Snap to grid isn't "snapping"

In track view and piano roll view, when snap to grid is on, I can drop notes between the snap value. So, for instance, if snap to grid is set to whole note, I can drop a note between two whole notes.
 
I rely heavily on snap to grid. Can someone tell how to use it in X1?
 

Mike, I can't re-create that.  With the Grid on, my notes are snapping to the right place at all resolutions.  Don't know why it's not working for you.

RB

If you select a note that is already there (a quarter note for example), does it allow you to jump to the next measure with the measure resolution selected?  When I click on a note, Sonar changes the snap resolution to match the length of the note.
 
Maybe I am missing something.

When I click on a note, Sonar changes the snap resolution to match the length of the note.

 
I'm not seeing that, either. What does it do if the note length is some random number of ticks that's not an even duration?

aeosus


thegeek -

Doesn't make a difference.

ALSO, snap to grid with audio clips is a little buggy as to whether it moves "to" or "by"

He was actually answer the OP's question about why he was able to place notes in-between the snap value.  That's what happens when the Magnetic Strength is on - the opposite of what it should be.

This mysterious thing of your snap setting changing when you select a note - I don't get that at all.  I can't re-create that problem.  Maybe if you describe exactly what you're doing - outline the recipe of your PRV work flow.

Randy B.

thegeek


Sorry there rbowser but actually it was never reveresed....

It's just people that get it wrong, think about it:

low magnetism : notes tend to be snapped to snap settings loosely

high magnetism : notes tend to snap  to snap settings more

off magnetism: the feature is off and notes have no other option than to snap to snap settings

Hi, thanks for that.  After reading this, I experimented more with the settings - I've never had any level of magnetism on before.  OK, I see, except that in the few minutes of playing with low, medium and high levels, I couldn't tell very much difference.

I guess the logic is right - but when magnetism is "off," snap to is at its strongest, the snap is totally literal.  That makes the "magnetism" even higher than the high setting---That's why it can seem like the programming is backwards, or at least the definition of what's supposed to be happening.  I think it may have been more logical to not have the Off option, just different levels from "loosest" to "tightest." 

Randy B.

I read it keeps resetting to 16th notes, which certainly seems to be the case on my system. I think a patch fix is incoming.

 
Mike, thegeek has your answer.  Click "P" for Preferences, go to Customization>Snap and Nudge, and under Snap choose to turn "Magnetic Strength" off.  With it on, your notes won't snap to the resolution. 

I remember it being pointed out in earlier threads that this "Magnetic Strength" function seems to have been reversed.  The strongest snap is with this off, the weakest with it on--surely that's the opposite of what's supposed to happen.

RB

Thanks RG! I'll give that a try.

I was having all kinds of issues with MIDI notes not snapping to the grid until I tried running X1 in administrator mode.  Now it's working like it's supposed to.  Might be worth a try if you're not the administrator.

aeosus


This is what I am experiencing: http://www.screencast.com/users/kahlilg/folders/Jing/media/429469f2-2496-4c6c-a406-0ca646ee3cf8

I started a new thread here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2163512

Am I doing something wrong?

OK, Aeosus - I've watched the vid 4 times now.  What am I supposed to be seeing?  You change the note resolution after you already have 4 quarter notes in a measure.  You grab and move them to the 2nd measure - you move them back to the first, and each time the notes are totally snapped to the grid.  --What am I missing in your point--?

Randy B.

aeosus


As soon as I click on a quarter note, the snap setting changes from "measure" to "quarter".

I would prefer that it stay on "measure" (or whatever I choose) regardless of what the note value is that I click on in that group of notes.

This was probably a too-simplistic example. I am more interested in it working when I have (for example)  a 4-bar phrase that starts on the last sixteenth note of a measure and I want it to snap by measure to the same place a few bars later. WHen I click on that note, I want the snap settings to stay on "measure" and not change to "sixteenth".

OK, I see - Thanks for explaining in more detail.

I haven't seen the note resolution changing before this, because I haven't been doing exactly what you did in the vid, which is to select an entire measure of notes and move them.   I don't think this is really showing us well what you think is a problem, because you're not selecting a note, you're selecting a measure made up of quarter notes.  When you are working with one note a time, which is more typical, I've never seen the menu change like that.

