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So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
So I've had my first corrupted project experience with Sonar X1 and from what I've seen on the forums I am not alone. How many of you have had Sonar corrupt your project? How can we deal with this? I would like to continue to use Sonar, but if somewhere down the line its going to corrupt my project, the software is worthless. Your thoughts?
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
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no lost projects yet thankfully.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/07 21:58:18
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I would like to continue to use Sonar
In the 6 years ive had my share. About 2 or 3, but if you back up your projects like your suppose to, you wont have any problems. All programs can get corrupt. This is why you back up every session and every project. It shouldn't even be an issue. Just back up your stuff. If you dont back up, your just asking for trouble, as eventually the hard drive will go or a virus will inhabit your pc or some 1's and 0's will get corrupt.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/07 22:29:13
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So far, in one way or another, X1 has corrupted all but 1 of the 6 projects that I started new in it. It seems the longer I work on a project, the greater the probability that something will go wrong. Example ... I'm working on a project now that I've been working on for about 2 weeks. Everything was fine until this morning. I deleted some unused buses that the SD3 template created and later on I ended up needing another bus so I added one. Boom ... Pro Channel will not work on that bus. It works on all the other tracks and buses, just not this one that I created. I've had Pro Channel go dead on me before. I get it to work again by enabling Tube Saturation. When I turn it on I hear a loud snap on my speakers, then I turn it back off and the EQ and Comp start working, but not this time. It's completely dead on that one Bus and will not work no matter what I do. Snap To is still broke, Pro Channel still doesn't work right, trying to edit midi notes in PRV is a crap shoot at best. Can we please get the note length set back to the way it has been for the last 20 years ... please?????? How about letting the Magnetic Strength option in 'Preferences' stick like the other 99 options in Preferences rather than default back to 'Medium' all the time. Do the guys who make this stuff actually use it? Sorry if that seems rude, but one really has to wonder, ya know? Please help. Anyone? Seth, Brandon, Jebus, Allen, Santa, Chuck Norris, Hulk Hogan, Duke Nukem ... anybody ... Please help. 
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
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Yeah. I had PC go dead on me on several occasions yesterday, or simply not respond when I invoked it. I save, exit, and restart and it usually springs to life. I find myself asking the same question. Was this program beta tested? If so, by who?
Having the odd random crash (something I never had in 8) but no corruptions as such. Though you'll hear about it if I do. I'm glad X1 is not a jet airliner!
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
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I have had the pro channel go dead also
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/07 23:56:34
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+1 with the pro channel not working, no corrupt projects thankfully.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
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I have quite a few projects corrupted by X1 - many are from 8.5.3 and earlier, it could be the templates I use, which are the basis of every project I do. I also have numerous projects created in X1 that are now failing at all stages - opening or closing or just mid-use. I shouldn't have to keep 10 versions of every project to prevent against the inevitable corruption.
Built into my template are the following:
2 instances of NI Kore 2
2 instances of Pianoteq
One instance of Plugsound
One instance of either Trilogy or Trilian
A couple instances of UAD reverb.
Other common synths I use tend to be Kontakt 4, Omnisphere, Camel Alchemy, Soundtoys Echoboy, UAD's Roland Space Echo. The longer I work with a project and with each new plugin I launch, the more likely the project is to crash X1 or be corrupted on next open or open and not play or freeze upon load or complain about plugins not being found or who knows what. I've guess I've been lucky to have had almost no issues like this from Sonar 1 - 8.5 across three or 4 machines, but X1 is becoming like the software from hell for me--I can't open old projects reliably and I'm not crazy about the risk of creating potentially useless ones.
Unless this gets straightened out soon, I'm getting close to scrapping Sonar for good after 16 years of use due to the sheer frustration of 1) having to basically relearn the software and 2) the crashes/hangs (11 in the last 24 hours according to my event viewer).
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 03:48:34
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I have had 2 projects corrupted that were 8.5 projects then ported over to X1. I save many a new versions so I am usually able to go back and find an earlier version.
My buddy has had several corrupted projects in 8.0. His projects can be 15+ minutes long with more than 100 tracks and many of those containing dozens of track layers. They are quite crazy so I am not sure why he runs into the corruption thing often. I have seen some wacked out issues with his projects that seemingly no one else had run into. Point being, be really carefull in saving, especially the more intricate your project becomes.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 07:55:08
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Count me in. I have never lost a project, but I have lost SNAP on a couple occasions (never to return to that project) and a few other anomalies. I used to get the anomalies (small little things hardly worth mentioning) with other versions as well, so that is nothing new - but losing Snap can bring a project to a quick death during the editing stage.
