jeff oliver
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Sleep Paralysis Disorder
Hi. Last night was the scariest ordeal I ever had. In short, you're woke and sleep at the same time. Sometimes I stop breathing and it feels like an elephant sitting on my chest and face. Not fun! After struggling for a short time you can come out of it, but it feels like forever! I got out of bed and collapse in the kitchen...but I never really got out of bed, I just thought I did. Struggled some more and woke up. "Jeff, you got to get up!" I told myself. So I did and collapsed again at the bathroom door causing much noise. My wife is just a few feet away, surely she heard my fall and is coming to help me because I'm struggling to breath again! But no. She can't hear me cause I'M STILL DREAMING! Struggle some more and woke up. I could go on but my heart is racing even now as I type. Sometimes my brain combines something happening in the real world, like a song playing in my home and puts it in my dream. As if I'm dreaming that I'm driving but the song playing on the radio in the car is actually playing in my home. Mostly when I sleep with my headphones on as I often do. My subconscious builds a story (dream) around what's fed into my ears. Weird. I've had sleep paralysis before but NEVER like last night! I can ignore the paralysis and usually go on to sleep. But you can't ignore breathing. And the sleep-walking in my dreams are bad too. I had it all happen at the same time last night. I'm not crazy, many people suffer from this but don't say anything because it's too hard to explain unless you go through it yourself, which I wouldn't wish on anyone. Ok, this wasn't so short but I'm glad this forum is here. Anyone else experience this or similar? If so, I understand. Maybe someday there's something discovered to stop it. Ok, thanks for listening and resume your music. Peace.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/05 22:11:27
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I've had sleep paralysis many times throughout the years. I feel like I can't breathe, and I can't move. I freak out almost every time. I just have to make a concerted effort to move my head back and forth a minuscule amount at first, until eventually I can move my head a little more and a little more, then finally can break free. It seems like it takes forever to break loose. There have been times where I just kinda roll with it, and it felt like I had an OBE, floating up toward the ceiling. Weird experiences for sure. Every time it happens, I wake up laying on my back. So I try very hard not to fall asleep on my back.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/05 22:37:29
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I've had it too. It is still scary. Some times I feel like there is someone near me and touches me. I read that the paralysis is a defense mechanism so we don't hurt ourselves during rem sleep. Things get weird if the conscience wakes up before the paralysis is over. Also it is hard to predict but it usually happens when you are waking up. And it is very common.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/05 22:41:47
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Yep. I never had an OBE, but I did feel like people had broke in my house and was smothering me once. Never thought I was sleep and thought for sure I was going to die. I was only concerned about what they were going to do to my wife and daughter. And all of a sudden...I woke up. I couldn't even fight this one, it just "let me go". Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/05 22:54:19
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Sleep paralysis is beyond nightmares.... it's far too real and quite frankly, scares the hell out of me. I used to suffer from this really bad in my early 20's.... I still get one or two episodes a year, but I can feel it coming on and get out of it. The only advice I have is if you pull out of one, get up and make a coffee or do something/anything for a while. If you try and go back to sleep it will hit you harder.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/05 22:58:01
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Yep. I've always been interested in personal development (up to and including working on a PhD in hypnotherapy) and one of those endeavors was sleep-based. Learning to use dreams, becoming lucid while dreaming (I even have devices to help with this!), breathing exercises, etc. A couple of times I had events similar to what you did and, ohhhh yeah, they can really freak you out! Once I realized what was happening I was able to relax a little and either fall back to normal sleep or wake up but, a couple of times, it seemed like torture. Of course, knowing why helped so I didn't panic as much as I might have. Your body tries to shut most things down so you don't act out in real life what's happening in your dreams. Usually, only two areas of your body respond while your asleep (your eyes and your, um, groin area - lol). In fact, the lucid dreaming devices I have actually monitor your eyes behind your closed lids and can signal you when REM sleep is detected (they usually shine a red light which you need to recognize in your dream then you move your eyes in a set pattern while you're still asleep which turns the device off).
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/05 23:06:27
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kakku I read that the paralysis is a defense mechanism so we don't hurt ourselves during rem sleep. Things get weird if the conscience wakes up before the paralysis is over.
