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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 10:18:43
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I completely agree with the message (minus the language) and admire Sinead's courage to openly state it. Hopefuly, Miley will take some note of it.....
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 10:23:30
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Of course, it was posted in Reddit, and most of the 13 year olds who frequent there defended Miey and said its ok to make money like that
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 10:43:49
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Of course, it was posted in Reddit, and most of the 13 year olds who frequent there defended Miey and said its ok to make money like that
I wouldn't doubt it one bit. It's so sad to see these 13 yr olds accepting and defending this kind of behavior.......they're already corrupted at such a young age. A complete opposite of when I was growing up at 13. I am soooooo glad we're homeschooling our children.........trying our best to preserve their innocence and give them a chance to be "children".
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 12:20:06
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I'll always be on the other side of the fence. This is the life you choose....exploit how you wish. It's the entertainment business. YOU choose how to entertain and how far to go. When you're an adult....kids should be supervised and blocked from seeing you if you are someone that would not be considered a role model.
Seriously.....it's time to stop making excuses and start parenting. The problem with this world (other than politicians that have ruined our America) is people are too young to be parents and can't take care of themselves let alone a child. Just go to a Burger King. In 10 seconds you'll see and hear kids running all over the store making noise while the parents sit there on cell phones ignoring that their children are making my dinner unpleasant to the point of me getting up and yelling at the top of my lungs "THIS IS REALLY ANNOYING" and then they get them under control.
Also, this is the 2000's. Old school mentaliy in a new world is not the answer. Meaning, acceptance. These days....Sinead should take a look at herself. She'd probably fail in today's times. It's not about talent. Miley knows this. Miley knows the business more than Sinead ever will. Remember, her father is Billy Ray....Miley knows about the business and doesn't need anyone telling her how to make money. So what if she acts out sexual stuff and makes good bread? Don't watch it. Stop your kids from watching it. This is America ffs where we allow the sludge of the world to come into our country and ruin it, sell drugs, murder innocent people.....yet it's so wrong for a young WOMAN (she is an adult) to decide for herself how she wants to make a living? If you ask me....if anyone has it right, it's Miley. How a person decides to make a living is on them. You have choices....look or don't look. Entertain or don't entertain. Hope you survive with talent alone in a world like we have today or work at Macy's. The choices are all there in front of us. No one is being forced on anything.
I also totally disagree about young girls looking up to Miley. Again, where are the parents? Parent to child: "Hannah is no more. She is now Miley Cyrus and is doing things to entertain adults. When you are older you can check her out, but right now you will not be allowed to buy her records or watch her perform or I will have to punish you." End of story...be a parent or don't have kids.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 12:59:20
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Danny, do you have kids? Just curious.
I have a daughter. I try not to judge and with her, I default to yes. If she wants to build robots, we do. Record bubbles? Yep.
I read enormous amounts to her, and usually the things that perplex her the most are ideas.
I'm a parent which means to me that I strive to teach and protect.
I'm hopeful that love guides her actions now and in the future. It is what guides me when I'm in my right mind.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 12:59:58
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I'll always be on the other side of the fence. This is the life you choose....exploit how you wish. It's the entertainment business. YOU choose how to entertain and how far to go. When you're an adult....kids should be supervised and blocked from seeing you if you are someone that would not be considered a role model.
Seriously.....it's time to stop making excuses and start parenting. The problem with this world (other than politicians that have ruined our America) is people are too young to be parents and can't take care of themselves let alone a child. Just go to a Burger King. In 10 seconds you'll see and hear kids running all over the store making noise while the parents sit there on cell phones ignoring that their children are making my dinner unpleasant to the point of me getting up and yelling at the top of my lungs "THIS IS REALLY ANNOYING" and then they get them under control.
Also, this is the 2000's. Old school mentaliy in a new world is not the answer. Meaning, acceptance. These days....Sinead should take a look at herself. She'd probably fail in today's times. It's not about talent. Miley knows this. Miley knows the business more than Sinead ever will. Remember, her father is Billy Ray....Miley knows about the business and doesn't need anyone telling her how to make money. So what if she acts out sexual stuff and makes good bread? Don't watch it. Stop your kids from watching it. This is America ffs where we allow the sludge of the world to come into our country and ruin it, sell drugs, murder innocent people.....yet it's so wrong for a young WOMAN (she is an adult) to decide for herself how she wants to make a living? If you ask me....if anyone has it right, it's Miley. How a person decides to make a living is on them. You have choices....look or don't look. Entertain or don't entertain. Hope you survive with talent alone in a world like we have today or work at Macy's. The choices are all there in front of us. No one is being forced on anything.
