logic2sonar
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Seriously fed up with Cakewalk Sonar
I switched 2 years ago from using Logic Audio to Sonar 8.5 Producer, then to X1 and X2. It has been a frustrating mission to try and make music ever since... Every time I think I'm getting close to knowing what I'm doing a new update comes along to mess things up. I'm desperately tried to re-load and work on 8.5 projects, then X1 projects and now X2 projects all in the space of 24 months! I wouldn't mind the fact that Cakewalk can't seem to make it's mind up about how to develop their software, but should I really be paying to trouble-shoot it for them?!! My old projects just won't load, why don't they integrate!! I've tried many times to load X1 projects in X2 and it just keeps crashing my system! Cakewalk - why is your software so prone to bugs when you update/upgrade software?!! So fed up as I have spent a fortune switching to your software and now I just wish I'd gone Mac...
post edited by logic2sonar - 2013/01/03 07:57:18
Windows 7 Ultimate (64 Bit) Service Pack 1
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Motu UltraLite mk3 Hybrid (Firewire External Sound device)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 (2.83 GHz)
ASUS P5Q3 WiFi Deluxe Motherboard ATI Radeon HD4800 Series Graphics 4GB DDR3 RAM 256GB Solid State System Drive
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/22 23:51:30
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How did you run Logic without a Mac? I hope you weren't using Logic 5 all these years.
Sonar is and always has been the most backward compatible DAW on the market.
All my old projects load fine in X2a.
Perhaps you could list what problems you are having and the system you are using. It would help us figure out what is going on in your case.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 02:00:11
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Poor Sonar! You are always being blamed!!
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 02:26:03
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Sounds like a plugin might be the cause. Use safe mode to load a project (Hold shift key down while opening the project) and disable them. I think the boards would be alive with more ranting than normal if old projects didn't load, so perhaps, just perhaps, it might be something on your system. 
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 03:32:56
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Mister original poster - you have been a Sonar user for 2 years now, and have only engaged in the forum for a total of 21 posts.
This forum is a wealth of information for those who are learning, and for those who are trying to work through problems and sometimes bugs.
If you do not post your issues, along with your system specs, nobody here will know you are needing help, and you will just build frustration needlessly.
Your rather grandiose conclusion that Sonar is not worth the bother is really more of an indication that you didn't bother - you didn't bother to participate in one of the more helpful forum communities out there, and now you are crying in your milk.
When you are ready to list your issues, with relevant details, folks here in the forum will work pretty hard to assist you with your problems. In the meantime, your dumping on Sonar because you didn't invest in getting help from the forum is pretty sadly comical.
When you are ready to engage us with specifics, we will respond with assistance.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 05:03:07
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I remember my old post......Sonar is becoming the best DAW and this recall many competitors troll posts.For curiosity X2a is awesome here.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 11:35:02
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☄ Helpfulby Lesthanzero 2013/10/04 16:29:48
I've tried many times to load X1 projects in X2 and it just keeps crashing my system! Stop blaming Sonar and start looking at your system. Either your computer is not up to par or you may have a bad memory chip or a virus or other malware that's causing the crashes. I'm not saying Sonar is crash free, but there's no way it should be crashing all the time. Please list your computer equipment and soundcard when you post.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 11:41:51
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I have loaded projects from Sonar 6 in X1 and X2 without issue. The problems you are suffering are not universal. Try fbb's suggestion of running Sonar in safe mode. If you would genuinely like help sorting it out, please post more information. There are people here who can help. This is NOT a general problem with Sonar, or it would affect all of us. As for having to re-learn software as it evolves, I do understand. Try watching some of the cake videos, particulary Seth's transitioning one, and maybe invest in one of the tutorial series videos in the Cake store. Let's get this sorted for Christmas. If, however, you are just trolling, then I wish you the Christmas you deserve.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 11:56:17
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Mister original poster - you have been a Sonar user for 2 years now, and have only engaged in the forum for a total of 21 posts.
