So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar.

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So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar.

Partly, or perhaps mostly, I don't understand the process of installing midi.
That said, I have been able to run MidiGuitar as a stand alone and run a synth thru it.
I also got the buffers down to acceptable delay.
Next was to do the same inside Sonar.
I copied the midiguitar folder into the VST folder
Ran Sonar and forced it to scan VSTs. No sign of it
I opened the folder and copied just the 32 bit dll into the VST folder
It shows up in the Sonar browser under VST's.
Open new job, 
In Audio channel, FX install MIDIGuitar.
Set up the MIDIGuitar to Output/Dimension LE- set to piano
Amp/Effect to None
Played notes  and get meter in the track on record mode, but only get guitar sound.
Now what?
 
 


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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 14:59:00 (permalink)
    Is this a hardware device or a softsynth? If it's hardware you'll probably have to go into Preferences > MIDI and enable the device.
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:11:54 (permalink)
    No it's software, audio to midi converter.
    http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/


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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:17:59 (permalink)
    Yeah, I've trying to get some info on it but there ain't much out there... their site is kind of a PITA too but this might be your problem...
     
    On Windows you can install a virtual MIDI device such as loopMIDI or loopBe and use it as a MIDI bridge between MIDI Guitar and your DAW.
     
    Maybe not. Only other thing I can pull out of my bum is... do you have MIDI Input Echo enabled on the synth track?
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:19:20 (permalink)
    This is a long shot but you could try finding the device in the Plug-in Manager, click on it, click on Plug-in Properties and then tick "Configure as synth".
     
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:26:12 (permalink)
    There are two ways to use MIDI Guitar with a DAW.
     
    One is as a VST. The method for installing and configuring as a VST is in a link in your previous thread. There were some serious problems encountered when installation was attempted. Based on the installation issues it appeared that the VST method may not work with your configuration. You can try it again if your wish. Just follow the directions in the link provided. The only part of the MIDI Guitar software that you need for the VST version in XP is the MIDIGuitar32.dll. That would go in your VST plug-in path.
     
    The other method uses MIDI Guitar as a standalone program connecting to a DAW with virtual MIDI cables. Now that you have a working standalone version, there is no need to move the MIDI Guitar software. The only part of the MIDI Guitar package that you are using in this case is MIDIGuitar32.exe. To use the standalone version to feed MIDI to SONAR, you will need to install virtual MIDI cable software. Either LoopMIDI or LoopBe1, free virtual MIDI cable solutions, will work.  Once the virtual MIDI cable software is installed, the MIDI Guitar MIDI output needs to be set to the virtual cable and SONAR needs to have the MIDI cable added to MIDI Input devices. Then when a MIDI track or SIT is created in SONAR, the MIDI input needs to point to the virtual MIDI cable.
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:28:17 (permalink)
    I did install LoopBe and it shows on the task bar (winXP) thanks.
    There is nothing on the synth track but the input echo, just the Audio track.
    Should there be?
    As I said I'm not familiar with MIDI set up in general so that could be the issue.
    What would you expect on the Audio track In and out and the MIdi in and out or other?
     
    I thought the FX box which has the MidiGuitar plug on it would handle it all, including the Synth.
    How should it relate to a midi track?


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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:30:20 (permalink)
    You need to add LoopBe1 as a MIDI device in SONAR Edit > Preferences > MiIDI > Devices
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:31:25 (permalink)
    Oops 2 posts snuck in as i was writing this one.
    I'll go thru the advice thanks


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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:33:35 (permalink)
    lol... I'm lost. Listen to scook. He's smart.
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:33:39 (permalink)
    Because you had so much trouble trying to configure MIDI Guitar as a VST, you need to forget about using it in the FX bin (unless you want to revisit and address the issues from your first thread). You are now trying to use the second method, using MIDI Guitar standalone, just like you would use your hardware MIDI devices. Your guitar is going into the MIDI Guitar standalone, the MIDI output will travel through the LoopBe1 virtual MIDI cable to SONAR.
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:35:13 (permalink)
    Thanks Skook
    Just put in LoopBe1 as a MIDI device in SONAR both in and out.
     
     


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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:36:51 (permalink)
    Ok be right back, 
    Working on the new idea of standalone.
     