I also totally disagree about young girls looking up to Miley. Again, where are the parents? Parent to child: "Hannah is no more. She is now Miley Cyrus and is doing things to entertain adults. When you are older you can check her out, but right now you will not be allowed to buy her records or watch her perform or I will have to punish you." End of story...be a parent or don't have kids.
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The age at which people have kids makes a hell of a lot of difference. I'm not saying that everyone who has kids at a young age raises monsters because obviously there are exceptions, but it's just common sense. In the first few years of life, a child is like a tape recorder and soaks up everything. Language, behavior, attitudes. It's what shapes their core. So it's bound to make a difference when they're absorbing all of their cues from 18 year old parents as opposed to 30 year old parents. The difference in maturity between an 18 year old and a 30 year old is huge (in most cases). And then of course those kids grow up and have kids at 18 themselves and the whole thing just gets worse. It's not uncommon to be a grandparent at 40 these days.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 13:34:08
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Danny, do you have kids? Just curious.
I have a daughter. I try not to judge and with her, I default to yes. If she wants to build robots, we do. Record bubbles? Yep.
I read enormous amounts to her, and usually the things that perplex her the most are ideas.
I'm a parent which means to me that I strive to teach and protect.
I'm hopeful that love guides her actions now and in the future. It is what guides me when I'm in my right mind.
No I don't have kids, but I have enough kids that I deal with here in my community on a daily basis. My house/back yard has always been the kid community. I know more about these kids (all flavors of kids too...black, white, puerto rican, oriental) than their own parents...so in a sense, you can say I have kids. I've parented them, listened to them, given them money, taken them places, given advice, taken advice and have strong-armed them when there was a necessity to do so. I too teach and protect. I have no other choice since their own parents have sort of abandoned them due to having kids too early and not realizing how much of a responsibility it is. I'm simply blown away at the lack of parenting to where we blame society on our kids ending up in bad places. Though there IS that possibility, having parents that know how to parent can make a huge difference. It's like saying "Miley made my daughter a prostitute" is any more true than "that gun there killed my son". Speaking of society...here's a little about me. From 5th grade on, drugs were available to me. Speed, ludes, meth, weed. By the time I was in 8th grade, people were getting high regularly. You were a dork if you didn't have sex by the 7th grade. You were an outcast if you didn't take a hit off a joint on the 8th grade school trips. You were a punk if you didn't fight back when you were pushed around. You were challenged on a daily basis. You'd be scared to death all day in school that the bully that threatened you would be waiting for you when you got off the bus. You hoped he got side-tracked and forgot...but he never did. You were so scared you'd literally come close to peeing in your pants until that first punch broke your lip open and you felt pain and heard children laugh, scream and cheer. I'd call that stress times 10000. The last thing on my mind in MY world would be some kid star turned adult turning me into something. I think it's all BS and overly hyped as an excuse for poor parenting....present company excluded. -Danny
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 13:38:22
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Danny Danzi
I'll always be on the other side of the fence. This is the life you choose....exploit how you wish. It's the entertainment business. YOU choose how to entertain and how far to go. When you're an adult....kids should be supervised and blocked from seeing you if you are someone that would not be considered a role model.
Seriously.....it's time to stop making excuses and start parenting. The problem with this world (other than politicians that have ruined our America) is people are too young to be parents and can't take care of themselves let alone a child. Just go to a Burger King. In 10 seconds you'll see and hear kids running all over the store making noise while the parents sit there on cell phones ignoring that their children are making my dinner unpleasant to the point of me getting up and yelling at the top of my lungs "THIS IS REALLY ANNOYING" and then they get them under control.
Also, this is the 2000's. Old school mentaliy in a new world is not the answer. Meaning, acceptance. These days....Sinead should take a look at herself. She'd probably fail in today's times. It's not about talent. Miley knows this. Miley knows the business more than Sinead ever will. Remember, her father is Billy Ray....Miley knows about the business and doesn't need anyone telling her how to make money. So what if she acts out sexual stuff and makes good bread? Don't watch it. Stop your kids from watching it. This is America ffs where we allow the sludge of the world to come into our country and ruin it, sell drugs, murder innocent people.....yet it's so wrong for a young WOMAN (she is an adult) to decide for herself how she wants to make a living? If you ask me....if anyone has it right, it's Miley. How a person decides to make a living is on them. You have choices....look or don't look. Entertain or don't entertain. Hope you survive with talent alone in a world like we have today or work at Macy's. The choices are all there in front of us. No one is being forced on anything.
