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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/02 21:14:33
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timidi I've been trying to decide whether to change my strings for 2 years. Amateur. I've had strings for as long as I can remember.
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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/02 21:38:01
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For me the answer is both yes and no. For awhile I was in a great church volunteer situation that was truly one of the best times of my musical life (as well as in my life, period), but it came to a very sudden and very unexpected end. At present, I am slowly working on something that I would like to see completed within the next few months, but whether it will be worth anything or not is yet to be determined (if it does come to a positive fruition, I will make mention of it at such time).
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2011/09/02 21:44:42
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Ah, changing strings... something I also need to do, but at $120+ a set, it doesn't happen often (solo tuning upright bass strings if you were wondering about the reason for the "sticker shock").
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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/02 22:00:31
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I am currently having a lot of fun with music and getting somewhere at the same time. Just completed a soundtrack for a movie that is scheduled to go into limited release in the US on the 9th as well as being seen in South Africa. They are a start up studio and are hoping the movie will go national. If nothing else it will be cool to sit in a theater and hear my music come out of the speakers. Working on two different CD projects. One for myself and one for some friends. The one for myself has been in the works for about a year now while the one for friends is somewhat simpler and is going fast. Both are sounding nice and hope to have something to share in the coming months. I get to play in front of people on a fairly regular basis but don't make much money at it right now. My regular band broke up last year as my bass player went away to school. Hope to get back on track and make money if for no other reason than to buy some more stuff to make more music with! All in all loving what I am doing which is the biggest thing of all. Cheers!
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2011/09/02 23:25:11
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I'm always surprised to read how many musicians here seem to be "employed" by churches and how elaborate this seems to be. Where I come from, it boils down to an old gentlemen at the organ. There was some sort of very informal choir also, I think. My grandma was in the choir section, but anyone with a voice could join if they felt like it. A little microphone for the priest and that's it - don't think there was anything like a sound guy. Have churches changed that much - or maybe it's always been - not just where I come from? Or is it that you guys are there for things like weddings? I've played in churches for weddings, but not as a church musician - just a guy on a contract. There was basically me, my little amp and if there was a singer, they had to come with their own rig. No mixer, no speaker, no nothing...
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2011/09/03 00:14:18
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I think I've always wanted to record, starting with 2 Philips cassette recorder and my dad's Grundig reel-to-reel in 1969. Even when I was playing in a band 4, 5, 6 nights a week I was always on the other guys to get in the studio. It was fun to see the song come together piece by piece like a jigsaw puzzle with no picture to guide you. When I left the band in '82 and moved back to NC from CA, I pretty much became a casual strummer, just picking up the guitar when the mood struck me. And since good recording equipment was kind of expensive, I didn't pursue recording. Then my brother Mike got a 4-track Fostex and the bug hit me again... for a few months. We did four songs together then I moved to TX and forgot about recording again. Getting my first computer in 2001 and my brother Carl asking "hey, you know you can record on the computer, don't you?" got me back into it. But my level of proficiency is not high, I don't have a great ear, am hard of hearing and my voice has been compared to Neil Young's on a bad day. I don't practice enough, I can't seem to make time for recording, and despite my recent "Feast or Famine" thread, I'm now stuck with about 4 more unfinished songs. I am happy that I can do this, though. And I plan on finishing them all. Someday.
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2011/09/03 00:17:45
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The group I was leading was not the norm (and very different from any group I had ever been a part of)... a mix of Celtic/traditional folk/semi-classical choral with typically about seven of us all told, singers, Celtic harp, and upright bass, sometimes mountain dulcimers, every now and again a hammered dulcimer or accordion, and sometimes a traditional church organ (some of us could do multiple things). No sound guy or mics... everyone learning to listen to each other and blend as a group. The acoustics of the building were absolutely marvelous, and it is/was a great place to play (had the chance to also give a few recitals there). The leader of the church made (what I think was) a unilateral decision to go strictly with organ alone so that was that (I will hasten to add that I do wish them the best, and remain on friendly terms).
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2011/09/03 00:29:48
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Oh, I should add that general church singing was done using the organ, and perhaps I was a bit "out of the norm" by drawing from a very wide variety of sources - classical/folk/and even CCM that could work with the group we had as well as original material. Creating original material was actually one of the most important positives of the whole experience, and the leader of the church did remark that he hopes that - even though I am no longer there - I will continue writing (even if generally at a rather slow speed).
