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Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
I must have entered an alternate universe, cause it makes no sense that the basics not are there on the Big Stick in My Eye, otherwise know as the controlbar. They could have at least been on one of the modules available to be shown or hidden. (Better yet, there should be user-defined toolbars with said basic buttons available.) P.S. Oh, and if anyone is listening, when I finally do navigate to Cut (or be so lucky as to click on that little button with the scissors, you know what I mean) guess what I want to do, I'll give you a hint, I want to CUT. What I do NOT want to do is answer yet another question or two. You could make that another option, like Safety Cut (get it?..you know - safety scissors.)
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/22 19:25:25
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User defined keycuts are 50 times quicker.....
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/22 19:26:49
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/22 20:13:50
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User defined keycuts are 50 times quicker.....
Only if you use SONAR so frequently that you learn them by heart. Only one session per week or less and you maybe never learn them well enough for a fluent workflow.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/22 20:46:44
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Save, cut and paste keyboard shortcuts are the same as they are in any Windows based program, i.e. ctrl-S, ctrl-x, ctrl-v etc. I'm really surprised when people don't know these, they are Windows basics.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/22 20:57:29
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If you want these buttons in X1/X2 right now, check out the Duckbar program which gives you a customizable toolbar (buttons) as well as extensive control of the colors and "other" appearance of all things Sonar... This is not a Cakewalk program and it is a free utility made by a talented and gracious Sonar user.... You can find more info here: http://www.sonarmods.com/forum/index.php Tho I use keyboard shortcuts most of the time, there are a few I often find handy to have on a button so that depending on the various hand needs (playing an instrument or the likes) I can access many commands graphically which Sonar itself no longer offers <sad>... Check it out.... Easy to use and works well! Keni
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 05:26:07
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sharke
Save, cut and paste keyboard shortcuts are the same as they are in any Windows based program, i.e. ctrl-S, ctrl-x, ctrl-v etc. I'm really surprised when people don't know these, they are Windows basics.
Talking about those three, yes, it's difficult not to learn them if you do any kind of PC-work outside of playing games. But if you don't create texts, edit pictures or video, or you do those only a few times a year, you maybe never get aqquainted to any shortcuts, because you simply don't come to think of them.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 05:58:25
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Save = Ctrl + s
Cut = Ctrl + x
Copy = Ctrl + c
Paste = Ctrl + V
ALL of these are standard with any Windows programs
Undo = Ctrl + z
Redo = Ctrl + Shift + z
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 06:36:37
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Bristol_Jonesey
Save = Ctrl + s
Cut = Ctrl + x
Copy = Ctrl + c
Paste = Ctrl + V
ALL of these are standard with any Windows programs
Undo = Ctrl + z
Redo = Ctrl + Shift + z
And more importantly have been so since Windows first hit the market.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 07:56:24
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Uh... even if you don't want to use shortcuts why the heck would you want to waste extra screen space on cut/copy/paste buttons when you can keep the cursor in one spot and right click?
If simple stuff like this is making you rage out you might as well just pack it in because it gets WAY more complex.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 10:33:30
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I honestly could not even imagine what it would be like to be pressing icons in the toolbar to cut/copy/paste.
I mean I know I did once apon a time, but that seems like black and white film days.
like 1950's technology.
sorry nothing against the original poster here.
but its soooo much easier to use keyboard shortcuts to do all this rather than running my mouse all over the screen clicking on icons 1000 times a project.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 10:45:50
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twanger
I must have entered an alternate universe, cause it makes no sense that the basics not are there on the Big Stick in My Eye, otherwise know as the controlbar. They could have at least been on one of the modules available to be shown or hidden. (Better yet, there should be user-defined toolbars with said basic buttons available.) P.S. Oh, and if anyone is listening, when I finally do navigate to Cut (or be so lucky as to click on that little button with the scissors, you know what I mean) guess what I want to do, I'll give you a hint, I want to CUT. What I do NOT want to do is answer yet another question or two. You could make that another option, like Safety Cut (get it?..you know - safety scissors.)