I also totally disagree about young girls looking up to Miley. Again, where are the parents? Parent to child: "Hannah is no more. She is now Miley Cyrus and is doing things to entertain adults. When you are older you can check her out, but right now you will not be allowed to buy her records or watch her perform or I will have to punish you." End of story...be a parent or don't have kids.
-Danny
The age at which people have kids makes a hell of a lot of difference. I'm not saying that everyone who has kids at a young age raises monsters because obviously there are exceptions, but it's just common sense. In the first few years of life, a child is like a tape recorder and soaks up everything. Language, behavior, attitudes. It's what shapes their core. So it's bound to make a difference when they're absorbing all of their cues from 18 year old parents as opposed to 30 year old parents. The difference in maturity between an 18 year old and a 30 year old is huge (in most cases). And then of course those kids grow up and have kids at 18 themselves and the whole thing just gets worse. It's not uncommon to be a grandparent at 40 these days.
That's exactly what I was talking about Sharke.....great post!
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 14:09:04
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I never have problems with annoying people at fast food places. Of course, I'm 6' 4", 250 lbs. and I like to bring a bloody chainsaw into the restaurant with me...  (As for the actual topic, anyone who knows about Sinead also knows that she's not exactly one who's qualified to tell others how to live and act.)
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 14:24:49
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I have to say Sinead O'Connor is brilliant in offering up her advice to Miley like this! But not because of anything she said - because she is starting an American tour next month and, until now, nobody has mentioned her name for 15 years or so. But thanks to Miley's tongue (and other parts), she can get endless free publicity! Or am I too cynical? 
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 14:32:05
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I have to say Sinead O'Connor is brilliant in offering up her advice to Miley like this!
But not because of anything she said - because she is starting an American tour next month and, until now, nobody has mentioned her name for 15 years or so.
But thanks to Miley's tongue (and other parts), she can get endless free publicity!
Or am I too cynical?
Nope. Not at all. In the past she's cut all her head off to get noticed, maybe this time she'll try cutting her entire head off? That would at least be something new... 
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 15:22:59
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I have to say Sinead O'Connor is brilliant in offering up her advice to Miley like this!
But not because of anything she said - because she is starting an American tour next month and, until now, nobody has mentioned her name for 15 years or so.
But thanks to Miley's tongue (and other parts), she can get endless free publicity!
Or am I too cynical?
Have to admit that I thought this before I even read it. I think she would be better employed tackling hunger in thirld world countries. After all, she has managed to dine out for 25 years on the back of one cover version.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 18:25:45
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I'm finding myself agreeing a lot with what Danny and Sharke have said here.
And when push comes to shove, it's all about taking responsibility.
When you're an adult, you have to take responsibility for your actions.
When you have kids, or you're in charge of others' children/minors, or those unfortunate enough not to be able to make decisions for themselves, then you have to take responsibility for their actions.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 20:53:45
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Parenting is a crapshoot.
I was a young father at 19 (and not a very good one) and my kids turned out great.
I've known fantastic fathers and their kids became drug addicts and criminals.
As I remember parenting was fairly easy during the pre-teens; After that friends and school mates became the major influence; mostly a negative one.
Especially considering the direction this country is heading, it might be a good idea to wait til your mid/late twenties before having kids
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/03 21:00:35
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Can I just say, that childhood and adolescence is a 20th century construct. Education is the key, I ignore Miley, I think if we all ignored her, she wouldn't get any traction. I would not be listening to an ignorant, ex catholic self-righteous individual like Sinead. For one did anyone hear of the story where she served broccoli at her kids birthday party. Again people education!!
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2013/10/03 21:30:18
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I am soooooo glad we're homeschooling our children.........trying our best to preserve their innocence and give them a chance to be "children".
In total agreement with you Mesh. We homeschool our 3 kids also, and we're fighting tooth and nail to keep our kids from being corrupted by the mentality that's so prevalent in today's youth. It's so hard sometimes. And Danny, I respect you and your talent a lot man, and I am not picking a fight. But, it's just different when it's your own kids.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 00:43:14
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In total agreement with you Mesh. We homeschool our 3 kids also, and we're fighting tooth and nail to keep our kids from being corrupted by the mentality that's so prevalent in today's youth. It's so hard sometimes. And Danny, I respect you and your talent a lot man, and I am not picking a fight. But, it's just different when it's your own kids.