I have a hard with conventional thoughts and reasoning on this. If my conscience is awake before my body... why is it that my mind is so messed up. Sure, I can't move my body, but my mind/thoughts are NOT normal.... it's not the "awake" I know! kakku Also it is hard to predict but it usually happens when you are waking up. And it is very common.
I don't get this while I wake up, that's something totally different and doesn't scare me at all. Sleep paralysis is most common while falling asleep. For most (not all) - it starts with a deafening sound/roar in your ears.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 02:22:56
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I've never had sleep paralysis to the extent discussed here, but I have occasionally experienced this kind of weak helplessness when waking up, as if all the strength has been sapped from my body. I can move my hands but they won't grip anything. I like to think that I'm booting up and my drivers haven't finished loading yet. Years ago I got into the whole lucid dream thing and managed to train myself to have them. It was all going very well and I'd actually look forward to sleeping at night, until one night I lucid-dreamed getting up to go to the bathroom and as I crossed the hall I looked into the dark living room and there was this horrible devil-faced being sat on the sofa, its eyes glowing. I wanted to look away but remained transfixed as my vision zoomed in towards him. That caused a jolt of fear so intense that I spun backwards head over heel and floated up to the ceiling, where I remained trapped like a balloon knowing that devil-features was probably on his way. Woke up out of that one in such a frantic cold sweat that I was freaked out for the rest of the day. Some scary things can happen during sleep alright.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 08:20:25
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/01/06 22:23:51
I've never experienced sleep paralysis, but man, that sounds terrifying. I know that some people have it happening more when they're falling asleep and others when they're starting to wake up. Either way, it sounds like the stuff of nightmares. I don't know if there's medication to address the condition, but I hope you can get some help. (This post has been utterly unhelpful.)
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 11:22:54
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It's not fun, for sure. Panic and struggle. I read somewhere once there is an easy out like simply "blinking". However, I usually can't remember it when I'm in this situation.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 11:38:45
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/01/06 22:24:06
Where's Moshkito to tell us why we need to listen to Klaus Shulz and Amon Duul 2?
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 11:40:08
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Seriously though. I've never had this. Insomnia yes. Fall asleep almost anywhere yes. That sounds scary.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 11:51:11
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I'll never complain about my nighttime leg cramps again.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 13:37:45
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I sleep well. I'm normally out in 5 to 10 minutes max after my head hits the pillow, and sleep all night. It's rare for me to wake up in the middle of the night for any reason. I rarely remember any dreams and frankly have no clue what y'all are talking about but it does sound scary as all get out.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 14:16:39
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Sounds brutal. I have some bizzaro dreams sometimes that I have a hard time shaking, and my sleep is generally all messed up, but NOTHING at all like what you're experiencing.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 14:24:34
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Guitarhacker I sleep well. I'm normally out in 5 to 10 minutes max after my head hits the pillow, and sleep all night. It's rare for me to wake up in the middle of the night for any reason.
I dream of being able to do that.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 14:38:57
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Thank you all for the input. I've read all the post. Yes, it's terrifying. But there are different levels and I was in unknown territory the other night. I didn't sleep too much but it was thankfully uneventful. I do believe my case has something to do with anxiety, stress and medications. Some people will never experience it and that's great! Its good to hear other people story either way and nice to know some sleep well. I stayed up all night in the studio and fell asleep some time this morning. My wife is worried about me since she works nights so she's looking for a day job. Just good to talk. Can't thank you all enough!!!!