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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/03 00:29:49
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noldar12 The group I was leading was not the norm (and very different from any group I had ever been a part of)... a mix of Celtic/traditional folk/semi-classical choral with typically about seven of us all told, singers, Celtic harp, and upright bass, sometimes mountain dulcimers, every now and again a hammered dulcimer or accordion, and sometimes a traditional church organ (some of us could do multiple things). No sound guy or mics... everyone learning to listen to each other and blend as a group. The acoustics of the building were absolutely marvelous, and it is/was a great place to play (had the chance to also give a few recitals there). The leader of the church made (what I think was) a unilateral decision to go strictly with organ alone so that was that (I will hasten to add that I do wish them the best, and remain on friendly terms). Unusual but potentially quite interesting. :) Thanks for the info, and sorry it had to come to an end like this.
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2011/09/03 00:37:34
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Rain, it really was quite interesting, and along with the friendships that developed within the group, one of the most joyful experiences I have ever had.
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2011/09/03 08:33:43
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Rain I'm always surprised to read how many musicians here seem to be "employed" by churches and how elaborate this seems to be. Where I come from, it boils down to an old gentlemen at the organ. There was some sort of very informal choir also, I think. My grandma was in the choir section, but anyone with a voice could join if they felt like it. A little microphone for the priest and that's it - don't think there was anything like a sound guy. Have churches changed that much - or maybe it's always been - not just where I come from? Or is it that you guys are there for things like weddings? I've played in churches for weddings, but not as a church musician - just a guy on a contract. There was basically me, my little amp and if there was a singer, they had to come with their own rig. No mixer, no speaker, no nothing... Rain - churches have "evolved" a lot over the last 20 years , but some of them have always been up on the cutting edge of "production." Most churches I know of today, even a lot of the small ones, at least have a PA. The church I grew up in had a PA, a piano and an organ and we'd sometimes have small bands come in and set up their equipment and we were a VERY small church in the 70's and 80's. the church I left to become part of this small church has a big production area. 2 full boards, one for live, one for recording, video cameras and recording equipment, a full band with acoustic piano, keyboards, acoustic and electric guitar, acoustic drums and a bass player. we also used to have a small orchestral ensemble but it was difficult keeping players for that. all of the instrumentalists in that church are part time paid positions except for the piano is full time and the worship leader is a paid full time position and they have a secretary who is full time. The Media Director is paid full time and he has several part time paid positions as well. it's a BIG production. The church is not huge by some standards, either, but it's pretty "large" with 1100-1200 attendees on Sunday mornings with 2 services (usually ~400 in the first service and the rest in the 2nd service)
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2011/09/03 08:36:03
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Jim thanks for sharing your experience as well! It's interesting that they chose to move in the opposite direction that most others are doing.
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2011/09/03 08:38:31
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Keep at it Greg! sounds like you have a dream that needs fulfiling!
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2011/09/03 09:47:57
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Rain I'm always surprised to read how many musicians here seem to be "employed" by churches and how elaborate this seems to be. Where I come from, it boils down to an old gentlemen at the organ. There was some sort of very informal choir also, I think. My grandma was in the choir section, but anyone with a voice could join if they felt like it. A little microphone for the priest and that's it - don't think there was anything like a sound guy. Have churches changed that much - or maybe it's always been - not just where I come from? Or is it that you guys are there for things like weddings? I've played in churches for weddings, but not as a church musician - just a guy on a contract. There was basically me, my little amp and if there was a singer, they had to come with their own rig. No mixer, no speaker, no nothing... Beagle covered it pretty well, but I'll add that entire industries have sprung up to accomidate the radical changes in music at some churches. I get magazines called 'Church Production' and 'Live Sound'. A lot of companies like Roland and Yamaha have identified a large market in sales to churches. Aside from the technical end of things some churches rock in terms of music. The last church I was in had a no holds barred approach to music. We even occasionally played things like U2 if the message of the song fit that days plan. Its all about getting the message and meaning across and whatever or however that happens can be interesting. There is a very large spectrum of different types of churches all the way from traditional to the unexpected. The church I am helping in now was a traditional church that is slowly loosing its old base and getting a younger crowd in. It is interesting to see the music slowly blending as a result of that. FWIW I never have been paid to do any of it although the larger churches certainly do pay for a worship leader.