(Wish I could make this shorter....but it's the only way I know how to try and tell you how/what I'm thinking. :) Not picking a fight here either, honest. I do have a clue as to how hard parenting can be. I've had a few on this end challenge me as a big brother.) Totally understood Leadfoot, but the fact of the matter is I sincerely see it as senseless to blame a kid star turned adult as the lone cause for the corruption of our youth. When I listed how and what I grew up in....it wasn't to air out any of my dirty laundry regarding myself or my past. The reason behind it was, I had so much other stress going on, there wasn't a star that could have made a difference in my life other than (wait for it...this is intense) drug infested, alchol induced, sex craved.....Eddie Van Halen who literally inspired me and kept me off the streets due to his talent. You see, I saw what I wanted to see. I knew right from wrong and used the "right" as a weapon. I'm no angel...I've dabbled in things I shouldn't have yet have no regrets that I dabbled. The experiences made me who and what I am...and honestly without sounding egotistical I think I turned out pretty good. :) My point is, I could watch, love and be inspired by stars for the good they brought to me while ignoring the ugly. That was the deal between my parents and me. If I skipped school, I'd be punished. If I came home stoned, I'd end up in military/reform school. If I let my grades slip, I'd be tutored and attend summer classes. All I had to do was all the right things and my parents totally allowed me to "test the waters" so to speak until they saw something that was a cause for concern. Think about it. I was watching heavy metal, which was always considered devil music....was inspired by dudes that did massive drugs, drank like fishes, trashed hotels while having sex with thousands of women and bragging about it. I was around drugs and weirdo's myself my whole life and one day became a weirdo in the looks department...lol...yet, I turned out really good man other than some long hair. I've never been arrested for anything other than fighting when I've had to defend myself and have never seen a prison. My parents were a part of my life. (My dad still is) They supported me as well as my decisions whether I ate the bear or the bear ate me. My house was the one everyone played music in. My house was the pool party, the basketball court, the baseball field, the football field, the tent campground. The one that always had noise coming out of it. We weren't rich. Mom and dad knew where their son was and knew what I was about. We talked regularly and they made it a point to be involved in my life. It was never mom and dad....and Danny. It was a trinity of best friends where the 3 of us supported one another. This is how I try to handle the kids I deal with today eventhough they are not my own. To get into the head of a kid today that is sort of neglected, you have to be an authority figure yet interact at their level and gain their trust or you lose every time. Ruling with an iron fist "for the sake of" loses 8 out of 10 times with the kids of today because they are only looking for love, support and someone to give them a little of their time to show some caring. Instead, they are left to fend for themselves while mom and dad go about their business by ignoring that they have children or because the economy is so bad, both parents may need to work 2 jobs. Still.....this falls back into the "if you can't take care of yourself you don't have kids" category. Safe to say someone needs to think about what may happen after that intense sex you may have Friday night after partying for a few hours. But few do. I'm 46 years old and never had kids by choice. Why? Because I wasn't ready to change my life and be a full time, forever father. I'd love to have kids at some point and they would complete me. However, you need the right person, you need to be willing to change and accept change, and you need to live for them and be there for them today even moreso than 25 years ago. That is something I don't feel I'm ready for just yet...or maybe I never will be. I've done society a favor by not contributing to its demise of unloved/unwanted, lost and corrupted children because it's not what I want. I've deprived myself from certain pleasures in life at times due to the possibility of becoming a father and me not wanting that. I don't understand why others do not think as I do. It's simple really...you think with the right head or you plan/entertain the chance of parenthood and do it to the best of your ability when it happens. I chose "thinking with the right head". :) -Danny
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 00:45:51
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Oh yeah, I forgot something....just what you need, me being even longer winded...uggh...so sorry. :(
Getting back to "it's different when the kids are your own", I'd be more in their lives. To "see something that is a cause for concern" you have to spend time with your children and know them or you'll never notice a problem. I'd be a great father and like I said, my young daughter (if I had one) would be told that she can't watch Miley until she is an adult. If I had to punish her, so be it. When you're too young, you're too young.
