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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 17:22:37 (permalink)
So IK_ Multimedia..... do you have anything to say about being tart with all your clients for that many years as Larry has stated or would you rather just evade the question?

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 17:26:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/08/28 21:01:11
You guys want to be followers ...go right ahead...WOW...I literally cannot believe how NAIVE you all are...you just don't give a crap about ANYONE BUT YOURSELVES. AND you help the COMPANY FEEL THEY ARE JUSTIFIED.....THAT is the VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY SAD PART.
 
You know what's sad, dude:

Some of us naive guys that 'don't care about anyone but ourselves' chipped in and paypaled you a few bucks a few months back.

More than a few members have asked you nicely to stop with the constant harrasment of IK. Not because we are fans or paid shills of IK (which you have also accused some of us to be) but your constant illiterate rantings and insults to anyone disagreeing with you are way past being annoying.

You seriously need some help, dude.

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 17:29:29 (permalink)
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For those actually interested in the free version (that does not import) - or demo version if we are still in semantics funtime - it is in your IK User Area at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/userarea or on the SampleTank 3 product page at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/sampletank3



Is the first-week Grand Piano part of the ST3 Free/Demo download?   That part wasn't real clear...
 

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 17:46:19 (permalink)
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So IK_ Multimedia..... do you have anything to say about being tart with all your clients for that many years as Larry has stated or would you rather just evade the question?


I do not feel like we are evading anything nor do I think IK have been "tart" to all (or, frankly, anywhere near all - or many of) our SampleTank customers. SampleTank products have clearly provided great value and return on investment for many that have been using them for such a long time and that is appreciated. We hear it through the words and the works of those who have been using the Powered By SampleTank products. The intense desire to also use the previous Powered By SampleTank libraries this many years later on systems architecture that did not even exist when they were released is a testament to the long term value of these products. We've offered an extremely reasonable method to also use these libraries too instead of just deeming them immediately "end of life".
 
If the cost of upgrading to SampleTank 3 is found unreasonable by some, I understand that perhaps these libraries did not give them enough satisfaction and/or income to recoup the investment over the years of use for those individuals and they have a right to feel this way. What I don't agree with is that this major version release (and what we feel is an extremely reasonable upgrade path to this release) negates any or all of the value and use over the years that the previous libraries were in their possession or that it is a malicious act in any way, shape, or form.
 
I hope that helps.
 
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 17:47:43 (permalink)
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For those actually interested in the free version (that does not import) - or demo version if we are still in semantics funtime - it is in your IK User Area at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/userarea or on the SampleTank 3 product page at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/sampletank3



Is the first-week Grand Piano part of the ST3 Free/Demo download?   That part wasn't real clear...

Yes, the first-week piano is bundled with the SampleTank 3 Free download you'll find in your IK User Area.
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 18:02:17 (permalink)
Hmmmmm......here we go again. What will it take to get IK back in the good graces of Larry?
 
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 18:06:47 (permalink)
On the scale of world evil, with Hitler being the top of the evil chart for reference purposes and singing rainbow painted unicorns being least evil, IK delaying release of some products and not offering a fr e version seems to rank somewhere south of ripping tags off of pillows and mattresses or rubbing cats fur the wrong way. It's not that Larry is "wrong" to be upset.  It's his insistence on insulting anyone who does not join in his overreaction.  In several threads he has been noticeably more upset by issues than actual people the issue effects.  Comparing something so minor to brutal anal rape is probably the single most insulting thing i have ever seen posted in this forum.  Although he has hinted that he may have actually been anally violated in ta thread before, it is hard to believe anyone who was actually raped would compare such a personal vile act to displeasure over software. It's beyond irrational and sad.  He has been "done" about 100 times yet feels compelled to spit the same incoherent  babble.
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 18:09:03 (permalink)
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Hmmmmm......here we go again. What will it take to get IK back in the good graces of Larry?
 
Rocky


Considering his obsession with strange sexual analogies I'm thinking someone at IK has to bendover and squeal to make things fair and square in his mind!
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 18:18:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SmokeyJ628 2014/08/29 08:44:35
Down here we've got a sayin..."when a dozen folks tell you you're drunk, it's time to lay down". Maybe just a short nap, ol pal??

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 18:40:20 (permalink)
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For those actually interested in the free version (that does not import) - or demo version if we are still in semantics funtime - it is in your IK User Area at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/userarea or on the SampleTank 3 product page at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/sampletank3



Is the first-week Grand Piano part of the ST3 Free/Demo download?   That part wasn't real clear...

Yes, the first-week piano is bundled with the SampleTank 3 Free download you'll find in your IK User Area.




Great, thanks.
 

