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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 10:35:52
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John
Freddie Emagic was great company and Logic was a great DAW. Now CW is beating it into the ground.
I liked how you said that.
Really? Never understand why these things have to turn into a competition. But to play devils advocate have you checked out comping in logic. They got it done right and more advanced then Sonar even after Cakewalk reinvents the wheel with take lanes. Also varispeed in logic. Also comprehensive notation. Also, check out logics folder editing. Also flex time. The way colors are used in track/mixer view. Etc.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 12:43:01
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This hardware require updated windows drivers for SP1. The X2a update also installs something from Microsoft, Visual C++ Redistributable 2012 11. something. If you are having install issues for X2a make sure you have the required service packs and updated drivers before you install X2a. Cripey! I'm glad I caught this post. Is this mentioned in any of the X2a documentation? Man, they sure don't make this stuff easy to figure out, eh? Anyway... good post. I didn't realize the Service Packs (or lack thereof) could caused such problems. Cheers.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 12:52:23
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Beepster, I do not understand your reaction to this update. It solves quite a few issues and like all updates some users have had issues after applying it.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 12:55:41
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Beepster
This hardware require updated windows drivers for SP1. The X2a update also installs something from Microsoft, Visual C++ Redistributable 2012 11. something. If you are having install issues for X2a make sure you have the required service packs and updated drivers before you install X2a.
Cripey! I'm glad I caught this post. Is this mentioned in any of the X2a documentation? Man, they sure don't make this stuff easy to figure out, eh? Anyway... good post. I didn't realize the Service Packs (or lack thereof) could caused such problems. Cheers.
Yup - glad you caught it too. It will be like this pretty much from now on, where the internals of things moving forward will count on machines being at a certain level, particularly with things like the redistributable code and the .NET framework (that's more for other things). Anyways, glad you saw this prior to you making the jump, Bob Bone
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 13:11:28
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@scook... Howdy. I'm just going on the premise of if it ain't (too) broken don't fix it. X2 has been working rather well for me aside from a couple glitches which I have workarounds for. I'm just concerned that if I patch and something screws up I'll be down until I can find the time to isolate the issue. Just seeing a lot of people having problems I don't want to deal with. I don't think I saw any problems posted after the Quickfix was released so I'm probably gonna just do that for now and cobble together as much info on the "a" patch as I can or just wait until the next one. I'm about to start going through all the tuts and then the finer points of the manual. Just don't feel like playing tech for a while and I haven't had much time to really watch the forums lately. Cheers... hope you are enjoying the holidays.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 13:13:35
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@Bob... Yeah, you'd figure they'd write this stuff to work with the core of the OS despite the updates and service packs but I guess not. Gonna have to start taking notes. Cheers.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 15:26:27
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Beepster
@Bob... Yeah, you'd figure they'd write this stuff to work with the core of the OS despite the updates and service packs but I guess not. Gonna have to start taking notes. Cheers.
The Metro 'touch' stuff was presented in Visual Studio 12 - hence a recompile. Naturally, if you don't have the VS 12 C/C++ runtime, i.e., you're not running on Win 8, you get the extra install. 
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 16:56:58
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@Bob... Yeah, you'd figure they'd write this stuff to work with the core of the OS despite the updates and service packs but I guess not. Gonna have to start taking notes. Cheers.
The Metro 'touch' stuff was presented in Visual Studio 12 - hence a recompile. Naturally, if you don't have the VS 12 C/C++ runtime, i.e., you're not running on Win 8, you get the extra install.
ouch... my brain. :-( Hopefully now that I'm in a more reasonable environment and (in theory) will have some time I can learn more about all this kind of thing. I'm a reasonably smart dude but I got a very late start in the whole computer game. Add to that I, well let's just say I did not get very far in school, I've got some serious hurdles to face if I intend to get a good handle on things the way I'd like to. But I'm a pretty stubborn *BLEEPING* *BLAP* so I just gotta shut my yap, pay attention and get my head into it. Been dealing with so much stupid crap these past couple years it's been hard but now's the time... and it's about time. Thank goodness for this forum. Cheers all and hope you and yours are healthy and happy. Peace.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 17:37:51
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I think this is being over analyzed and made to sound unnecessarily complicated.
X2A installs a new microsoft redistributable library. This in itself is not specific to Windows 8. In fact any new Windows software written will require this library so it will be increasingly common in the next few months.