When you police a situation, you've laid down the ground rules to the child that it's wrong. You may not stop it from happening but you've planted the seed and told them there would be repercussions for their actions. I'd not handle it any other way really. Of course I can't do that with the neighborhood children other than to tell them they can't play here if they are a problem to me or other children, but again, all their parents need to do is take an interest and police them.
A kid disrespects you when you allow it to happen which starts when they are young and goes on for years. The kids in the Burger King that I talked about will get worse and worse. When you lack discipline from the start, it's easy for a child to revolt when you hit them with discipline at an older age. Like the supposedly wicked step-father that gives the 14 year old kid that's out of control, chores to do. If he had chores when he was younger and was disciplined correctly, he'd not have such a problem with it unless the step-father was a complete Richard Cranium and was a slave driver.....which we know is the case at times.
Anyway....the moral of the story is....I can't blame stars for how people/children are influenced in the wrong ways. People know right from wrong...and if they don't, I blame the parents and always will unless psychiatric evaluation proves otherwise. Who's the better person...the guy/girl that doesn't even try to work that lives off of us or Miley who decides to work the way she chooses to survive? We may not like Miley's choices, but she's not breaking any laws and she is helping to support the system, ya know?
That's just how I feel about it really. Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone or make them question their parenting as that was not my intent. Then again, if the comments here made someone look deeper into themselves and it helped them become a better parent, that's a plus too. :)
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2013/10/04 08:51:22
Hi Danny,
I feel I understand you a little better. And I don't blame anyone in particular. The world has just changed a lot. I'm 43, my kids are 10,11&14. And I agree 100% about being involved. My wife and I are VERY involved in our kids' lives and things like MTV and stuff like that simply don't come into this house. Our family is very involved in church together, we pray together, and we communicate, which is so important. My wife and I use current events as teaching points to help guide our kids on the right path. Are we perfect? Nope. Am I naive enough to think my kids aren't gonna make some mistakes? Nope. But we've laid a solid foundation for our kids about what's right and wrong that they'll be able to draw from for the rest of their lives. :) By the way I salute you for being a big brother to kids in your area. I enjoy your tutorial videos, and love your guitar playing!:) Much respect brother.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 07:48:02
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Is Miley Cyrus manipulating the industry or is the industry manipulating her? If it's the former then Miley appears to be the one in control and she is an adult after all, if still young. If it's the latter, then Sinead is right - IMO of course.
Not sure about the argument about parental control. Firstly I completely respect all of the points being made here - especially yours Danny; and I agree that the parents should be setting the rules and boundaries. Yes there are much bigger influences out there as Danny points out, nevertheless Miley is part of the media wave that avalanches us and tells the kids that certain types of behaviour are acceptable (and they'll see this stuff with or without parental controls). The kids can easily be misled despite best efforts so I tend to think that what Miley is doing is wrong. She is a role model whether she acknowledges it or not and she is going to influence a lot of young people out there, and not for the better. I'm not sure if it's something she's considered.
I so agree with Danny about kids becoming parents too young. I see them with their pushchairs all the time - "babies with babies" I call it. What chance have they got of bringing their kids up well? That's not to say that some of them won't do it extremely well, just that I think that a lot of them will be creating the next generation of dysfunctional adults. But how did they get in this situation in the first place? I think that the "media avalanche" has a lot to do with it. When there are so many sex-is-best images out there, are we surprised that there are so many teen pregnancies? I think Miley is part of that.
Just want to say that I don't want to be stepping on any toes here and all of the above is just my opinion and I'm not trying to be confrontational. I do think this is a really interesting subject and something it's important to see debated.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 08:23:09
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 09:16:46
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This is simply my 2 cents. Nothing I say will change the lives of those stars, and Miley Cyrus will do what she wants to do.
I am the father of 2 girls. As they were growing up, they liked to watch the kind of movies girls like to watch and listen to the music that other girls of their ages were listening to.
Among the artists and stars of the day were Lindsey Lohan who stared in a few movies including "The Parent Trap" which my girls loved..... and Brittany Spears who also started as a Disney star. The girls had a poster on their bedroom wall of Brittany Spears looking totally wholesome in her early singing career days. They loved putting on Brittany's CD's and singing along..... they knew all the words to every song.