Number of posts in this forum reveals nothing. Some posters with high post counts have contributed little to the collective pool of knowledge. There are, fur shur, hundreds of forums about the planet that are dedicated to CW software. I frequent some of them. Too bad my posts there do not count here. Need a universal CW posting account. The OP is obviously having at least 2 issues: s Smething not working correctly. The experience of the drastic change in the FUI that came with the X series. (And the stubborness, demonstrated with X2a, of the managers refusing to revert to stuff that actually were better ways of working..) The OP unfortunately has allowed the 2nd source of frustration to interfere with attempting to solve the first.
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logic2sonar
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 15:21:31
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My system specs were in my signature that for some reason didn't get added to post:
Win 7 Ultimate (64 Bit) - Sonar X2 Producer Expanded (no bug fixes installed)
M-Audio Delta 1010LT
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 (2.83 GHz)
ASUS P5Q3 Motherboard
ATI Radeon HD4800 Series Graphics
4GB DDR3 RAM
80GB Solid State System Drive
250GB SATA Storage Drive (7200 RPM)
I did a re-install of Windows a few months ago when I had a problem with using multiple Di Pro plugins, causing the sonarpdr.exe to constantly stop working. (As a side effect a lot of the projects were missing plugin settings - majorly frustrating trying to re-create all the sounds I'd lost). Learnt the hard way to save plugin settings! But not had any other Windows system problems.
I tried pressing shift to open project in safe mode but still won't respond?!
Sorry my frustrations are building up from constant time consuming problems, crashes and work-arounds. I'll try installing the X2a update and try again...
This forum is great for info - thanks for the tips!
Windows 7 Ultimate (64 Bit) Service Pack 1
Sonar X3 Producer (X3d patch installed)
Motu UltraLite mk3 Hybrid (Firewire External Sound device)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 (2.83 GHz)
ASUS P5Q3 WiFi Deluxe Motherboard ATI Radeon HD4800 Series Graphics 4GB DDR3 RAM 256GB Solid State System Drive
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 15:26:18
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logic: I runn Sonar x-2a on a asus P5Q with a q9550 win 7 32 bit.. it runns realy well and never crash's... maby we should go over your system !! this board requires this chipset driver to work properly, its old but works , perfect ... http://www.asus.com/Mothe...ket_775/P5Q3/#download .... Version 9.1.1.1014 ....3,72 (MBytes) 2009.07.17 update.... see your video drivers are up to date !! the latest bios is 1102 and there are meny memory issues/fix's !!
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 15:31:13
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A good way to be able to open old projects is to save every track as a wav and then you can open and remix them in whatever DAW you want, anytime in the future.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 15:37:42
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What are DI Pro plugins? I can't fine any reference to them on the net.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 16:16:44
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robert_e_bone
Mister original poster - you have been a Sonar user for 2 years now, and have only engaged in the forum for a total of 21 posts.
Number of posts in this forum reveals nothing. Some posters with high post counts have contributed little to the collective pool of knowledge.
There are, fur shur, hundreds of forums about the planet that are dedicated to CW software. I frequent some of them. Too bad my posts there do not count here. Need a universal CW posting account.
The OP is obviously having at least 2 issues: s
Smething not working correctly.
The experience of the drastic change in the FUI that came with the X series.
(And the stubborness, demonstrated with X2a, of the managers refusing to revert to stuff that actually were better ways of working..)
The OP unfortunately has allowed the 2nd source of frustration to interfere with attempting to solve the first.
I agree with you completely on a high post count not meaning quality. (I certainly have posted some dumb things - usually from my doing: errant read of a post, tired and either crabby or in a hurry and not thinking). My point on the low post count was not about his content, my point was that he had simply not engaged in any form over a two-year span. So, he may have a whole raft of issues that are aggravating him to the point of posting as he did here, but because he never posted these issues nobody was ever able to see that he was having likely fixable problems, the result of which may have been less of an angry post than he did here. I don't always explain things well the first time around - please substitute any sense from this explanation for my original posted thoughts on this - thanks, Bob Bone
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 17:24:29
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Sounds like your OS registry is probably a mess, and it's not just something a normal registry cleaner can deal with, so try this. Run 'Re-Image' once and your OS will be literally 'brand-new' again. Whenever i'm having these sorts of problems which are not wide spread then i run Re-Image and wallah everything starts running normally.
