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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 06:33:38 (permalink)
 
 
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 08:15:17 (permalink)
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Yeah, I get that, but what, specifically does "follow source" mean? What is the "source" in this context?



When source category is tracks the source is the individual interleave (number of channels) of the source track. So if you have a combo of stereo and mono tracks they will will be individually exported with their original interleave.

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 08:25:54 (permalink)
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What you're seeing is part of a long-term strategy that no one in the forums has figured out, and that's excellent...because it means the competition probably hasn't figured it out either...



Thank you for the detailed thoughts on moving forward. It'll be interesting, and in view of the lifetime option, there is hardly any risk for me as a member short of another $99. I really hope Cakewalk succeeds and moves the product forward, as they add another platform and ecosystem. That is a large undertaking in itself.

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 08:42:55 (permalink)
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I think it's natural to be skeptical. Lifetime is a strong word. Thinking of life and death, even marriage:)
 
Who knows, cakewalk might create a new product next year, ending or diminishing Platinum.
 
So it's all about trust. To me it's no doubt, what Cakewalk has done so far for the money is unbeaten. Especially last and this years updates.
 
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Maybe P5 is on the way back? Good news.

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 11:21:23 (permalink)
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Maybe P5 is on the way back? Good news.



Hmmm...

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 11:31:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/06/03 18:23:13
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Maybe P5 is on the way back? Good news.

Hmmm...


Of course there's no way that Craig could be hinting at something along those lines here... No doubt he's just innocently humming away to himself while he works and accidentally posted it... 

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 11:35:34 (permalink)
I loved P5 wish it could be the replacement for the Matrix. I know it wasn't multicore, but it was a great
scratchpad for ideas etc......

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 11:53:18 (permalink)
I never used P5, but from hints dropped in various places, I wouldn't rule out some not-yet-announced changes in that general zone - whether that's a beefed up Matrix view, or a dedicated scratchpad arrangement area, or a recycling of components of the P5 workflow into Sonar, or some combination thereof. Or maybe it will be a bolt-on extra? Who can say? Well, somebody knows, but they aren't likely to tell us until they're ready. Fine by me, I have enough to keep me busy for the moment! But I'm curious... 

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 12:53:27 (permalink)
I don't know the personalities well enough to read between the lines above...
 
Is there actually a chance that P5 is returning?   Prior to June 1, I would have said that there is no chance in ****.   But this wild Sonar Mac announcement makes anything possible.
 
It is a slippery slope of extreme unfounded speculation.   If PS comes back, it would probably be cross-platform.  If P5 comes back then will P5's little brother Kinetic come back?  Will Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 be ported to iPad as Cakewalk Pad Audio X?  Will Ron Kuper return?   Will Roland, in a fit of regret for letting for go of Cake, buy Gibson only to be later bought by Space X who will use Sonar as the official DAW of the Mars mission? 
 
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 12:56:22 (permalink)
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 13:17:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/06/03 18:25:11
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Sorry, my brain hurts.

Ditto.
 
Prolly not for the same reasons as you.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 13:57:26 (permalink)
P5, no.  A year or two ago Noel said why - the code was old, the guy had left and it would be better to start from scratch - or SONAR.  One of the great strengths of P5 was its simplicity and it didn't try to do too much but what it did it did well.  It was optimized for using audio and midi loops, so it was great for about 90% of easy looping (and that was fairly new territory - SONAR was the first real DAW to work w/ loops (to my knowledge) and P5 was right on its heels with a great selection of synths.  For an electronic musician it was really nice. 
 
Matrix, yes - again according to Noel around the same time.  I really liked Scratchpad for the iPad and was saying something similar should a model for an windows app or updated Matrix but with a lot more big pads on screen.  A performance thing, custom color the pads and a built-in stereo track+ on a timeline so you could play over backing tracks.  Of course, a plugin like that for SONAR would be fantastic and one up Live!.   He hinted they were thinking along those lines (among many), but it has been a long while a coming.  I'm not holding my breath, only hoping. 
 
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 15:03:21 (permalink)
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Maybe P5 is on the way back? Good news.

Hmmm...


Of course there's no way that Craig could be hinting at something along those lines here... No doubt he's just innocently humming away to himself while he works and accidentally posted it... 



Let me clarify. These are very exciting times at Cakewalk. Those in the company are being encouraged not to rule out anything at this point, but keep collecting possibilities and generating ideas. Then will come the difficult task of prioritizing those possibilities and concentrating on what's doable.
 
Cakewalk's denial of working on a Mac port was not an attempt to be coy or hide anything, there really were issues that seemed impossible to overcome. Those issues became mitigated not all that long ago and suddenly, it seemed possible. Technology is constantly shifting, and one reason why Cakewalk is sometimes vague about future plans is because the company has reached one or more forks in the road and hasn't decided which one to take yet. 
 
Could Project 5 come back? It's not out of the question. If it is possible, though, then it has to join the lineup of other cool stuff to do, and justify itself as being worth doing - and a lot of that will depend on what would be involved in bringing it back, and whether enough people care about it to do so.

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 16:17:42 (permalink)
Like the Mac being desired by ~70% someone needs get ~70% desired rating in CW hands for P5 Ver 2.0.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 16:29:25 (permalink)
Things are so confused right now it even got Bapu out of the basement. I blame Trump... or John.