We all know the story of both these girl's lives, how they self destructed to arrive in rehab and bankruptcy and the "ash heap" of stardom to where they are now. Hannah Montana was a little later in their lives..... they were in their teen years when Hannah was starting her career in TV and music. There is probably a Hannah Montana CD in their old CD collection somewhere. Due to a few factors, Hannah never became a household name around here. They did watch a few shows on TV and heard her music, but I really don't recall it being a big thing.
What my wife and I decided to do was not so much to prohibit our girls from listen to, and watching these "role models" but we opted to set down and talk to our girls and ask them what they thought about what Lindsey and Brittany were doing, and let them make the decision along with our guidance and recommendations. Most often, our girls chose the correct path. As the songs got more risque, we would steer our girls away from Brittany and offer a better option, a more wholesome choice and it was not too often that the girls would fuss about that. As a result, they learned about other musicians, and their love for music was expanded.
We had quite a few very interesting discussions surrounding the various exploits of these 2 self destructing stars..... the endless line of boyfriends, the car wrecks, the drug rehabs stints, and so much more. We would ask them where they thought Brittany and Lindsey were going wrong. We'd ask them if Brittany and Lindsey were being good role models. Our girls were thinking for themselves and learning with our discussions, removed from the peer pressure of their friends. And yes, we even had a few discussions which included their girl friends because quite often they would have sleepovers and that's when they watched the movies and played the CD's..... We wanted to be involved in their lives and be parents... moms and dads who were there for them. And we wanted them to know and understand that as well.
I guess all of that to say, hands on parenting, being involved in the lives of your children, is without a doubt, the single most important job and responsibility of a parent.
Now my girls are 19 and 21 and out on their own. We and they, know that my wife and I will talk about any topic with them..... no matter what, and will do it in a respectful manner. They learned this fact growing up, in the discussions we had with them. They call me from time to time to ask advice. I offer my thoughts and leave the final decision up to them with no guilt trips. They speak on a daily basis with my wife about "girl things".... shopping trips, decorating ideas, life in general.... I hear laughing and giggling and hope I'm not the topic of discussion.
That's how it is supposed to be.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 09:51:21
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But thanks to Miley's tongue (and other parts), she can get endless free publicity!
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Or am I too cynical?
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And you don't by posting here to show off your musical talents? That's not nice ... judging your own peers and artists! Miley is the one that said something, and as Sinead said, the media starting ringing her phone off the hook! There is a side of the business, that is sad, and often ignored, and it is that same that Sinead mentions. Of course, none of us would say/do anything, if it was Karyn, MamaBear or Julibee, but we have to say it if it is someone else that is out of our reach. This is HER choice. And you and I have to right no judge or choose it for her. The fact that she is laughing and enjoying it ... is about her and for her to deal with. THIS IS HER RIGHT as a person, and be it lewd or not, IS NOT AN ISSUE ... with the only concern, being ... that it won't work ... if she doesn't put out with her own lover/relation! As long as you are honest with yourself about all this, I don't think it's an issue ... but the minute that she is not the funny/fun/exciting/allthewords girl to her relation, then the reality changes ... and her public personna takes a hit! THAT IS HER CHOICE. Please stop judging women for what they do, specially in this area. It doesn't matter one iota to me if she does this or some porno ... heck, it worked for a few of them, and they don't seem to be complaining. Note: If all it is, is a record company thing, I would imagine that dad and mom know a thing or two about that and put a stop to it ... 18 or not!
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 11:14:05
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You have a great big heart Danny, and I completely agree with most of your statements.......especially where parents (young & even old) need to take complete resonsibility for their children and their proper upbringing. I see it as all these things need to be first taught at home. It's unreasonable to expect our children to be little angels outside the home, when they're allowed to be little devils inside....right?). Without having the proper discipline, structure, order, and most of all when all of this is done out of the love for our children/family, it will directly impact on our children's understanding in accepting the right attitude/behaviour/thinking etc....My wife & I decided on doing this even before we got married, and completely agreed that the welfare of the family came before any of our personal needs.
