles would be, my French definitely isn't good enough to translate it. Sorry.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 12:38:08
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Hey Karl Just watched again the very beginning of your videos and in fact, I can understand rather well : your speaking is very clear and you make every effort to be clear : I'm going to edit my prior post I have spoken too fast, and it was certainly me who made a confusion with my own incompetence to grasp all the subtilities of Sonar through your X1 videos, and maybe I associated it to your English (we, non English speakers, have to concentrate both on the translation and the content, and after a while, we switch off!) Terribly sorry and thanks again for your work
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/09/28 12:56:32
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No need to apologise I can only imagine what it must be like trying to watch a video narrated in a foreign language. Hopefully it will be clear enough.
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Re:SWA vs Groove 3
2012/10/01 04:19:15
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I bought both vids and have to concur with some that SWA really needs to be broken up into separate chapter mp4s! In todays world many of us have tablets and I find it very challenging to watch SWA on my nexus7 as it is one huge file. With todays inexpensive video editing software, it's a no brainer to split the huge video into chapters which we can access as desired. I've taken to watching these in my free time, at a coffee shop or while kicking it at the end of a long day and after all the great effort which went in to creating SWA it is a shame that a couple more hours wasn't spent breaking it into separate chapter/section files... I hope you will do this Carl... as is, it is hard for me to get to where I want to when I want to... and this shouldn't be the case. You've already done all the homework based on your list of what is covered... and it would increase the user friendliness/utility of your bang up job tremendously.
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