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2011/09/03 10:13:40
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I'm pretty much achieving my goals at the moment, but it's been a long time coming. 16 months of vocal lessons has given me the technique and confidence to express what I've been failing at for the last few years. It's also had a huge impact on how I write my songs, as I can now write for 2.5-3 octave vocals as opposed to 2.5-3 notes. I just finished a 10-song project that I'm really proud of, that's getting really flattering critiques. I've got my next one half-written, including last Saturday's creation that may be the best song i've ever written. The only part I'm lacking is the live performance at this point. i don't have a lot of time, and most live groups either suck or rehearse often to achieve greatness. I won't play in a group that isn't great, but don't have the time or career aspirations for greatness. Although I have recently been asked to join a part-time live project that'll run through most of the winter, with good musicians that also no longer want to "make it big," but are a team I'd be proud to be seen onstage with.
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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/03 10:26:35
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Thanks Beagle and Starise. :)
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2011/09/03 11:17:47
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Beagle, thanks for the comments. Given the authority structure of the denomination, and what was going on at that level, in hindsight, the changes probably were not surprising. As you well know, there are all sorts of different streams of thought out there, different ways of approaching and reacting to current pop culture, and they lead to very different decisions. To me, good cases can be made both for embracing it and also for not embracing it. My own personal preference in the end favors the "blended" camp. We lose a great deal musically and spiritually by jettisoning "traditional" yet, equally, to flat out reject "contemporary" needlessly eliminates a great deal of vital vibrant spiritual life and expression.
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2011/09/03 14:12:08
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Iplayed in bands from the 8th grade unti I was about 21yo... I am 59yo now. My first guitar was a '67 Tele but I wanted to be Jim McGuinn (Roger) so I traded it in on a Hofner 12-string acoustic. Finally the truss rod came loose in the neck... mercifully. I had a few other guitar over the years, in the 70s I had a nice Yamaha FG 300 or 360, I don't remember I didn't have it long. In the 80s I got a Fender Lead II butdidn't keep it long. Early 90s I got a Takamine, I still have it and a bunch of other guitars. Around that time I quit drinking, and for some reason a whole bunch of songs came pouring out. I got into recording originally to try and record those songs however, I got severely distracted by GAS. I learned to play lead guitar instead of just rhythm and vocals but still struggle with recording. It seemed like with my limited time and resources and teenage daughters and running a business I just never took the time to learn it all... and... I didn't have the money to buy equipment that would really work well. Powerful computers were really expensive so I cut corners on everything and lived a life of digital frustration. Finally, I have equipment that will run at low latency, software that I understand (sort of).. I started with a Yamaha QY-70.. ugh. (old dog/new tricks...) I have a constant battle keeping myself on track, not wanting more and more stuff instead of using what I have. It may sound weird but sharing a song I wrote and recorded scares me a LOT more than playing live on a stage. I continually fight to overcome that phobia... but I am pleased with where I am and with my direction. It keeps coming together. My last "gig" was at the Church we used to attend. I was the electric guitarist, it was a Calvary Chapel and it was a blast!! Strat>Jordan J-700 pedal>Fender Vibrolux. I am now writing a lot of yrics again and I think I am getting better. I am taking my time and learning a lot. The videos, X1 POWER!, and reading this forum everyday really have helped me. In the past I have always gotten ahead of myself and tried to do things my HW/Software just would not do and quit, in frustration. I am taking my time and so far, so good. I am really thankful for how inexpensive good computers and hardware have become and how good the drivers are these days. My goals are: 1: Become comfortable with my DAW and HW. 2: Get my spare room set up for a mixing/recording room. 3: Find a way to share what I learn locally with young people. 4: Write a string of hit songs... well, 3 out of 4 ain't bad. Julien
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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/03 14:43:25
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jbow It may sound weird but sharing a song I wrote and recorded scares me a LOT more than playing live on a stage. I continually fight to overcome that phobia... but I am pleased with where I am and with my direction. It keeps coming together. Julien
Not that weird, trust me. ;) Regarding the GAS thing... When I first started looking for a computer setup, coming from the wonderful world of home recording on tape, I thought - Man, I get 8 tracks of audio! I can do ANYTHING. I knew NOTHING about MIDI back then. Looking back, I squeezed a lot out of that tiny Marshall and a few pedals - I didn't feel it held me back in any way, I just used and abused the heck out of it. That and my strat and I felt I could emulate any type of sound I wanted. The one elusive element was a mellotron. I thought if I could get one more thing, it'd be it. I'm trying to get back to that somehow these days. simplify. When I look at things like Amplitube FREE, I can't help but imagine how spoiled we are. Just that is more than I even dreamed of back then. I'm still trying to decide whether or not I'll go for the full version, and a part of me keeps on saying - use what you have, there's already much more in there than you really need.