Strictly my opinion (for the little it's worth): Although Miley is not breaking any laws, supporting the system, and is now an "adult", her so called known talent is apparently in the music business and seems to be popular for that. I believe (if she's as good as they say) she could easily carry her weight with this talent and not need to resort to "prostituting herself", to sell a song. Yes, I understand there's "no rules" to anything right or wrong in the indutry, but the majority of her audience seems to be the impressionable teenagers (maybe now, some older guys :)) who can easily access it on youtube. IMO, her music is somewhere secondary (at least in that video). Possibly, she's trying to shed the Hannah Montana image and "trying to be" all grown up? I don't know, but I think it's the younger boys & girls (Hannah's fans) that get seriously affected from this. I just think she really doesn't need to portray herself in this way to showcase her talent, but then, that's only my opinion and everyone's won't be the same. We've made a serious effort in keeping a close eye on limiting what our children watch at home, and I can honestly say, the results are very, very rewarding. :)
Of course in my own home, it would not be possible for us to bring them up properly or for that matter do anything properly, if not for our Faith. I don't want to break any TOS here, but it certainly is the #1 priority in our home that directs us in everything we do. If not for that, we'd be only left to our own (IMHO severely limited) devices/decision in upbringing our children with whatever discipline, morals, ethics, values etc....that suited our fancy. (Like Bob (Leadfoot) has said), we're also far from perfect and the world out there is very, very wicked, but all we can do is try to put our children on a good path where they can grow up to know what's good, know what's evil, and hopefully choose to do the right thing when confronted.
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 12:24:29
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But thanks to Miley's tongue (and other parts), she can get endless free publicity!
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Or am I too cynical?
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And you don't by posting here to show off your musical talents?
That's not nice ... judging your own peers and artists!
Miley is the one that said something, and as Sinead said, the media starting ringing her phone off the hook!
There is a side of the business, that is sad, and often ignored, and it is that same that Sinead mentions. Of course, none of us would say/do anything, if it was Karyn, MamaBear or Julibee, but we have to say it if it is someone else that is out of our reach.
This is HER choice. And you and I have to right no judge or choose it for her. The fact that she is laughing and enjoying it ... is about her and for her to deal with. THIS IS HER RIGHT as a person, and be it lewd or not, IS NOT AN ISSUE ... with the only concern, being ... that it won't work ... if she doesn't put out with her own lover/relation!
As long as you are honest with yourself about all this, I don't think it's an issue ... but the minute that she is not the funny/fun/exciting/allthewords girl to her relation, then the reality changes ... and her public personna takes a hit!
THAT IS HER CHOICE.
Please stop judging women for what they do, specially in this area. It doesn't matter one iota to me if she does this or some porno ... heck, it worked for a few of them, and they don't seem to be complaining.
Note: If all it is, is a record company thing, I would imagine that dad and mom know a thing or two about that and put a stop to it ... 18 or not!
I think that perhaps you're reading things into my post that I didn't say. My point was only that Sinead might be exploiting Miley's massive publicity for her own benefit. But you are of course free to judge me as you like. 
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 14:21:07
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Is Miley Cyrus manipulating the industry or is the industry manipulating her? If it's the former then Miley appears to be the one in control and she is an adult after all, if still young. If it's the latter, then Sinead is right - IMO of course.
Not sure about the argument about parental control. Firstly I completely respect all of the points being made here - especially yours Danny; and I agree that the parents should be setting the rules and boundaries. Yes there are much bigger influences out there as Danny points out, nevertheless Miley is part of the media wave that avalanches us and tells the kids that certain types of behaviour are acceptable (and they'll see this stuff with or without parental controls). The kids can easily be misled despite best efforts so I tend to think that what Miley is doing is wrong. She is a role model whether she acknowledges it or not and she is going to influence a lot of young people out there, and not for the better. I'm not sure if it's something she's considered.
I so agree with Danny about kids becoming parents too young. I see them with their pushchairs all the time - "babies with babies" I call it. What chance have they got of bringing their kids up well? That's not to say that some of them won't do it extremely well, just that I think that a lot of them will be creating the next generation of dysfunctional adults. But how did they get in this situation in the first place? I think that the "media avalanche" has a lot to do with it. When there are so many sex-is-best images out there, are we surprised that there are so many teen pregnancies? I think Miley is part of that.
Just want to say that I don't want to be stepping on any toes here and all of the above is just my opinion and I'm not trying to be confrontational. I do think this is a really interesting subject and something it's important to see debated.