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 16:30:16 (permalink)
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 16:31:49 (permalink)
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Maybe P5 is on the way back? Good news.



Hmmm...




Can this be true?!!!!! It could really augment Sonar I feel. It even had a few features Sonar doesn't- easy way to set up 3rd party audio editor e.g. Yes, a new improved 64bit, multi core P5 could actually happen?!!!! 

 
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 16:53:45 (permalink)
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 17:24:38 (permalink)
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Those in the company are being encouraged not to rule out anything at this point, but keep collecting possibilities and generating ideas.



I wish I worked at a place with that kind of attitude.  Awesome!
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 18:22:51 (permalink)
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I hope in the new direction you make a micropayment real staff view plugin/extension.

make it a macropayment. I am ready to part with a decent amount of cash for that.
 
I am really excited about the Mac version. I don't use Apple but I can see how a successful implementation on that platform will bring attention and lustre to the brand.
 
Me, the big announcement did not concede me anything to look forward to. The things I hoped for, a redesigned score editor and an overhauled Audio Snap engine (so it's easy to time quantize multi track recordings) are not even on the VISIBLE roadmap.
Having said all that, I choose to support the brand and will be sticking with Sonar because I understand the Bakers will be listening. All in all we wish for things that would elevate Sonar's desirability and value.
 
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I sincerely admire and applaud the company for such a bold move in this day and age and in such an already unstable and saturated market. Regardless of my personal needs, I admire you for your strategy and truly wish success to Cakewalk. If you're happy, we'll all be happy!

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 22:01:08 (permalink)
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I loved P5 wish it could be the replacement for the Matrix. I know it wasn't multicore, but it was a great
scratchpad for ideas etc......


You know after the announcement this week, the one thing you can take away is never say never...
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 22:03:09 (permalink)
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Cakewalk to my knowledge has never gone back on their word. 
 
  

I would have made it more clear in the press release that Both versions will be available under one license, as I had to read through forum posts to get that information.   
 
 

What part of "free lifetime updates on all future versions of SONAR" confused you? That was stated in the offer email. It was (finally) darn clear to me that a Mac version was on the horizon. And since Mixbus, Studio One and Reaper all offer a single multi-platform license, I was sure CW would follow suit.


While it was my assumption, it was not an emphatic statement without possible loopholes in the announcement page (I never got an email, I just upgraded after the announcement).  
 
The following statements included things like this:

Are Lifetime Updates available only for SONAR Platinum?

Yes, currently, Lifetime Updates are only available if you buy, upgrade, or crossgrade to SONAR Platinum. Be sure that when you’re adding SONAR Platinum to your cart, you choose the product called “SONAR Platinum (with Lifetime Updates).”
 
As someone who has worked with a number of high end contracts, I can tell you what they put out in the marketing spread was no 100% guarantee they would offer users the ability to have both under the same license for life and could be used on different computers one at a time by the same user.  Yes, that would be my assumption, but it could easily be argued against by a lawyer.  Some of the posts by Cake employees cleared up the question though. 
 
The MAC version presented for alpha certainly does not have Platinum functionality (lack of 3rd party support), and they even seem to call it something else.  

SONAR OS X Alpha

.  Not everyone is as detailed as I am.  But my points are rational.  


Alpha just means the development state is in or will be in this fall. It would then go to beta next. 
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 22:59:34 (permalink)
I, for one, am happy to see that Cakewalk, no matter who the parent company, is taking steps to finally be 100% mainstream in this industry.  I have been a Cakewalk user since Cakewalk v8.  A couple of years ago I had a client that DEMANDED that I use the "Industry Standard" DAW on a Mac, so I splurged and jumped on that bandwagon, only to find my productivity took a huge dump.  What a waste of time and money.  I still have the incredible iMac and am thrilled with the possibility of Sonar for OS X!   It's about time!! 
Craig,   Sign me up for Lifetime Sonar OS X,  I will help where ever I can to help get this up and running.
 
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/03 23:03:48 (permalink)
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I, for one, am happy to see that Cakewalk, no matter who the parent company, is taking steps to finally be 100% mainstream in this industry.  I have been a Cakewalk user since Cakewalk v8.  A couple of years ago I had a client that DEMANDED that I use the "Industry Standard" DAW on a Mac, so I splurged and jumped on that bandwagon, only to find my productivity took a huge dump.  What a waste of time and money.  I still have the incredible iMac and am thrilled with the possibility of Sonar for OS X!   It's about time!! 
Craig,   Sign me up for Lifetime Sonar OS X,  I will help where ever I can to help get this up and running.
 


So the problem was ProTools I'd guess if your looking forward to Sonar on OS X.

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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements 2016/06/04 23:57:20 (permalink)
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Let me clarify. These are very exciting times at Cakewalk. Those in the company are being encouraged not to rule out anything at this point, but keep collecting possibilities and generating ideas. Then will come the difficult task of prioritizing those possibilities and concentrating on what's doable.
 


Keep it all secret IMO. Then reveal us the Awesomeness, out of the blue then everyone will be like WOWWW. 


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