The OP's issue is most likely completely unrelated to this. As far as I read he went straight from X1 to X2A. If he is crashing on loading old projects, its possibly a plugin compat issue. Loading the project in safe mode and skipping plugins will help narrow down whats causing the crash. Or send in a problem report with the minidump and it will be investigated.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 20:14:59
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Beepster
This hardware require updated windows drivers for SP1. The X2a update also installs something from Microsoft, Visual C++ Redistributable 2012 11. something. If you are having install issues for X2a make sure you have the required service packs and updated drivers before you install X2a.
Cripey! I'm glad I caught this post. Is this mentioned in any of the X2a documentation? Man, they sure don't make this stuff easy to figure out, eh? Anyway... good post. I didn't realize the Service Packs (or lack thereof) could caused such problems. Cheers.
Hi Beepster, This is a response geared more towards a hardware conflict using a delta card then a proper way to update to X2a. I did the update and Sonar works much better for me now. At issue are two sets of drivers. One set before SP1 and one Set after SP1. This is something that I found to be hardware specific and only applies to the Delta 1010lt card. This is an issue I worked through on a friends computer which had nothing to do with Sonar, but affected the sound over all. The Redistribution Library 2012 is a good thing and it is great that cakewalk included it. It is not something that is limited to windows 8. The OP's issues are more computer related then they are Sonar related. I was able to resolve the issues regarding the Hardware which is the same thing the OP is using. I was just passing along the solution I found. The SP issue is not the case with all hardware. I believe if the OP followed the solutions I outlined then he will resolve his issues. According to a post by the op he did not have the quick fix installed either. So I think that just compounded everything. The recommendation was only because of the hardware he is using. This did not apply in my case, and probably not in yours.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 20:21:01
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@beepster - I would install X2a, you'll be fine. Rock solid here.
As Marcus says in his post above, these issues only relate to that specific hardware.
Go on, do it. Go on, go on, go on, go on..
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 20:38:05
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It would be great if there was a way to do that all at once. (I.e. a function that saves it as a bundle - BUT with each track starting at 0 and all midi tracks transferred as well.)
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A good way to be able to open old projects is to save every track as a wav and then you can open and remix them in whatever DAW you want, anytime in the future.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 20:43:44
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Beepster I can't believe you have not patched X2 yet. The A patch is painless to install and it will not give you any trouble. Because CW has added stuff to it as well as more configuration ability it caught us a little off guard. Even so it is a very useful patch. Because we know what is going on now we are here and we have your back. Give yourself a nice Christmas present and install it ASAP.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 21:35:16
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Hi, Marcus, John, jb and Noel.
Thanks for the encouraging thoughts, guys but I think I'm gonna wait it out a little longer to see what's up. As I said X2 has been doing what I need it to do right out of the box (which is great and frankly pretty impressive) and I'm pretty confident about the QuickFix seeing as how it has been out for a while now. Just kind of want to see how the a patch is going to play out.
I believe you guys that it's probably all good but if I do just happen to end up with an issue I'd rather have it happen after the knowledge base of our power users is at peak and I've had a chance to research others experiences.
As I said I'm pretty much just going to be stepping back for a bit and digging into the manual. As much as I'd like to get back to recording my stuff I need to really learn some more or I fear I'll just be spinning my wheels and producing mediocre stuff that has to be redone (which is the case with everything I've made to date).
Also I figure the patch just came out and most folks are probably dealing with family stuff instead of really picking it apart so I'm sure about mid January there should be a much clearer picture of what's going on and how to fix any potential issues. I'll also be back to a reasonable level of normalcy to read the threads and take notes.
Yeah, I'm probably being paranoid and I'm certainly not trying to take a dig at Cake. I'm just proceeding with an overabundance of caution as usual. Slow and steady wins the race... right?
Anyway, I hope everyone is having safe and happy holidays and I should start showing up a little more frequently in coming weeks. The place is coming together but man am I ever tired. lol
Cheers!
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 21:42:39
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Beepster: When you are ready then upgrade, Just know that when you do we got your back.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 21:43:59
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Right on, man. You guys rock. ;-)
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 22:10:20
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I think this is being over analyzed and made to sound unnecessarily complicated.
X2A installs a new microsoft redistributable library. This in itself is not specific to Windows 8. In fact any new Windows software written will require this library so it will be increasingly common in the next few months.
