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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 00:21:23
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cclarry
There is not even a comparison...if you get Komplete on sale....even 20% off (399) grab it...
There's a HOLLATTA goodness in Komplete....
Ya I gotta say I bought Komplete at $500 and I am happy with the value. It has a fair bit of Krap that I don't use, but it has tons of good stuff. The pianos are amazing, for example. With regards to pricing stuff, I'm also note impressed by companies trying to pretend like people are getting a big deal because software costs less today. They aren't doing it to be nice, it is marketing, and smart at that. Back in the day, not many people could afford what you needed to do music production. It took some heavy hitting hardware. So didn't matter how cheap your software was, only so many copies you could sell since only so many people had the setup for it. Less unit sales means they need to cost more to cover production costs. Well that's no longer the case. Pretty much anyone can easy get the gear to do music production, and so lots of people are. You see home production all over. However, you need a lower price point to hit that market. You drop a $5000 sample pack, you aren't likely to see many sales outside of pro studios and composers. However you release the same thing for $199 and not only will you sell to lots of smaller musicians, but you'll even get morons like me buying it, who just play with the stuff and don't actually make anything. The mass market is where the real money is. You'd much rather sell a million units for a hundred bucks than one unit for a million bucks, particularly with software where your unit cost is next to nothing. Also if Steam has taught companies anything, and it has, it is that if you put your software up with a reasonable price normally and then put it on a deep sale a few times a year, you'll vacuum money out of peoples' pockets as they are unable to resist the "deals". Now don't get me wrong, I'm not mad about this, it is great for consumers, but let's not buy in to the "Oh we are being so nice by charging less," marketing.
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 03:46:00
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Ha... No release date as yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm4hf-Ki0V4&feature=youtu.be&a The 64 million dollar question is asked at 1:24. So today (well yesterday) was NOT the day!!! Sounded very vague re a release date but a release does not sound imminent. No doubt in the time it takes them to getting around to releasing SampleTank 3 they will have released quite a bit more i - nonsense. Whilst I have no issue whatsoever with a company going the iCrap route, I think the time it has taken to get this out shows where their priorities lay. (I do not use the term iCrap in a derogatory way, just as a term I think most people can identify with) So for me this causes me concerns. I have already been burnt with Software Companies pulling the plug on products I have heavily invested in - such as Kore / Powercore / Muse (gigasampler) just to name a few. If a manufacturer of a hardware product drops the product / goes bust - you STILL have and can use the product. And basically unless you are extremely unlucky, you can get it repaired if it goes wrong. Since I took the decision to pull back on my software and invest a little more money in old hardware, I have got quite a few "non working" old synths that have all been repairable and which I now have for as long as I can use them! Software can become redundant almost overnight if an operating system changes etc as we all know. So lets assume IK actually do manage to release SampleTank 3 one day. 1) Do I invest money in this product knowing development of this type of product must be very secondary to what must have become their main market, namely iCrap 2) What happens if they overprice SampleTank3 and sales are poor - which seem very likely - will they persevere or just drop it? 3) I have an old 32 bit machine which I run SampleTank 2 and all my extension libraries on, linked to my main machine via Vienna Pro. Works perfectly, so I think at this stage for me, unless the upgrade was very competitively priced i.e. under about $50 / $60 maximum, I would just leave my set up as it is 4) I would also be a little bit concerned with regard to the compatibility of the expansion packs, especially the third party ones on SampleTank 3 5) I upgrade at launch price, and they persevere even though sales might not be stella - do I find in twelve months time, they are onto their 3rd unrepeatable Group buy and and SampleTank 3 is now being basically given away, so my investment becomes worthless. Watching that video did not give me much confidence that SampleTank 3 will even approach the standard of their competition, so taking all my concerns as listed above in consideration, I VERY VERY much doubt I shall even upgrade, almost no matter what the cost. Nigel
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strikinglyhandsome1
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 04:05:27
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I got to the end of the last two posts.
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 08:01:13
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In keeping with IK's record we had:
4 Years ago: SampleTank 3 coming soon!
2 Years ago: SampleTank 3 is under way!
Last year: SampleTank 3 will be out before the end of the year!
Dec. Last Year: SampleTank 3 will be shown at NAMM (assumed release)
NAMM 2014: SampleTank 3 will be out in March-April (maybe)
Seriously folks....WHO WANTS TO DO BUSINESS WITH SUCH A COMPANY?
Are we that much of Plugin W H O R E S that we will allow these companies to lie
REPEATEDLY, steal our money, and then charge us for the privilege?
WOW...astounding...and of course, those who just bought in and got everything for nothing
will say YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
Nigel hit the nail on the head. IK has moved it's focus to iCrapps...end of story...bye bye...
and by that I mean REALLY ....BYE BYE!!!