Do you seriously wish the menu bars to be cluttered with useless stuff that is completely second nature in hundreds of Windows applications?... or do you actually live in a universe where Ctrl C, Ctrl V, Ctrl S are not used?....
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vintagevibe
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 10:56:46
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Not having undo/redo icons is a PITA. Just one of may functions removed since 8.5. They seem to be following Apple - less choice is somehow better.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 11:24:30
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Do you seriously wish the menu bars to be cluttered with useless stuff that is completely second nature in hundreds of Windows applications?... or do you actually live in a universe where Ctrl C, Ctrl V, Ctrl S are not used?....
That is the whole point of customizable toolbars. You just have the tools that are useful to you and not ones you will not use. If you don't use the toolbar at all you hide it. I never used the cut and paste icons, and I seldom use the shortcuts either. The right click edit menu is my preferred MO. I do however support the idea of customizable toolbars.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 12:23:11
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chuckebaby
I honestly could not even imagine what it would be like to be pressing icons in the toolbar to cut/copy/paste.
I mean I know I did once apon a time, but that seems like black and white film days.
like 1950's technology.
sorry nothing against the original poster here.
but its soooo much easier to use keyboard shortcuts to do all this rather than running my mouse all over the screen clicking on icons 1000 times a project.
That's why we need customizable toolbars. So you can have what you like and other people can have what they like. What works best for you may not be best for others. Unless you think everyone should be forced to work your way because it's the right way.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 12:44:59
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I have a Contour Shuttle PRO V2 and have buttons programmed for these functions. So instead of having to use a two finger salute, I just press one button. My shuttle has drivers for many programs including Sonar and Sound Forge. www.contourdesign.com
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 12:56:52
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vintagevibe
That's why we need customizable toolbars. So you can have what you like and other people can have what they like. What works best for you may not be best for others. Unless you think everyone should be forced to work your way because it's the right way.
When I'm making music I prefer not to be typing on a keyboard. If I want to type on a keyboard I'll open up word and write a nice letter to my mother. Otherwise I don't want to be bothered with tippy tap typing on a device that has zero to do with the music making process at that particular time. Similarly, when I'm doing some heavy editing I prefer not to be sitting at a piano keyboard or have a guitar hanging around my neck or a pair of drumsticks in my hands. Those things get in the way of tippy tap typing on the computer keyboard. Why is this so difficult? The UI needs to support the variety of ways the software is expected to be used. One set of colors, one big toolbar, one way of accessing key functions = design fail. My opinion, of course.
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Paul P
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 13:12:04
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FCCfirstclass : "I have a Contour Shuttle PRO V2 "
Thanks for this. I've been thinking that it would be nice to put my left hand to work
and had something like this in mind, though I didn't know one existed.
You can program it for any command you want in Sonar ?
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 13:34:53
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Just curious. How do Windows 8 users copy and paste clips in Sonar? Touch-select the clip and then? (or just drag?)
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2013/03/23 13:56:41
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Just curious. How do Windows 8 users copy and paste clips in Sonar? Touch-select the clip and then? (or just drag?)
The touch stuff doesn't cover everything so there's still need for keyboard/mouse actions. Don't know if that applies to cut/paste though. If not there might be specific touch gestures to do it or you select then use the menus. Aside from just moving faders and whatnot I'd find using a touchscreen in Sonar more trouble than it's worth.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 14:18:08
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When I'm making music I prefer not to be typing on a keyboard. If I want to type on a keyboard I'll open up word and write a nice letter to my mother. Otherwise I don't want to be bothered with tippy tap typing on a device that has zero to do with the music making process at that particular time. Interesting statement... I've never considered a mouse to be any more musical than a keyboard - they're both just computer interface devices.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 14:20:34
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When I'm making music I prefer not to be typing on a keyboard. If I want to type on a keyboard I'll open up word and write a nice letter to my mother. Otherwise I don't want to be bothered with tippy tap typing on a device that has zero to do with the music making process at that particular time.