The OP's issue is most likely completely unrelated to this. As far as I read he went straight from X1 to X2A. If he is crashing on loading old projects, its possibly a plugin compat issue. Loading the project in safe mode and skipping plugins will help narrow down whats causing the crash. Or send in a problem report with the minidump and it will be investigated.
Yeah,the post drifted afar. Several folks indicated for him to go through safe mode and figure out which plugin was torpedoing his loads, and he was having some success with that. More importantly, even if the thread drifted, the original poster has had some good attempts at assisting him, and may alter his attitude toward Sonar - hopefully. He certainly sounded a bit cheerier than where he started. Bob Bone
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/25 22:28:54
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Do you guys all mind if I ask a really dumb question? Do most of you upgrade in place? The reason that I ask, is that I am still able to open projects that I created in ProAudio (pre-Sonar) in X1. It worked in Sonar 5, 6 and 8 too.
I have changed machines at least four times over the years, and I generally created bundle files of the projects. I would burn them to CD for later use, and they all seem to load. Of course, the effects and plugs change, but I can at least always get the projects to load with audio.
One thing to suggest to the OP: I have always had problems if I changed sample rate between projects. My older projects recorded in 44.1 won't play unless I set my hardware to deal with them.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/25 22:51:34
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tfbattag
Do you guys all mind if I ask a really dumb question? Do most of you upgrade in place? The reason that I ask, is that I am still able to open projects that I created in ProAudio (pre-Sonar) in X1. It worked in Sonar 5, 6 and 8 too.
I have changed machines at least four times over the years, and I generally created bundle files of the projects. I would burn them to CD for later use, and they all seem to load. Of course, the effects and plugs change, but I can at least always get the projects to load with audio.
One thing to suggest to the OP: I have always had problems if I changed sample rate between projects. My older projects recorded in 44.1 won't play unless I set my hardware to deal with them.
If thats a dumb question I would very much like to know what a smart question would be. I think you are very correct in every point you make. I too an able to load any project from any version with no problem. I have never changed my sample rate. Bit depth yes sample rate no. Interesting!
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/26 00:43:23
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@logic by any chance when you upgraded did you switch from 32-bit version to 64-biot or vice verse? I know when I tried running the projects I created with the 32-bit version, I ran into some issues because of plugins
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/26 10:21:56
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@logic by any chance when you upgraded did you switch from 32-bit version to 64-biot or vice verse? I know when I tried running the projects I created with the 32-bit version, I ran into some issues because of plugins
I am probably gonna take some heat for this but, I don't use 64 bit. even though I have over 4 gigs of Ram. I still use 32 bit for a lot of reasons. Sonar to me seems very stable and I have never had a lot of the issues I read about in here. I am not to saying it is because I use the 32 bit version. I do upgrade while the older version of Sonar is in still in place. That is good advice about setting up the hardware for the older files. Thanks for sharing that.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/26 20:03:41
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I had always kept a separate 32bit Sonar install until Sonar X2. I had seen the 64 bit advantage and now finally upgraded accordingly. I find 64 bit Sonar faster, slicker and more robust. Old 32 plugins actually still work better than I expected but I have simply decided to move on and away from those that that fail. Even my lovely liquid mix. I have upgraded my waves to version 9 and just abandoned the odd plugin that I was wedded too in 32 bit. No regrets. Lots of advantages.
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Re:Seriously fed up with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/26 20:50:51
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I switched 2 years ago from using Logic Audio to Sonar 8.5 Producer, then to X1 and X2.
It has been a frustrating mission to try and make music ever since...
Every time I think I'm getting close to knowing what I'm doing a new update comes along to mess things up. I'm desperately tried to re-load and work on 8.5 projects, then X1 projects and now X2 projects all in the space of 24 months! I wouldn't mind the fact that Cakewalk can't seem to make it's mind up about how to develop their software, but should I really be paying to trouble-shoot it for them?!!
My old projects just won't load, why don't they integrate!!
I've tried many times to load X1 projects in X2 and it just keeps crashing my system!
Cakewalk - why is your software so prone to bugs when you update/upgrade software?!!
So fed up as I have spent a fortune switching to your software and now I just wish I'd gone Mac...
No idea why you are having issues, but I have never found this to be a problem....I have updated full versions on serious projects and haven't skipped a beat... If you can do this in the middle of a TV show Cakewalk is doing something right....At least that has been my experience....best of luck.
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