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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:38:59 (permalink)
    The SONAR out does not matter. Now that you have LoopBe1 setup in SONAR, you should be able to open MIDI Guitar, set the MIDI out  LoopBe1 and you will have the MIDI Guitar connected to SONAR. Add a synth track in SONAR and that should do it.
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 15:57:34 (permalink)
    Ok ran MG as stand alone.
    At first it didn't see my BR800 as Audio Setting device until I rebooted it.
    In MG, Set instrument to Dimension LE
    Amp effect to none.
    Midi output to the Loopbe internal midi (no sound yet)
    Run Sonar (message about no device)
    Edit Preferences (no choices in Audio devices) and set Midi device ins and outs to Loopbe and br800
    Start new job, Crash! with 2 notes.
    The usual Sonarpdr.exe, needs to close and one from loopbe in the lower right task bar in windows saying" Midi feedback (shortcut) do not connect midi out and midi in of loopbe within a single application."
    I take it this is about my edit pref settings. Which ones (of the 4) are wrong?
     
     


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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 16:13:52 (permalink)
    It sounds like you are following this method correctly except you are defining an instrument in MIDI Guitar. That is not needed. The synth will be defined in SONAR. That might be the problem. You could uninstall LoopBe1 and try LoopMIDI but I doubt that will make a difference. If you recall the problems that you initially experienced pointed to the BR-800 possibly not being up to the task. If that is the case, there is not much one can do.
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 16:25:11 (permalink)
    I did it! I had to use the external method and loopMIDI (which I had anyway). Once you have the standalone running, loopMIDI up and running and the Sonar with a synth ready and waiting you may have to mess about with the transport to get the audio engine working. I loaded a drum loop just to start things off and it worked perfectly. It then timed out (trial version)!
     
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 16:35:51 (permalink)
    I reckon I could get it working inside Sonar if, when configured as a synth like I said earlier, you could go to the synth properties page and get "enable midi output" to work. It's annoying that it only works as you boot up the synth rather than being an option you can actually get to work afterwards.
     
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 16:42:21 (permalink)
    Here are the steps to add MIDI Guitar as a VST. In addition to setting the plug-in as a synth and enabling MIDI out in the synth rack, there is a registry change. At least, it describes the method that I use to get it going.
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 16:48:47 (permalink)
    Thanks so much again Skook. You're a champ.
    It does look as if sonar doesn't like the combo as it crashes with any combination of ins and outs.
    I did get BR800 latency working with MG outside once I figured out how to lower the buffers.
    I'm giving up on this and looking at a new midi PuP for the guitar.
    I found a $75 used GK3 for my GR20 just so it's not a complete throwaway and I'll look into the new wifi one that works with a USB dongle I saw somewhere.
    I really need to be able to get those horns, keys and pads etc.
    Guess I should also learn to input by hand and/or to play the keys.
    Again thanks for your patience.
     


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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 17:09:58 (permalink)
    Thanks Scook for all you help for our community and with MG with Sonar.  Your efforts are greatly appreciated!!!!!

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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 17:15:02 (permalink)
    You are welcome. MIDI Guitar is an interesting piece of software. I believe the next version will introduce separate MIDI channels for each string.
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 17:25:14 (permalink)
    scook
    You are welcome. MIDI Guitar is an interesting piece of software. I believe the next version will introduce separate MIDI channels for each string.


    That would be great, although I don't know how they would do separate channels without having the divided pickups like GK3 or RMC in which each string has its own little pickup.  I look forward to that.
     
    The other thing that would be great (as long as we are wishing for the difficult) is to have a hold pedal that would allow for a chord or pad to held continuiously while we solo over the top of it.  That feature is where GK55 and AXON's shine, but that is more live use than what MG is good at.  I see MG as a studio device/software to get the softsynths triggered.  Still, if the difficult is the goal, then why not ask for it??  I guess I will make that request to JO.

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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 17:37:54 (permalink)
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    That would be great, although I don't know how they would do separate channels without having the divided pickups like GK3 or RMC in which each string has its own little pickup.

    The first step is already in 0.7.5,  the poly tuner
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    Re: So confused! JamOrigin's MidiGuitar, how to setup in Sonar. 2013/06/20 18:01:11 (permalink)
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    Ok ran MG as stand alone.
    At first it didn't see my BR800 as Audio Setting device until I rebooted it.
    In MG, Set instrument to Dimension LE
    Amp effect to none.
    Midi output to the Loopbe internal midi (no sound yet)
    Run Sonar (message about no device)
    Edit Preferences (no choices in Audio devices) and set Midi device ins and outs to Loopbe and br800
    Start new job, Crash! with 2 notes.
    The usual Sonarpdr.exe, needs to close and one from loopbe in the lower right task bar in windows saying" Midi feedback (shortcut) do not connect midi out and midi in of loopbe within a single application."
    I take it this is about my edit pref settings. Which ones (of the 4) are wrong?
     
     


    are you using asio audio drivers if midi guitar grabs it sonar will have trouble.
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