DERH....
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 08:48:54
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Didn't you get the tweet? The acronym "NAMM" will been changed to represent the New Association of Mobile Musicmakers.
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 08:55:07
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strikinglyhandsome1
I got to the end of the last two posts.
And for that you shall have this free copy of new Sampletank 3 ! Oh wait..............
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 09:23:37
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rtucker55
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 09:27:26
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Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 10:11:38
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2014/01/25 22:01:16
Maybe the Bitwig team can lend them a hand?
Cakewalk by Bandlab - Win10 Pro x64 - StudioCat Platinum Studio DAW - 32 GB Ram - MOTU UltraLite-mk3
M-Audio Keystation 88ES - Akai MPD26 (hot-rodded) - Alesis DM10 - a few guitars, a few amps
Novation Launch Control - Korg nanoKONTROL2 - PreSonus FaderPort - DAW Remote HD on iPad
Adam A7X - Behritone C50A
PreSonus Monitor Station v2 (controlling the mons)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonarusergroup/
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cclarry
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 10:46:35
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gustabo
Maybe the Bitwig team can lend them a hand?
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 17:24:28
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cclarry
NAMM 2014: SampleTank 3 will be out in March-April (maybe)
Seriously folks....WHO WANTS TO DO BUSINESS WITH SUCH A COMPANY?
Seriously, would you prefer to do business with a company that releases its software before it's stable? I'm not trying to be an IK apologist here, but I think Obi needs to be cut a little slack. He's not the one designing and writing the code. His tech folks are feeding him overly optimistic projections. I know from personal experience that one rotten-tomato developer can do something deeply damaging to a project but that is not detected for a great long while. When the problem finally surfaces, it can set back a project by months. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but, hey, it's software. Sometimes these delays happen. I say to IK, getting it right is more important than getting it out early but not working. Of course, if after all this time if it has stability issues ... well I wouldn't want to be an IK stockholder.
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cclarry
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 18:04:19
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cclarry
NAMM 2014: SampleTank 3 will be out in March-April (maybe)
Seriously folks....WHO WANTS TO DO BUSINESS WITH SUCH A COMPANY?
Seriously, would you prefer to do business with a company that releases its software before it's stable? I'm not trying to be an IK apologist here, but I think Obi needs to be cut a little slack. He's not the one designing and writing the code. His tech folks are feeding him overly optimistic projections.
I know from personal experience that one rotten-tomato developer can do something deeply damaging to a project but that is not detected for a great long while. When the problem finally surfaces, it can set back a project by months. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but, hey, it's software. Sometimes these delays happen. I say to IK, getting it right is more important than getting it out early but not working.
Of course, if after all this time if it has stability issues ... well I wouldn't want to be an IK stockholder.
I SERIOUSLY think that 11 years is FAR MORE then enough time... no disrespect to you DM...or Obi... Obi is just the messenger...and he knows that we know that... This is a company that has repeatedly lied and misled the customers of this product(s) I've been around far too long to not know that... So how long do we continue to let them bilk us and milk us? End of story...bye bye...
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bapu
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 19:16:20
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Alas poor cclarry, I knew him well.
He's gone....
(until someone else posts something witty or bitter or in defense of IK)
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 19:26:03
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/01/25 19:25:31
I've got my head out the window....
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rtucker55
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 19:50:33
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cclarry
I've got my head out the window....
Which sounds much safer than where IK has their head... 
Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 19:58:42
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Gosh it's dark in here. Somebody light a match....no...wait!!
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IK Obi
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:12:14
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To clear up a few things in this thread:
1 - We have not set a final price, we didn't publish that price. It did not cover the limited time upgrade price for early adopters either.
2 - We will never let SampleTank die. iOS alone proves we are pushing the limits of it and will continue generating new sound content. We will do this across multiple platforms and continue pushing the limits of music technology.
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:29:04
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One would thank that after such a protracted period of time and all of the endless criticism IK has gotten, they would have had the price set when finally unveiling ST3. But instead it's more of the same mystery. Maybe they want to tweet a digit a week leading up to the release. I find IK so baffling on so many levels.
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rtucker55
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:30:11
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IK Obi
To clear up a few things in this thread:
1 - We have not set a final price, we didn't publish that price. It did not cover the limited time upgrade price for early adopters either.
2 - We will never let SampleTank die. iOS alone proves we are pushing the limits of it and will continue generating new sound content. We will do this across multiple platforms and continue pushing the limits of music technology.