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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/03 15:52:28
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Music? I'm spending too much time in the CH to do music. LOL
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2011/09/03 16:31:25
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Old55 Music? I'm spending too much time in the CH to do music. LOL Jan, you need to hire yourself a personal trainer nagger. I know just the chap
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2011/09/03 16:37:47
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LOL. I'll give it some thought.
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2011/09/03 18:21:26
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Beagle, Thanks for posting this as it's been interesting reading (and a joy nonetheless)! As for me and my own humble beginnings, I used to play in a praise team as well. The WL was on the payroll and a few other band members were paid, but I was the "throw in". It was fine with me because they helped me learn how each instrument worked in a band (on the job training at it's finest). Before that, I was the church's sound man, so sitting behind the scenes doing band stuff was a treat all by itself. From there, that gig got me a job in one of the local studios as a session producer. People with potential demos would come in and I would put music to their songs. Some of my attempts were certainly feeble as my compositional skills were at the most basic level, but my knowledge of the equipment kept me around and kept me useful. LOL! My initial goal was to do music as a career. Did I get there? Hardly. That was over 15 years ago. Since then I've started a meager music production company, churned out a few songs and CDs, but never made enough money to stay in business (all funded by my day job - production planning). I've worked on international CDs and have started a few recordings for the local college so I've done some "stuff" musically, but I didn't reach that goal (as so many haven't). My revised goal is to continue to learn and grow musically. I think Rain had something in his comment. I love doing ALL the music as a "one man band". Since I gave up doing vocals years ago, I search for someone to fill that gap from time to time, but it's not a major priority of mine. If I do an "arrangement" that I like, so be it. If I do an arrangement that YOU like, even better. As my life's gotten busier (wife in law school, children in school with projects, four dogs, four cats and a partridge in a pear tree), I don't have the time I used to have. Much of my "music" time is given over to reading, experimenting or just plain practicing. Since I still love to record, I squeeze it in, but just not like before. Of course, if I get the right offer, who knows right?
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2011/09/03 19:27:25
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Thanks for sharing everyone! I love hearing these stories!
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2011/09/03 22:07:39
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Reece, you know my story better than anyone I imagine, but here goes: I'm in charge of music at our very small church (no paid positions there, but the band's pretty decent for a bunch of volunteers.) Since there are 2-3 piano players, I learned to play the bass a few months ago and they let me keep 'practicing' in church. :) I'm also working on the drums in my very little spare time...I hope to do that more as I get time and eventually play at church when needed. (I do miss playing that gorgeous grand piano, though, so not sure what to do about that...) I also want to work on the guitar some more for when we're short of guitarists, but no time for that now. I'm also working on the blues scales on piano...I really want to increase my expertise on that instrument somehow. As far as recording...I'm trying not to let it take up every spare moment I have these days. Just too many other things going on, mostly more important than recording. I do enjoy it as a reward after a hard day's work though. :) I've finished 3 songs with Rik, on the songs forum, and we're working on another one right now. If we can keep going, we'll think about a CD, but I'm in no rush at all. So, generally, whatever comes along for me....I just have so many things I'd love to do and learn, I know there's no way to get them all done this side of heaven. Sure can't wait to continue there though. :)
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2011/09/03 22:36:32
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A guy I mentioned in another thread (most famous person you met?), William Burton and I were talking the other day. I asked him how his album project was going and if he needed any help with it. He said he's not that great a guitarist and I offered to do some leads on it. He asked me if I wanted to sit in at one of his shows. It's been, oh, 29 years since I played in front of people. I told him that me shaking like a leaf would not enhance the show.