Meanwhile--what's the difference?  With the note value changed to a quarter, you're still easily able to move notes to where you want.  A quarter note is a pretty gross resolution, not in the ball park of 64th or 128th notes - you know what I mean?

I know that part of my perplexity over these kind of issues is that I generally work with the Grid off.  I rely on visuals, and if I plop a note into a slighty-off position, that's more musical than the absolute Grid.

So - I don't think your vid is showing us the problem you intended it to show.  You need to select single notes to make it clear what the problem is.

Randy B.

i have to admit that im also having the same problem like earlier in the post i too use midi heavily and not getting the notes to snap is very frustrating. Snap to grid works perfectly in 8.5 im just assuming that this is an error of sorts. It also doesn't make any since to reverse the magnetic "snap to" option when the help menu clearly states the opposite.

The Snap section contains the following settings:
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Mode. Snapping can operate in two different modes:

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Move To. Align data to the grid.

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Move By. Move data by the grid resolution.

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Magnetic Strength. Specify the magnetic strength when snapping, which determines how quickly moved events are pulled towards the snap grid. The choices are Off (no magnetic snap), Low, Medium and High.

●
Audio Zero Crossings. Automatically snap edited audio clips to the nearest zero crossing of the waveform (the point at which there is no volume) to minimize glitches that can happen when waveforms are spliced together.

The Nudge section contains the following settings:
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Musical Time. Select a note length setting.

●
Absolute Time. Select one of the following absolute time options and a number in the first field:


what i want is simple to have my midi note snap to the grid and not sliding all over the place. Yes ive tied many setting but nothing changes i could use a 1/16 setting and ill still get whole midi notes ect ect  and i have never been able to snap anything including the "now time marker"

aeosus


Okay . . .this video is a little drawn out . . . I will not be offended  if nobody wants to watch it!

http://www.screencast.com/users/kahlilg/folders/Jing/media/1cabb897-22b4-42e1-9760-632cfc4d10ba

I watched it!  Several times in fact.  Thanks for it - This is a better demo of what you're talking about, since you use single notes in it instead of a whole measure of notes at a time.

OK, I see what you mean.  I didn't see this problem before because honestly, I haven't poked around much in the Staff View.  I gave up on SV so long ago because of the way it forces you to have all your notes quantized, which I'm not much interested in.  I use the PRV primarily, and this new Grid seems to behave differently in there.

After watching your new vid, I went to Staff, and I noticed that after choosing one Grid resolution, I could choose a different resolution by clicking the center mouse button, draw tool, note resolution.  But then once I tried to move notes, then the universal Grid would follow suit to what I'd chosen in the toolbar.

There may be method to this madness - but it's escaping me.  At least I finally see what you and others mean about the Grid changing when you select notes. - Hmmmm.

All I know, this makes me more than ever wish we had the actual improvements in X1 somehow grafted onto the much more functional 8.5 - to have the best of both worlds.  What's funny though is that what we thought we'd be getting up until not that long ago.  We thought 8.5 would be upgraded, fixed up, and on would we go.  What a nasty slap in the face it's been to be handed a whole new program instead, and one that has a very long ways to go before it's actually usable for serious music production.

Thanks for the vids - I finally see what you're talking about!

Randy B.

i hear what you both ae saying but still im getting any snapping at all notes just glide along as if snap to  is deselected

My finding are Snap to grid has errors. and now there's no status area, to tell us were we are with the clips. 

Ok heres something we all can reproduce, grab an audio loop drag it into the track view , groove clip it (cntrl L )
 Set grid to whole note drag out the clip , and now try to cntrl copy the clip and try to  pull out the beginning of the clip and have it start on the 1, Nearly impossiable unless you zoom way in. having the grid set and the magnetic strength up . and its still cumbersome. Major Flaw in work flow. BRING BACK THE AREA STATUS. WHY did you Take it away This grid in X1 IMO needs some serious looking into. I find myself fiddling to much with it. Constantly changing depending on the clip. What PITA !!!! I struggle to do a simple edit . Like copy and drag.. I will hope the the patch will address this. and they will give us back our visual aid to see where we are .. LISTEN UP CAKEWALK>> this need to be looked at. MAJOR Major PITA!!!!!!