Maybe you could clear this up for me: Why would IK management not already know what the final map is going to be? Why would IK management not already know what the two tiers of upgrade prices are going to be? (I'm not talking about what determines each tier but what the price will be for each tier) Why will IK management not give this information to their Customers who have been waiting for years for this upgrade? I guess I should remind you of how many earlier release dates have been given and missed but I would hope if I was giving people a release date I would make damn sure I knew what I was going to charge for the product. Nothing against you Obi but I really am disappointed in the way IK has handled this and it appears that it is either a lack of competence or dishonesty.
Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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cclarry
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:37:46
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cclarry
I've got my head out the window....
Which sounds much safer than where IK has their head...
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IK Obi
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:41:17
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IK Obi
To clear up a few things in this thread:
1 - We have not set a final price, we didn't publish that price. It did not cover the limited time upgrade price for early adopters either.
2 - We will never let SampleTank die. iOS alone proves we are pushing the limits of it and will continue generating new sound content. We will do this across multiple platforms and continue pushing the limits of music technology.
Maybe you could clear this up for me:
Why would IK management not already know what the final map is going to be?
Why would IK management not already know what the two tiers of upgrade prices are going to be? (I'm not talking about what determines each tier but what the price will be for each tier)
Why will IK management not give this information to their Customers who have been waiting for years for this upgrade?
I guess I should remind you of how many earlier release dates have been given and missed but I would hope if I was giving people a release date I would make damn sure I knew what I was going to charge for the product.
Nothing against you Obi but I really am disappointed in the way IK has handled this and it appears that it is either a lack of competence or dishonesty.
There is no dishonesty in not knowing right now. We have been working on this for years. All we have been focused on is the sound. Then the workflow and GUI. Now we are getting closed to finishing with many revisions along the way. There are still details in the works that need to be finalized. After management are 100% on everything we will make the official announcements and release date. I'm told what I know at that specific time. Things change. All of time. We have had versions ready and decided to implement new features along the way, have new ideas right before we were "finished" and still are wrapping up final details. We rather work at our own pace and make sure we are happy with what we are releasing. We are very close to that and I believe after it is released a lot of this will make sense.
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IK Obi
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:42:20
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:47:37
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IK Obi
We are very close to that and I believe after it is released a lot of this will make sense.
To every stakeholder at IK, but probably not your (past?) loyal customers. I keed, I keed. No I don't. Yes I do. No. Yes. Maybe.....
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rtucker55
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:54:41
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Ok but,
Your Customers have been wanting something that is native 64bit with a more readable GUI. Why not give them that first and then add the new features, they may or may not want, Later? At some point the adding new features have to stop or you will Never release the product.
What I read above this has been possible for a while but IK chose to go their way instead of pleasing their Customers. I call it beyond arrogant and a slap in their Customers faces.
Good luck and Thank you for responding.
Kind regards,
Rick
Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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bapu
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:56:38
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rtucker55
What I read above this has been possible for a while but IK chose to go their way instead of pleasing their Customers. I call it beyond arrogant and a slap in their Customers faces.
+3,721.9678987569896
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rtucker55
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 20:59:20
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Could ya round that up a little for me bapu, I can't find my reading glasses right now...
Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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IK Obi
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 21:05:08
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rtucker55
Ok but,
Your Customers have been wanting something that is native 64bit with a more readable GUI. Why not give them that first and then add the new features, they may or may not want, Later? At some point the adding new features have to stop or you will Never release the product.
What I read above this has been possible for a while but IK chose to go their way instead of pleasing their Customers. I call it beyond arrogant and a slap in their Customers faces.
Good luck and Thank you for responding.
Kind regards,
Rick
We don't mean to come across like that, sorry if you feel that way. While it may have been possible, it doesn't mean the software was stable or ready. Not to mention testing, which is what we are doing now and of course new formats have come out since we started working on it. We aren't going to push something without us feeling it is ready. With all that said, we are in the final stages of development and it should be out soon. We'll have more details on that and a few other things soon.
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rtucker55
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 21:13:42
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Obi,
Thanks again for your sincere reply. You did not have to reply at all but you did.
I still can't help feeling like the 'Final Countdown' hype should have been called the 'Final Curtain'...
Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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cclarry
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 21:27:12
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IK Obi
We have been working on this for years.
Yes...2 to be exact...out of 11...last year and the first month of this one...pretty sad statement if you ask me... from a pretty sad company...with a pretty sad track record. Sorry you work there Obi... Go iCrapps!!! You can buy ST for iOS for $9.99...but ST 3 for the PC will be $300.00...that's reasonable... and fair....and the upgrade will be $199, with an intro price of $198...and I just saw a pig fly by my window... (Jampoints MAY NOT be used for this promotion - or ANY other for that matter)
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Re: So, Is Today the Day?
2014/01/25 21:27:33
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