Great post..no toe stepping on this end. :) Agreed on kids being misled, but again, shouldn't they know right from wrong to where you have control over the influences? Here's a scenario... When I was in my teens, I was allowed to have the hair but I was NOT allowed to have the earing. My dad was totally agaist it. Now you know that my music hero's made me want the earing....and ok, it's not really a good representation, but this was something I was told I couldn't have. The day I turned 18, I got my ear pierced. I told my father "if I can now fight and die for my country dad, I can have an earing." He hugged me and told me he was proud of me. My point is...I was allowed to follow my hero's. I was allowed to be inspired by, but I had to know right from wrong. Wearing roach clips with feathers all over myself was a no no, but long spikey hair was ok. I knew not to get involved with drugs but I did experiment with weed a bit. That had nothing to do with my hero's...that was the in thing really. I knew sex could make me a father so I took precautionary measures or I stayed away from it. My parents knew me because they made it a point to know me. I would never be able to blame my music hero's for what I may have become back then. I'd blame my parents for allowing it and not cracking the whip on me when I needed it. And trust me, when I needed it, the whip was cracked. I was punished for two marking periods for getting bad grades and was only allowed out on weekends. No phone, no video games no playing outside after school. They took away the things that mattered most to me when they disciplined me....the way it should be. How can we really blame media if we take part with our children and drill them on the rights and wrongs? Or, if we do what Herb and his wife did (awesome Herb...there's one for the raising children book brother!) you're not just involved with your children, you are allowing your children to give their take on things. There's nothing worse than being a child and not having a voice because mommie and daddy know it all...know what I mean? There's no reason for that type of thing in my opinion. If you ask parents that are involved with their children how much they literally learn FROM their kids....they'll tell you "they teach us as much as we teach them". :) -Danny
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 14:34:17
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Mesh, feelings are mutual brother on the heart thing. :) Ok, let me be honest with you. I will say that I don't think Miley needed to go the route she chose. I felt the same way when Madonna was pulling some of her crazy antics. She was already the queen of pop, she didn't need to push the envelope in MY opinion. I didn't feel it made her any better...it just made her more exploited. Then again....see, and this is what sucks..... The music business is all about being in the news. When people STOP talking about you, you're a has-been. Enter Drew's most excellent conclusion with Sinead. She needs Miley more than Miley needs to list her as an influence. Does she really think she'll be able to complete an entire US tour without any cancellations? She's in for a rude awakening. Even the mighty Van Halen had some bad shows.....she's hardly in their class and is so full of contradictions, I sincerely believe her main reason for posting is just as Drew explained it. What has she got going for her? You know she wants a piece of what Miley has. But I do think Miley is quite good at what she does. She's pretty, has a good voice and could have decided on being "the good girl musician." Meaning, leave a little for the imagination without blatant "I'm selling sex" type exploitation. But see, as much as I can say that, the entertainment side of me being in this business is saying "to each their own." I know prostitutes that make excellent bread. They are so beautiful I've asked them why they didn't try to be models. Most of them tell the same story. The dude they were with left them with a child...no where to live, problems with their parents....they had to survive. Where could they make the money they were making? Yeah, to us it's a bad choice of profession....(and to some of them it is too and they hate it) but we also have to live in their shoes to think in their shoes. Hearing my baby cry because it's starving or living under the boardwalk can totally change a person. Our thoughts aside on the prostitution thing, they work really hard and risk their lives...so I can't fault them really. I feel bad for them, pray for them and hope they can change their way of life for the better to where they can make that amount of money at a job....but it's hard to tell a person how they should survive. Going legit means working 3 jobs today just to survive. 2 isn't cutting it anymore because one of the jobs usually sucks. So anyway....I think this is a great discussion and everyone has had good things to say both pro and con. At the end of the day, if a person survives, we may not like what method they choose....but we have to accept it and if it's something that we really feel strongly about....you take that passion and your feelings and make it apparent to your kids. It may not cure the problem but it does plant the seed and may make them think twice. :) -Danny
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 15:32:32
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I'm beginning to feel good about not being able to say I've heard ANY song by Brittany, Lindsey or Miley, or that I've seen any of them in a movie. (At least, not that I'm aware of.)
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Sinead O’Connor’s Remarkable Open Letter To Miley Cyrus
2013/10/04 18:51:12
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I took a personal day off work and volunteered at my kid's school today. My feet are sore and I'm tired.
I've got the Chorus's sheet music for the XMas show (Sleigh Ride, A Candle for Peace and Deck the Halls).
I'm gonna see how long it takes me to enter all the midi in and see if I can record each member solo during their next 18 chorus practices before the show. Hand out CDs at the show.
Anyone recorded a chorus of 10 year olds before? Any point in trying to do a tight version? I thought it might be fun to give each kid a version where they have a kicking solo to copy for their families for XMas.
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