I always save multiple files (versioning) so I can go back to a working state when I need to. I might lose a little work, but never the entire project.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 08:24:37
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i have a current project that went "corrupt" seemingly for no reason; and stupid me, a few years ago, saved a finished project as a .cwb, and i tried opening it up yesterday and alas, it too was corrupt
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 09:32:32
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I've had several over the years. Thankfully none that I deem as, OMG! Backing up and versioning is a beautiful thing.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 10:05:09
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Save using the number system.. That said I too have had corrupt projects in X1 alot more so than any other version of Sonar or any Daw that I use.. Magnetic strength still is flakey I noticed it set to medium a few times.. There's still a zoom bug in Sonar at different zoom levels snap works unexpected been there before X1.. The Pro Channel issue I have not seen then again I haven't noticed it , which now makes me nervous thinking I have to go back and check out all my PC modules to see if something not active.. Not very productive.. I don't wanna sound like a lack luster but so far X1 is still buggy as hell , I have not had great success with X1 at all. In fact BUB is 100% accurate when he said as the project get's more complicated/more work, it seems to get corrupt and crash. Obviously were not alone!!! and X1 still has many problems that needs to be addressed . I feel like a year has almost gone by and my productions have come to hault since X1 .. I have something like 10- 20 projects which I would of finished in 8.5.3 and had out for publishing but X1 just seems to get the best of me. I sure hope we dont see a repeat again..
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 10:14:00
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I have had a few crashes with both 8.5 and X1. My projects only contain 1 maybe 2 instances of the following synths, Omnisphere, Trillian, Zebra 2.5, Rapture, Session drummer 3. I just had a crash the other night when I inserted DIM Pro into a project with those synths I mentioned above. A fatal Error message came up as the project froze. I was able to close Sonar without saving anything, but I cannot Insert Dim pro into this project without it crashing. I have not reported any of these crashes to Cakewalk because the projects are easy to recreate and I have not lost any tracks.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 10:19:53
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Just had one this morning and was surprised to find this thread when I cam e to the forums. Not sure if it's technically corrupted, but the associated vocal tracks have mysteriously gone missing, and the ones Sonar offers to load in its place are bringing up message "not the same name as original source, are you sure you want to do this . . ."
Don't know if I could have deleted the clips inadvertently without noticing or if something went wrong with the software. I have recent enough backups, but the other backups from that date had similar problems.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 10:45:32
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Corrupt projects have always been a danger, and every version of SONAR has corrupted projects for me. A search of the forum will show issues with corrupt projects going back at least to SONAR 4.
As long as the CWP file format is closed and undocumented and no tools exist for editing or repairing it, this will always be the case. The only strategy for protecting yourself is frequent backups.
Backing up projects is a pain because they're so large. However, you can get a lot of insurance by simply copying the .cwp file. A single corrupt wave file is much easier to recover from than a corrupt project file.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 10:51:31
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CJaysMusic
I would like to continue to use Sonar
In the 6 years ive had my share. About 2 or 3, but if you back up your projects like your suppose to, you wont have any problems.
All programs can get corrupt. This is why you back up every session and every project. It shouldn't even be an issue. Just back up your stuff.
If you dont back up, your just asking for trouble, as eventually the hard drive will go or a virus will inhabit your pc or some 1's and 0's will get corrupt.
I agree 100% with this. Two of the most sound pieces of computer program advice I have ever recieved (especially when dealing with creating something) 1) Select to effect 2) SAVE often. Life has been good since ;)
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 10:57:33
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Thanks Mick, One other thing that can make you loose your project. Fire and theft. Keep 3 copies of each project/session and always have one copy off site, in case of fire or theft. CD and DVDs are the best and cheapest medium for this, but hard drives are getting smaller and smaller and cheaper and cheaper.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 11:02:10
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May or may not help you, but... - I had a couple of projects that would not open. Sonar would crash while trying to open them.
- Determined cause was an issue with one or more plug-ins that were in tracks (that I did not intentionally add).
- Solution hold down SHIFT while clicking the project to load. Then you can pick one by one which plug-ins to load, and avoid any that are suspicious.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 11:29:47
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X1 corrupted several of my projects. I was able to revert to 8.5.3, and I no longer use X1 since its been a general hassle to me - not worth the trouble until it matures.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 12:59:13
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Mick Moreau
CJaysMusic
I would like to continue to use Sonar
In the 6 years ive had my share. About 2 or 3, but if you back up your projects like your suppose to, you wont have any problems.
All programs can get corrupt. This is why you back up every session and every project. It shouldn't even be an issue. Just back up your stuff.
If you dont back up, your just asking for trouble, as eventually the hard drive will go or a virus will inhabit your pc or some 1's and 0's will get corrupt.