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 20:38:27 (permalink)
I'm bummed about not being able to import my libraries but eventually, I'll get ST3 full someday. Or not. Free is ok with me.

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 20:42:16 (permalink)
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On the scale of world evil, with Hitler being the top of the evil chart for reference purposes and singing rainbow painted unicorns being least evil,



That's babble. It's sort of correct but neglects those who put him there.

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 20:46:42 (permalink)
I haven't seen cc this cross since the thread where he felt cakewalk were dragging their heels on vst3
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 21:03:29 (permalink)
Well, I downloaded it and the sound it pretty good. I don't know if the program is usable though. Just using it in standalone was ridiculous. There is about a 3 or 4 second delay from hitting the keyboard and hearing the note. so, useless there. I haven't tried it in a project so it remains to be seen if it works well there.

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 21:06:43 (permalink)
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On the scale of world evil, with Hitler being the top of the evil chart for reference purposes and singing rainbow painted unicorns being least evil,



That's babble. It's sort of correct but neglects those who put him there.


Are you talking about Hitler or the Unicorn?  You do realize such a ridiculous analogy was not said for purposes of accuracy? For all I know singing rainbow painted unicorns could be the epitome of evil.
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 21:29:14 (permalink)
I just put it in a project and so far, the sound is pretty nice. It seems a bit darker than True Pianos but together, they will probably make one nice piano. Also, it works well in a host DAW.

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 22:10:36 (permalink)
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Well, I downloaded it and the sound it pretty good. I don't know if the program is usable though. Just using it in standalone was ridiculous. There is about a 3 or 4 second delay from hitting the keyboard and hearing the note. so, useless there. I haven't tried it in a project so it remains to be seen if it works well there.


I have the same issue,,,,2 second lag from the keyboard to the program. Not impressed.

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 22:26:51 (permalink)
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"Download it today and discover why SampleTank 3 is considered the new industry standard."
 

 
 




Statements like this is why I take all marketing hyperbole with a grain of salt.  It's not an outright lie, because the fact that there are not many (if any) direct competitors that fit exactly in ST3's niche. The closest equivalents  are hardware devices like Yamaha Motif or Roland Phantom. I can't think of any vst workstation. 
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 22:30:34 (permalink)
I think rushing out a "free version" before all the kinks are worked out with initial release are worked out is a misstep and overreaction to loudmouths. It seems rushed and forced.  I suspect the success of this product will eventually lay in the quality of additional sample libraries made available by IK and third parties.
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 22:58:49 (permalink)
It is definitely NOT the industry standard. (Marketing hype) I would say Kontakt would be much closer to that role. In fact it is a very ordinary instrument and does not really offer anything really new. There are quite a few VST's out there that do the same sort of thing.
 
And while on the subject of hardware the Kurzweil PC3K is so far ahead of Roland and Yamaha equivalents (in sound) it is not funny either.

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 23:14:40 (permalink)
IMHO putting sampletank in the same category as Kontakt would be like comparing sample based multitimbral workstation synths of the time to samplers like the akai s1000 or emu samplers in their heyday. Kontakt is an industry standard but just not the same thing as sampletank. Anyone who regularly uses both would not likely use them for the same thing.
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 23:29:03 (permalink)
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IMHO putting sampletank in the same category as Kontakt would be like comparing sample based multitimbral workstation synths of the time to samplers like the akai s1000 or emu samplers in their heyday. Kontakt is an industry standard but just not the same thing as sampletank. Anyone who regularly uses both would not likely use them for the same thing.



Why is that. What are the major differences. What can one do that the other cannot. I would have thought if you had Kontakt you would not need much else. I don't own either so I am genuinely interested. I use hardware to do this type of work and only have very different and interesting VST's to compliment.
 
Sampletank 3 is not that cheap actually so it needs to offer something different. Is Kontakt the better instrument for not a lot more.
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/28 23:44:46 (permalink)
I'd consider UVI Workstation as a closer competitor for ST.
 
Not that Kontakt cannot do what ST does, but it isn't necessarily optimized for that.
IMHO it's like comparing heavy artillery with a Swiss army knife. 
 
That's a perception, of course. Anyway, me I'm an EXS-24 man forever. ;)

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/29 00:26:42 (permalink)
Rain, UVI is probably a better comparison but still not quite the same.   The editing abilities alone make Kontakt in another league. In theory a person could create world class instruments on their own for Kontakt if they have the sampling resources and skill.  Although you can import your own samples into ST3 it's more akin to hardware workstaions that offer a sampling option versus a dedicated sampler.  Kontakt could do what ST3 does in the same way a muli-output/channel sampler could do what a hardware workstation could do but , as you stated, not optimized for that.
 