Interesting statement... I've never considered a mouse to be any more musical than a keyboard - they're both just computer interface devices.
A keyboard requires looking away from the screen. A mouse requires looking at the screen.
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2013/03/23 15:32:23
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vintagevibe : "A keyboard requires looking away from the screen."
That's the real problem with using the pc keyboard.
Sure you can use it without looking, but you first have to zero in on the dimpled F and/or J keys (or the corner of the keyboard) and go from there.
That's what makes something like FFCfirstclass's thing so interesting. The buttons are positioned in a way that makes recognition easy without looking.
I've been wanting something like that so I can rest my left hand on it while my right hand is on the mouse.
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2013/03/23 17:15:41
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vintagevibe : "A keyboard requires looking away from the screen."
That's the real problem with using the pc keyboard.
Sure you can use it without looking, but you first have to zero in on the dimpled F and/or J keys (or the corner of the keyboard) and go from there.
That's what makes something like FFCfirstclass's thing so interesting. The buttons are positioned in a way that makes recognition easy without looking.
I've been wanting something like that so I can rest my left hand on it while my right hand is on the mouse.
That's why it's really annoying that Sonar now makes you constantly look at the keyboard.
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2013/03/23 19:40:48
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That's why it's really annoying that Sonar now makes you constantly look at the keyboard. I think it's amazing how differently people work. Looking at the keyboard, when I need to, doesn't bother me at all and doesn't seem to take anything away from what I'm doing. I actually prefer it over constantly mousing to icons. Which is why a custom toolbar would be ideal. 
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Keni
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/23 20:37:50
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While I'm a big advocate of judicial use of screen real estate... I find that sometimes a circumstance makes a particular method more accessible... So tho I mostly use shortcuts there are often times when a button helps...
...and as to wasting screen real estate? The X generation has already done more than it's share of this while at least leaving otherwise "useless space" which I kindly use for my buttons... ;-)
In the skylight frame itself, the right hand portion is mostly blank.... My buttons sit comfortably out of the way in plain sight there without covering anything...
<sheesh>... Wasting screen real estate? That's the job of Lanes! ;-)
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2013/03/23 20:44:43
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stevec
That's why it's really annoying that Sonar now makes you constantly look at the keyboard.
I think it's amazing how differently people work. Looking at the keyboard, when I need to, doesn't bother me at all and doesn't seem to take anything away from what I'm doing. I actually prefer it over constantly mousing to icons.
Which is why a custom toolbar would be ideal.
Strongly agree.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/24 17:25:28
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In the touch system you hold your finger on something for a second until a circle appears. Pulling off quickly brings up the menu of a right click, a little slower will bring up the left click menu. Then point to where you want to paste (if that was your intention) pull off the circle and hit paste. And I'm still using the keyboard and mouse too. Which one I use is dependant on where I happen to be at the time. So all in all, it has added another way without taking the older away. Honestly, until I started reading these threads, I hadn't even noticed the icons were gone.
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Re:Seriously - no Save, Cut, Paste, Undo buttons.. Is this for real ? Just say NOOOOO
2013/03/24 17:50:25
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This was discussed when X1 came out and was well treated on this forum. Sonar Plus an add on from Benstat was for adding buttons to X1 as a result. That is no longer available. I was a strong promoter of it but now I don't miss it. I have adjusted to the way X1/X2 works.
As for a custom module for adding user buttons, I'm not too sure that is such a great idea. I would not oppose it but I do believe its unnecessary.
What I do think though is that those that are just now acquainting themselves with X1/X2 need to put aside any preconceptions and learn how to use it as it is.
You may find that it actually works better and faster as many have already found.
I would advise you to stop finding reasons to not like X2 and find reasons to like it.
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2013/03/24 18:15:54
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John
What I do think though is that those that are just now acquainting themselves with X1/X2 need to put aside any preconceptions and learn how to use it as it is.
You may find that it actually works better and faster as many have already found.
I'm one of those that is finding it better, faster and easier. The DAW, Cakewalk VSTs, and the touch interface. Loving it. :)
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