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 18:59:51
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My understanding of sleep paralysis (from my deep research listening to the Monster Talk podcast) is that it's an extension of what happens normally when you sleep: your muscles are temporarily disabled. That's a good thing, because it's what keeps you from strangling your wife when you dream about that. But sometimes your brain wakes up before your body does, instead of both happening concurrently. You haven't been able to move all night, but were unaware of it. One factor that could be at play is you're not getting enough sleep and have to wake up before your brain is ready to. Most people don't get enough sleep. Another factor could be caffeine. If I drink coffee late in the day, I'll have technicolor dreams, lucid dreams, and even compose melodies. Even though it's not keeping me awake, it's keeping some part of my brain active that should be chilling out. The next day I'll often wake up prematurely and feel like I've been up for hours already.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 19:47:11
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I believe you're right on all counts bitflipper. I can see your body need to shut down so you don't act out your dreams. I'm sure we've all had at least one dream that made us jump up or kick our legs because they can seem so real. I do intake too much caffeine in the form of energy drinks. All that is going to change! My first episode happened when I was in middle-school. I'm 50 btw. So it's something that I probably was prone to from birth. My paralysis happens almost exclusively as I'm going to sleep. I may have had one waking up. Maybe. But again, the other night was like no other! It was very intense and I had three nightmares within a nightmare just like the movies. All I was missing was "Freddie". And the two times I collapsed in my dream I could actually feel it, ya know? I've had one lucid dream in my life. It was kind of cool :) I believe Craigb studied how to use his dreams and make himself lucid. Cool! Right now I wouldn't study anything for fear I'd open Pandora's box. I can't imagine what that would mean....
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 22:15:26
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bitflipper I'll never complain about my nighttime leg cramps again.
God do I hate those! As soon as they start I have to jump out of bed and stand up. The weight of my body causes them to stop, but if I'm not quick enough I'll actually end up with bruises and sore legs for hours! I've never heard any good reasons for getting them either. "Some" element is missing from your diet (like potassium) or you aren't drinking enough water, etc. I know it's not either of those, but still haven't figured it out.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/06 23:06:10
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What have you been doing recently? I may have a suggestion but have you done anything out of the ordinary recently?
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/07 00:18:40
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craigb
bitflipper I'll never complain about my nighttime leg cramps again.
God do I hate those! As soon as they start I have to jump out of bed and stand up. The weight of my body causes them to stop, but if I'm not quick enough I'll actually end up with bruises and sore legs for hours! I've never heard any good reasons for getting them either. "Some" element is missing from your diet (like potassium) or you aren't drinking enough water, etc. I know it's not either of those, but still haven't figured it out.
Leg cramps are frequently caused by a magnesium/calcium imbalance - specifically, too much calcium and not enough magnesium. Supplementing with magnesium (e.g. Natural Calm) really helps relax your muscles and loads of people swear by it for cramps. As a bonus, it also protects your hearing from noise damage.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/07 00:26:31
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All of this talk reminded me of the electric brain shocks I used to get falling asleep, and the fact that I hadn't noticed that I have been free of them for a good few years. For as long as I can remember, since early childhood, I would sometimes feel this tremendous jolt like an electric shock in my head just as I was falling asleep. It would zap me wide awake. I wonder why I don't get those anymore, it must be at least 5 or 6 years. However I do occasionally feel a shock in response to sudden noises when I'm drifting off. Like you know those sudden clicks or creaks items of furniture can make when it's quiet at night? Sometimes a little noise like that when I'm falling asleep will cause me such an intense shock that I actually see a bright flash of light and hear a loud buzzing noise. Another thing that happens quite regularly is that during that weird transitional period between awake and asleep I will dream that I'm walking, and at some point I will unexpectedly step off a high curb and shock myself awake. I've heard many other people report a similar thing.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/07 01:06:13
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sharke All of this talk reminded me of the electric brain shocks I used to get falling asleep, and the fact that I hadn't noticed that I have been free of them for a good few years.
Did these end about the same time you were let out of the asylum? 
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/07 01:30:18
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I have these night terrors from time to time- one thing I can control that can help awaken me is my breathing, I can manage to increase my breathing rate a lot and from there I can manage some noises - more recently after yelling for my wife to wake me up for some time it felt like, I awoke with her looking at me and being told I had a bad dream- well, duh ! ( she claimed my utterances were loud but unintelligible ) Apparently, most of those night terrors are alien themed- although I do not believe in such things. I remember too when I was a kid dreaming I was walking into a cave and came across this terrible monster that started chasing me- I was running as fast as I could and could feel it's breath on my back as I ran, until I realized I was managing to stay ahead of it in so my fear turned to a naughty kind of joy as I was just teasing the monster terribly by staying one step ahead of it- a fond remembrance in times of my life when events turned on me and it seemed the chips were down
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/07 01:33:47
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sharke All of this talk reminded me of the electric brain shocks I used to get falling asleep, and the fact that I hadn't noticed that I have been free of them for a good few years.