If I had EXS-24, sampletank would seem very redundant since it is optimized to work so well with Logic in a way tha tis integrated well into the program.  It is far more powerful than the average newbie realizes , yet it is Garage band-like easy to insert any instrument into your project.  With that said, my students have found a niche for sampletank even though we use logic
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/29 05:14:33 (permalink)
There is a function overlap between Kontakt and Sampletank 3, but they are designed with different priorities. Sampletank seems to be aimed more towards live preformance, a look at the tutorial videos will make that clear.
 
For people using it in a DAW, its closer to Dimension Pro than Kontakt, OK its multi timberal and has built in effects, but in a DAW that does not count for much. Key switch implimetation on the factory sounds seems quite basic.
 
It does not have the scripting of Kontakt or Mach 5 so we are unlikley to see any really outstanding guitars or other instruments that are highly dependent on scripts.
 
The factory library is decent, possibly better than Kontakt in some areas. Independence Pro still has the best factory library IMHO.

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/29 06:44:22 (permalink)
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Well, I downloaded it and the sound it pretty good. I don't know if the program is usable though. Just using it in standalone was ridiculous. There is about a 3 or 4 second delay from hitting the keyboard and hearing the note. so, useless there. I haven't tried it in a project so it remains to be seen if it works well there.


Check the Audio/MIDI settings.  Choose your audio interface and change the Audio Buffer Size setting as necessary and you should be able to experience normal playability.  If this still does not help, our support team would be happy to help you at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/contact-support as this is definitely not the normal behavior of course.
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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/29 08:31:45 (permalink)
I downloaded ST3 Free yesterday. Now, I run some pretty big projects with tons of Vst fx and Vstis. The CPU hit of just the piano ate so much CPU it should have burped after the consumption! I had to turn off all of the processing, EQ, Lid adjustment, reverb, etc. to even get it down to useable in a project that normally runs like a bat out of h-e-double hockey sticks.
I won't be using ST3 very much, if even at all. BTW, the piano was good but nothing to write home about. I guess I'll stick with AK for now. I will stick with it to see if any of the other free instruments are worth keeping it for. In my book, Kontakt still rules.

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/29 09:31:47 (permalink)
Larry,
Just for the record, I couldn't agree with you more!

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/29 09:56:14 (permalink)
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If the cost of upgrading to SampleTank 3 is found unreasonable by some, I understand that perhaps these libraries did not give them enough satisfaction and/or income to recoup the investment over the years of use for those individuals and they have a right to feel this way. What I don't agree with is that this major version release (and what we feel is an extremely reasonable upgrade path to this release) negates any or all of the value and use over the years that the previous libraries were in their possession or that it is a malicious act in any way, shape, or form.
 
I hope that helps.
 
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It's not that the upgrade price is unreasonable, but it's more of paying twice for products I already have........just to be able to use the "facelifted" 64bit interface.
 
The only place where feelings would be involved (IMO), would be (after purchasing all available IK softsynths and all the available libraries to make this my GOTO product) in IK not providing any 64 bit support for any of these products unless you pay for it as an upgrade. This is where I feel there's not any loyalty to us long time customers. Yes, there are workarounds (purchasing J-bridge) to get it to work in a x64 sys, but it certainly looks like IK  just "threw us under the bus" by dropping support on the products they promoted/advertised so vigorously in order to make a sale. This is where it "negates all of the value and use over the years" as I now have to purchase an additional item in order to get it to work as intended.  

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Re: SampleTank FREE 2014/08/29 10:56:56 (permalink)
SampleTank 3 is far more than a "face lift" and SampleTank 2.x products were never sold as anything but 32-bit products, and had a very long lifespan as such.  I am sorry but I don't see how you are paying twice for something when you got exactly what you paid for when you purchased and used SampleTank products in their 32-bit form (as mentioned - and at the core of what I'm seeing in many posts - for years in many cases).  They served well doing exactly what was stated on the tin, and for quite a long time for the long-term customers that I see expressing disdain for having to upgrade.
 
We stated that SampleTank 3 would be the 64-bit version, was a major update not just a 64-bit version by any means, and that the long-in-the-tooth 32-bit libraries would need to be imported into it to run in 64-bit.  We did provide 64-bit upgrades to T-RackS and AmpliTube as they were far more recently-updated products and thought we were clear about the major changes to the SampleTank line.  We did post an explanation before SampleTank 3 was released, so we could be as clear as possible, on our forum to clear up some questions that were being asked too:  Why SampleTank 3 for 64-bit? An explanation.
 
I understand you disagree with the above, and you most certainly have that right and the right to your own opinion on the matter.
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