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2011/09/03 23:51:29
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Great thread! I'm glad to learn more about my fellow denizens of the CH. Grew up in a music conservatory as a music professor's kid. Started playing acoustic guitar at 8 or 9, moved to bass sometime in junior high but kept the guitar stuff up... sort of ;-). I played bass, which got me "army volunteered" by my dad several times a year for his students - he taught composition, experimental jazz, among other things - and gave me an amazing education at an early age. Did a minor in vocal music in college; continued playing bass in bands, orchestras, whatever as part of working through college... and got really, really really burnt out on music. After college, I'd strum guitar a little bit when the mood struck me, but the only thing outside of that was singing in the church choir. Totally lost the urge to perform, write, whatever. About 10 years later when I was in seminary, a couple of significant experiences motivated me to start playing "officially" again. At the time, I was also pastoring in a couple of small Methodist churches in northeast TX that loved gospel bluegrass. It was great. I rediscovered guitar and a new music form all at once. Fast-forward 5-6 years. I started feeling the itch to write, and maybe even record a bit. Which led to a copy of Audition 1.5, a mic, and a keyboard. I found out Audition 1.5 didn't do midi, which led me to Project 5, more gear... I know you all know that story! I now have a modest home studio setup which provides the means to create and produce music. Goals? Well... I'm a family man (which is all I ever really wanted in life) with young children who are the light of my life and consume much of my time. I wouldn't have it any other way. I try to write a little bit each week. Once in a while God sends friends my way I can collaborate with (thanks Beag) which I find fulfilling and enjoyable. I have enough material started that could fill a couple of CDs... I'd like to get those songs recorded and finished before I leave this earth! I'm trying to expand my bass-playing skills a little bit each week by studying people who are light-years better than I. And trying not to forget to play my guitar once in a while! Other than that, it's just one day at a time with God as my guide and Christ as my light. Not always easy, but I'm doing what I should be, at the right place, at the right time. I'm satisfied.
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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/04 01:49:11
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When I was in high school my dad and mom asked me what I was planing on becoming. When I mentioned musician they told me point blank and with all knowing certainty that " Musicians don't make money". So I became Railroad Carman Carpenter, Zamboni driver,School bus driver,Health care worker etc instead. But If you asked me who I am I will always say I'm a musician. ( Insert new paragraph here unless you have firefox 6) I have enjoyed a blend of musical adventurers from playing small party's to huge festivals crowds, I've played bass, guitar and drums, I sing, Bluegrass, country rock, old rock, party rock, Elvis, Jazz, in church and under the church, Funerals ( oh dear me) weddings, Choir and high school bands. I also have become a pretty good sound engineer which I believe being a musicians is a good asset. I mostly am busy playing live or doing sound guy gigs and find I never have time enough for recording. I record live shows and then never have time to edit them. MY goal for this winter is to hide out in the attic and finish what I started,, Posting here is a big distraction but I think It helped understand the computer thing which I needed to do.
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rob.pulman
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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/04 02:20:11
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Some real good stories here, but mine isn't exciting at all. Parents suggested (made) me and my brother have piano lessons from about 8-12 years old, but I stopped the piano when one of my friends turned me to guitar. When I worked on the oil platform, a couple of us would play and we'd sometimes play in front of 6 or 8 people. That was the extent of my live playing! Panic attacks later stopped any prospect of further live playing though. Out of the blue about 3 years ago I thought of recording using the PC. It's purely a hobby, as I'm way below good enough for anything else. 14 months ago though our daughter was born, so there's just been too little time to dedicate to writing or recording. Hopefully, now she's in nursery, I'll get a bit more time once or twice a week. I work dayshifts and nightshifts too, so that doesn't help sometimes. The joys!
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Beagle
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Re:So what are you doing musically? And are you achieving your goals?
2011/09/04 08:01:57
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Janet - but now you're shared with everyone else which is what I wanted! Greg - you should go for it!!!!! Russ - you've been an inspiration to me! thanks for sharing with everyone! Johnny - thanks, I'm sure it's disappointing when you're steered in the "backup" position, but it sounds like you're still working the dream! thanks for sharing, Rob. I know panic attacks are serious things and affect a lot more people than we realize. I hope you have been able to avoid them mostly and congrats on the daughter!
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