Slicing and Dicing

What are some of the tools one might use to chop up and perhaps extract clips and loops ect....on one hand to make loops from larger files and also to extract one shots from clips..thanks i probably just need to learn to use clip view better but I am interested to see if there are more dedicated programs for this....thanks

kaylen
What are some of the tools one might use to chop up and perhaps extract clips and loops ect....on one hand to make loops from larger files and also to extract one shots from clips..thanks i probably just need to learn to use clip view better but I am interested to see if there are more dedicated programs for this....thanks

I use an oldie - Izotope phatmatik pro - for this myself. Great tool but way past it's Best-by date. It is abandonware and 32 bit only so doesn't help you much. It works ok in Bitbridge and JBridge but I notice Bitbridge hangs sometimes in SONAR x3c. So - I am shopping myself, and the most intriguing option to me seems to be Imageline's "Slicex" VSTi. $79 - not sure if it is 64 bit however, as Imageline have been late to convert their plugins to 64bit. The other option might be to pick up a versions of FL Studio and host it as a VSTi in SONAR. the Fruity Slicer is supposed to have the same functionality as Slicex does as a VSTi.
Anybody using Slicex?

so far Geist is looking most like what i was looking for,and I did find an easy way to extract one shots with FLstudio. but would love to hear of other possibilities, are there products simier to geist?

Btw..geist is om sale for $99. Try the demo.

check out linplug's rm-v if you haven't already http://www.linplug.com/rmv.html and they're also having a 33% off thing during december :)

that rmv just moved to the top of my list. that gives me a few days to continue research

lawp
if you can't find the license , it's always worth an email :-)

I did that earlier today - they have a link where you can have them send you all your licenses by just furnishing your name and email address - fortunately that's something I haven't changed. So I figured I would get them all at once - they go back a while - but RMIII, Cronox, Delta, daOrgan were all great instruments at the time - when Linplug didn't go 64 bit right away I just stopped installing them. 
RMV looks great though - 
thanks lawp!
 
 

best of luck!  I'm probably going to get geist while sale is on.  It's great having so many tools to choose from

I'm going with the RMV tomorrow for around 100, and I will see how that goes...its true for me as well that these programs are mind boggling, My mistake is I move forward before I figured out and fully explored the programs I have, groove 3 is helping me on that though

Brando
Thanks Dub - good luck to you if you choose to go with Geist. It looks incredible and yes, I agree with you that the depth and power of tools we have at our disposal is mind boggling. We've come a long way from the early VSTi days = or even from tools like RMII and DR008.
I just pulled the trigger on RMV - $149 for an upgrade price of $39 from RMIII = way too good a deal to pass up.
The one thing that has me a bit concerned is that these tools are almost an environment (DAW) unto themselves. Phatmatik Pro is so simple/fast/straight forward - going to be hard to move on. Too many plugs - too little time. LOL
 

I have mixed feelings about the way they tend to be their own environment.  The downsde is they tend to be a little slower to load up  and some can cause workflow issues to get used to when synching with DAW.  The positive side is that most fit in nicely and are capable of doing a lot so independent of DAW.  One can do an mpc60 style production in a program like geist from beginning to end and have the same process in every DAW.

I've used recycle for years, but things like kontakt have beatslicing from wav's also
 
I do have geist also, but haven't used it loads.. I would have loved props to make recycle also do batch / editing ..but no, the new version I found worse!!
 
for quick audio chopping to find loop points, I also use wavsaur (which is free) and has things to make it really easy to find bar loop points.
 

sharke
although apparently it doesn't handle things like 3/4 very well

Yikes! 3/4 is pretty bog standard, I guess 11/8 will really confuse it.

I held off like you suggested ,,,I have enough toys for the moment ,but i will likely still get it in the next week or so,and hope for the best

sharke, let me know if you can how it handles odd time.  I do a lot in 6/8 and 3/4 , thanks

kaylen
sharke, let me know if you can how it handles odd time.  I do a lot in 6/8 and 3/4 , thanks

I haven't really explored it yet to know this for sure, but I think it's doable. You can set the number of steps per pattern, and the value of a step. So I presume if you wanted to work in 3/4 then you could set it for 12 steps instead of the usual 16. What I suspect it won't do, however (and I don't have it in front of me right now to check) is show the correct beat divisions if you're working with an odd time. But that's largely cosmetic. I think I remember reading this as a complaint on the Geist forums ages ago.  
 
I don't yet know how working with odd times would work with its song arranger - perhaps you'll run into a limitation there, but what I do know is that you can trigger your patterns via MIDI, so there's no need to use the arranger...you can just arrange your patterns in Sonar. In fact that's what I suspect I'll end up doing. 
 
All in all though, I'm incredibly impressed by Geist. It's an extremely well designed program and a joy to use. The multi-tool is fantastic - you can for example drag across a track to insert a line of consecutive snare hits, then drag upwards or downwards while pressing ALT and it will fade the velocities in or out across the whole line you just drew. Or you can keep the left button held down and click the right button repeatedly to cycle through a series of common patterns. I'm just super impressed at least once on every page of the manual - the thought that's gone into it is amazing. 
 
And the manual is great! One of the best I've read. It's to the point, unambiguous, clear and understandable. Such a joy to read after reading a not so good manual like Jamstix 
 
Speaking of Jamstix, I reckon these two will pair exceptionally well. I'm also confident about mixing my drums within Geist instead of having to multi-out. The mixer is fantastic and the effects are top notch. There's still room for improvement however - would be nice to be able to insert 3rd party effects in there for instance. I have no doubt that it'll only get better in future updates though.