I agree 100% with this. Two of the most sound pieces of computer program advice I have ever recieved (especially when dealing with creating something)
1) Select to effect
2) SAVE often.
Life has been good since ;)
That's all fine and dandy, but when the software is the problem, not the project, there's no safeguarding against that. Backing up is not going to protect you from the Pro Channel flaking out, Snap To settings changing on their own, options in 'Preferences' not sticking, and I could go on and on ... all happening at random times. I have gotten in to the habit of versioning my CWP files, but that still doesn't help when I can go back to every version and recreate a problem that leaves me sitting dead in the water. See my point?
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 13:46:39
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Corrupt as in "flakey" but still loads?
Or currupt as in you can't load the project at all?
If it's the first, all you need to do is copy/past the track data into a new/fresh project
That's been something that (albeit rare) does happen from time to time.
I've not experienced the later...
I save incrementally (with a number after each save xxx_001.cwp, xxx_002.cwp, etc).
The project files themselves are relatively small. It's the accompanying audio (Wav files) that are huge.
By saving incrementally, you can go back to different points in time... and you have numerous backups (always save a copy of the current state).
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 13:51:56
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That's all fine and dandy, but when the software is the problem, not the project, there's no safeguarding against that.
Backing up is not going to protect you from the Pro Channel flaking out, Snap To settings changing on their own, options in 'Preferences' not sticking, and I could go on and on ... all happening at random times.
Yea, well a meteor can come crashing down and whipe your state off the map :) I have not counted, but im guesiing I have over 800 projects and only 2 or 3 ever became corrupt in the past 6 years.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 14:00:03
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Hi Bub- but that still doesn't help when I can go back to every version and recreate a problem that leaves me sitting dead in the water. That sounds like a project CW would definitely like to look at. I'd send it to them with the recipe. They've asked for projects like that a bunch of times. -Susan
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/08 23:18:30
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Thank you all for your comments.
It seems that the only solution is to make multiple backups - I should have known better and should have been doing this all along. I originally turned off the autosave because it was driving me nuts. Why not have the autosave be more intelligent and have it wait until I have finished my action or stopped playback before kicking in? That seems like an oversight to me.
I will be sure to make multiple backups from now on as I have learned not to trust that my projects will be safe.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
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I don't like autosave and never use it. I prefer to decide for myself when to save the project and when to back it up. But I am obsessive about backups, having long ago (almost 40 years as a computer nerd) embraced the idea that anything you store on magnetic media is temporary.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/09 12:17:41
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bitflipper
I don't like autosave and never use it. I prefer to decide for myself when to save the project and when to back it up. But I am obsessive about backups, having long ago (almost 40 years as a computer nerd) embraced the idea that anything you store on magnetic media is temporary.
I agree. I don't like it either. I don't want/like anything else going on while I'm recording. It's easy enough to just manually save after every prefect or near perfect take. I make multiple copies of the project as well... two on separate HD's and another get's burned to DVD.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/09 13:36:36
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For V-Studio users, there is a Save button right above and right of the transport on the console, so it is simple.
I also save periodically to 2 external USB drives, one of which is a thumb drive that goes everywhere I go.
Finally, I don't get excessive with versioning, but I do keep something like Rev 1 through Rev 6 or so as I develop a piece.
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Re:So Who Has Had a Project Corrupt? - (title changed from Sonar Corrupting Projects)
2011/06/09 14:16:21
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Bub
Mick Moreau
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I would like to continue to use Sonar
In the 6 years ive had my share. About 2 or 3, but if you back up your projects like your suppose to, you wont have any problems.
All programs can get corrupt. This is why you back up every session and every project. It shouldn't even be an issue. Just back up your stuff.
If you dont back up, your just asking for trouble, as eventually the hard drive will go or a virus will inhabit your pc or some 1's and 0's will get corrupt.
I agree 100% with this. Two of the most sound pieces of computer program advice I have ever recieved (especially when dealing with creating something)
1) Select to effect
2) SAVE often.
Life has been good since ;)
That's all fine and dandy, but when the software is the problem, not the project, there's no safeguarding against that.
Backing up is not going to protect you from the Pro Channel flaking out, Snap To settings changing on their own, options in 'Preferences' not sticking, and I could go on and on ... all happening at random times.
I have gotten in to the habit of versioning my CWP files, but that still doesn't help when I can go back to every version and recreate a problem that leaves me sitting dead in the water. See my point?
So much for saving and versioning ... working on something this morning, saved it, shut down, came back 2 hours later, all the work I had done on one guitar track was gone ... poof ... vanished. No wav in the audio folder, nodda, zip, zero, zilch. Completely gone.
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