It is $69 for one license or $99 for 3 licenses and it really works, it's the only OS fix-it software in the world that can do better than an expert human technician.
A lot of people are not aware of just how badly Windows corrupts itself within a relatively short period of time just from everyday normal use. I run Re-Image once a month and many times Re-image has had to completely replace over a thousand OS files all relating to application paths and file extensions etc etc. Please if this does fix your problem be sure to come back and tell as a testimonial, i would be glad to hear the good news.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 17:32:39
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John
What are DI Pro plugins? I can't fine any reference to them on the net.
You'd have to be pretty DIM not to realise a typo when you see one. Grum.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 17:37:52
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John
What are DI Pro plugins? I can't fine any reference to them on the net.
You'd have to be pretty DIM not to realise a typo when you see one.
I don't know what X2 Producer Expanded is though.
Grum.
Well I am DIM often. But without having some notion what is going on with the OP's setup I'm not too sure this forum can help. And yes it could be Dimension Pro or something else. Right now I don't know for sure.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 17:49:27
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I think most of us have had some problem or other over the years - I certainly have - but Sonar has always been useable to a degree. The fact that it will work perfectly for some suggests that the right pc set up is out there somewhere.
Grum.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 18:41:18
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logic2sonar
Assuming you're not here just to troll (though your original choice of thread title makes me wonder.....), a suggestion that might (or might not) help.
For what it's worth, I can load projects created under Sonar 8.x.x and X1 into X2 without problems. If there was a general/widespread problem loading pre-X2 projects into X2 without X2 crashing I suspect this forum would be alive with it. It isn't.
You say you're running Sonar 64bit, but in only 4GB of Ram. I'm wondering if that's enough for what you're doing. Multiple instances of Dim Pro can use lots of RAM, depending on the sounds loaded. Some Session Drummer kits use loads of RAM as well. DAWs do not like being in an environment where they are squeezed for resources.
I ran X1 in 4GB without problems, but apart from Session Drummer I use hardware synths so I don't usually have synths or large sample libraries filling up RAM.
I suggest getting Windows Task Manager or the resource monitor up and running and see how much RAM your're actually using as you load multiple Dim Pros/whatever.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 19:00:30
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I hate like heck to put more wood on the fire as Sonar is my DAW of choice. That said, I sincerely believe it's a bit more senstitive than any of the other DAWs I use and I'm starting to see this now with each new version of Sonar. For example, I have a few plugin issues that are Sonar specific. These plugs behave perfectly in my other 2 back-up DAWs. I can't use the Sonar "effect tails" when recording at 64 samples via ASIO without having the audio engine stop on me when I press stop after recording. This drives me mad and doesn't happen in any other DAW. So though the OP may have other problems that we might be able to fix, I'd agree with him that there are a few anomalies within Sonar that you don't see in some of its competition. If I didn't see it myself, I'd never make a mention of it...but they definitely exist in my realm. -Danny
post edited by Danny Danzi - 2012/12/23 19:20:32
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 19:18:15
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My only point here was that without telling us what is wrong we can't help.
He has now posted his specs above, and has listed some content for issues, so I will review and assist, if I can.
Bob Bone
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 19:37:37
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OK, so Logic - let's start with a thorough review of your system, as per Startekh's post above.
Please ensure all of your system components are up to date with any maintenance available for them, including system BIOS, video card, motherboard chipset, audio, optical drive - sometimes your DVD drives have new firmware releases, and as long as your looking at the rest of it, go ahead and check there too.
I did a re-install this summer, of Windows 7, and of course all of my applications, and I had some song-specific Kontakt instances with each having as many as 6-7 loaded instruments in a multi-rack with output routing names renamed and assigned to various midi channels - I lost all of those two - I agree, that sucked. But, I did reason through it, and really I should have known better to save the multi-racks.
Anyways, please post back with results after doing the above, and I will try to assist you this evening, if I can.
Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/23 22:28:38
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One thing I did that has made my experience better is to delete a bunch of freebie VSTs that I rarely if ever used. It made it easier to find the ones I did use, but it also decluttered my Sonar and I am having fewer crashes than ever.