Did these end about the same time you were let out of the asylum?  
Well, if I'm being truthful, I think it was probably the alien abductions coupled with the time I stage dived into an empty space at a Slayer concert. When I was about 3 I had a really vivid, disturbing dream about being strapped to a floating gurney in a spaceship and wanting to scream but couldn't. Then these "beings" came in and started pushing me through the corridors of the ship toward this blindingly bright room like an operating theater. That's all I can remember of it but it was one of those dreams which sticks with you for life. Looking back I like to fantasize that it wasn't really a dream and I really was abducted by aliens but in all seriousness I know that's highly unlikely. Still, it was a pretty weird thing for a toddler to dream and I have no idea where I'd gotten such vivid and disturbing imagery from at that age. Having said that I can also distinctly remember assuming that the people on TV could see me, and also that speakers contained tiny little bands in them. Early childhood is a wonderfully trippy time.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/07 03:19:14
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sharke All of this talk reminded me of the electric brain shocks I used to get falling asleep, and the fact that I hadn't noticed that I have been free of them for a good few years. For as long as I can remember, since early childhood, I would sometimes feel this tremendous jolt like an electric shock in my head just as I was falling asleep. It would zap me wide awake. I wonder why I don't get those anymore,
That's interesting, I get those occasionally but I've never met anyone else who does. It's like a discharge, very disconcerting.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/07 09:27:35
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bapu Where's Moshkito to tell us why we need to listen to Klaus Shulz and Amon Duul 2?
That would depend on the number of OBE's you would want in any given time span! You have nothing to fear, but FEAR itself! (Not my own original line, mind you!) KS is very good for OBE's, but not recommended for rookies! AD2 is a bit too mental sometimes, but very close to an OBE in the early days.
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/07 09:35:25
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bapu Seriously though. I've never had this. Insomnia yes. Fall asleep almost anywhere yes. That sounds scary.
It was for me the first time, and then I went back to some things I used to do as a child in my head, and found that "playing" around with inner stuff was fun. The only concern, is that IN TIME, it will force some inner changes as your perception updates with your inner perception. I look at it this way ... you have an inner and outer perception. One is full of ideas and thoughts and this and that and what not. The other ... it's like you do not know it, and it is inside of you ... spend time learning it. You will end up loving it, and appreciating it. AND, if you are clever enough, there is so much that you can draw from there to use in your creativity ... think about it ... a new area within you that you don't know. Good reading for these ... though I am not a great fan of the commercial side of it: Robert Monroe -- his first two books, are simplistic, and a bit preachy. Good reading though. Castaneda -- the later books are each about one thing, one is visions, the other dreams (art of dreaming -- best book on the subject!!!), and obe's ... but they are hard to read and many folks don't like don Juan's very cynical look at things. Books that deal with occult directly, like Crowley (diary of a drugfiend and moonchild), are full of these, but they are very difficult to discuss because they are buried in imagery that is really crazy for us to imagine. The Bardo (Tibetan Book of the Dead) is about "leaving the body" when your time is up. The various portals and dragons are basically the inner fights that we have with ourselves. In general, this is a TOTAL individual thing, and I recommend you study, record and pay attention to your OWN thing, and do not use anyone's ideas or thoughts when looking at yourself ... these work within you, not without you ... and this is the most important part of it all. Just remember that you have nothing to fear except your own fear!
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Re: Sleep Paralysis Disorder
2016/01/07 23:16:44
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jamesg1213
sharke All of this talk reminded me of the electric brain shocks I used to get falling asleep, and the fact that I hadn't noticed that I have been free of them for a good few years. For as long as I can remember, since early childhood, I would sometimes feel this tremendous jolt like an electric shock in my head just as I was falling asleep. It would zap me wide awake. I wonder why I don't get those anymore,
That's interesting, I get those occasionally but I've never met anyone else who does. It's like a discharge, very disconcerting.
Apparently it's referred to as "Exploding Head Syndrome." Trust me to have the most awesome sounding syndrome imaginable https://en.wikipedia.org/...xploding_head_syndrome
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