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 00:18:02
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logic2sonar
My system specs were in my signature that for some reason didn't get added to post:
Win 7 Ultimate (64 Bit) - Sonar X2 Producer Expanded (no bug fixes installed)
M-Audio Delta 1010LT
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 (2.83 GHz)
ASUS P5Q3 Motherboard
ATI Radeon HD4800 Series Graphics
4GB DDR3 RAM
80GB Solid State System Drive
250GB SATA Storage Drive (7200 RPM)
I did a re-install of Windows a few months ago when I had a problem with using multiple Di Pro plugins, causing the sonarpdr.exe to constantly stop working. (As a side effect a lot of the projects were missing plugin settings - majorly frustrating trying to re-create all the sounds I'd lost). Learnt the hard way to save plugin settings! But not had any other Windows system problems.
I tried pressing shift to open project in safe mode but still won't respond?!
Sorry my frustrations are building up from constant time consuming problems, crashes and work-arounds. I'll try installing the X2a update and try again...
This forum is great for info - thanks for the tips!
I dealt with this issue. First you might want to install some bug fixes even if you just install the quick fix you are solving a lot of issues. It turned out for me to be the drivers for the delta 1010LT card. There are two sets of drivers that came up within the search in Google. One was for windows 7 and the other was for windows 7 with the service pack. Make sure you have the latest drivers if you have the service pack installed. Version 6.08 I believe. http://www.m-audio.com/in...ort.drivers&f=1225 or http://www.m-audio.com/in...c4b&keywords=#tabs The guy I was doing session work with had windows 7 and he had old drivers for Windows 7, but he was operating windows 7 SP 1. After the Service pack was installed he was having trouble with his delta card. He was using older drivers for windows 7. It did not matter what DAW he used he had all the same problems on every DAW. Even windows media player would not work right. This hardware require updated windows drivers for SP1. The X2a update also installs something from Microsoft, Visual C++ Redistributable 2012 11. something. If you are having install issues for X2a make sure you have the required service packs and updated drivers before you install X2a. Once X2a is installed don't forget to reset the vst plug ins and do a new plug in scan. A lot of people who are having plug in issues miss that step. Older projects load just fine for me. What may appear to be a registry problem may likely be issues related to the drivers, or it may be that the quick fix is not installed. Click on the first link I gave you and check out all the fixes M-audio did. Did you install X2 32 bit or 64 bit?
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 05:25:30
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I used to use Logic too in the all good times when Emagic owned it and Logic were a pioneer.
Later when the food company "Apple" bought it it slide down the hill fast.
I use it sometimes in other studio but nothing new has actually happened the last 10 years it's almost slow as Pro Tools on adding new stuff to their platform. So yes I understand that you feel that it goes fast with SONAR, Cubase, Studio One and all other modern platforms that actually still evolves and add new things every update.
Example Pro Tools HD, the only new thing that happen in 10 years time is non destructible "Clip base" faders and "Clp Gain" + now you can record and work in 32bit floating too. I forget you can color the mixerpage too. 4 new things in over 10 years time? Still not x64 software?
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 05:37:10
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I was having all sorts of issues with my Delta 1010 card.
Dreadful dreadful drivers for 64 bit.
My work around? I bought a MOTU express and Sonar now rarely crashes at all.
Sonar Platinum 64 bit > Pro tools 10.3.2 >Intel i7 3770K > 16Gb Ram > Gigabyte Z77-D3H Motherboard> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2 GB > ATi RADEON HD5700 > 240GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD> Win 10 home 64 bit> Delta 1010 > MOTU Audio Express > MA-15D's > NI Ultimate 9 > NI Kontrol S61 1.1 > NI MAschine Studio 2.3 / KORG MS-20 Mini - Arturia MicroBrute > KORG SQ1 - KORG Kaoss Pad KP3 > iPad and IO Dock 2 running various bits > Bunch of guitars >Sound Design on IMDB --
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 05:52:19
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Freddie Emagic was great company and Logic was a great DAW. Now CW is beating it into the ground. I liked how you said that. 
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 08:44:55
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logic2sonar
My system specs were in my signature that for some reason didn't get added to post:
Win 7 Ultimate (64 Bit) - Sonar X2 Producer Expanded (no bug fixes installed)
M-Audio Delta 1010LT
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 (2.83 GHz)
ASUS P5Q3 Motherboard
ATI Radeon HD4800 Series Graphics
4GB DDR3 RAM
80GB Solid State System Drive
250GB SATA Storage Drive (7200 RPM)
I did a re-install of Windows a few months ago when I had a problem with using multiple Di Pro plugins, causing the sonarpdr.exe to constantly stop working. (As a side effect a lot of the projects were missing plugin settings - majorly frustrating trying to re-create all the sounds I'd lost). Learnt the hard way to save plugin settings! But not had any other Windows system problems.
I tried pressing shift to open project in safe mode but still won't respond?!
Sorry my frustrations are building up from constant time consuming problems, crashes and work-around. I'll try installing the X2a update and try again...
This forum is great for info - thanks for the tips!
I almost forgot this - should have mentioned it earlier. If you go back into the Edit Profile, then click on the Signature tab, where you had entered your specs, down below is a check box you will need to check to tell the forum to attach your signature to your posts. That will have your specs then attached to all future posts. Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 09:57:13
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Thanks for all your comments and advice.
First a few short answers:
Di Pro = Dimension Pro synth plugin, (sorry I used the abbreviation I have seen it used on here before but can understand full details always help in trouble shooting issues).
Bob - that check box was ticked on signature not sure why system specs didn't appear, but it did appear on my last post when I went and copied and pasted them (?!!)
Great tip - I managed to load old project into X2 using shift, (got some pop up boxes and said 'ok' to them but nothing really looked like 'safe mode'. I'll now try disabling all plugins and switching on one at a time and see which one stops it loading...
Not 'trolling' whatever that means - I just hit a wall of frustration, (which I'm sure we have all had at some time or another!)
My point about Logic vs Sonar was that it just worked, I used it for years on a PC and did end up using 5.5 on a PC with XP, (this is still on my old computer and I still use it from time to time and is very stable).
I agree that probably most of my problems could be Windows/PC related, (I will update all chipset, Bios etc after Xmas), but that was partly my original point - perhaps if I'd invested in my first ever Mac with Logic I wouldn't be having these issues all the time? Also I haven't been that impressed with M-Audio soundcard and have been thinking of switching to Motu...
I get the point that Apple haven't really done much to Logic over the years and are slow to update it as well with 'sexy' new features, but maybe Cakewalk should learn from this a bit. I get seduced with the constant new gizmos which will improve my projects and creativity, but then end up spending ages troubleshooting the side effects or installing patches/updates
Bottom line is I want to spend my time composing and recording - not trawling the internet for solutions to problems.
When it works Sonar is amazing and sounds great - just messes with my head and leads me away from creativity and into technical support too often!
Thanks for all your advice - Merry Christmas!
Windows 7 Ultimate (64 Bit) Service Pack 1
Sonar X3 Producer (X3d patch installed)
Motu UltraLite mk3 Hybrid (Firewire External Sound device)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 (2.83 GHz)
ASUS P5Q3 WiFi Deluxe Motherboard ATI Radeon HD4800 Series Graphics 4GB DDR3 RAM 256GB Solid State System Drive
250GB SATA Storage Drive (7200 RPM)
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Re:Seriously don't bother with Cakewalk Sonar
2012/12/24 10:34:16
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Well, rather than let a level of frustration fester and grow, post the issues you have here in the forum, and maybe a bunch of them can get resolved. The key there is to post the issues. There are a lot of folks here in the forum, and if there are setup/use issues present, there is a good chance that more than one person will know how to help you.
There are times when not installing a service pack might not be seen to be harmful, but there are times when things simply must move forward internally, such as with X2a and beyond.
I would recommend that for projects you are having trouble with, to go ahead and do the safe mode, disabling/enabling plugins until you find out which ones are interfering with things. It is a pain, but it does work.
Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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