Katie_Katie
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So...I signed off one of my students...
...to fly solo. That might have been a bit premature. 
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 13:53:40
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Looks like they were at least headed in the right direction. Partial credit?
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 13:56:08
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ouch!!!
I have an acquaintance who is a former instructor and now a commercial pilot. I remember the day he quit instructing... his student was trying to land the plane and started arguing with him that the plane had touched down. He realized they were still a few feet above ground... and there commenced a heated argument as to who was correct. At the last opportunity he slammed the plane onto the ground, taxi'd to the hanger, and promptly quit that career.
:-)
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:02:02
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Katie_Katie
...to fly solo.
That might have been a bit premature.
Is that a graphic representation of a Bapu mix or what!?
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:02:54
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By any chance, was there a loudspeaker in that tree?
That might explain things.
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Katie_Katie
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:03:15
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mike_mccue
ouch!!!
I have an acquaintance who is a former instructor and now a commercial pilot. I remember the day he quit instructing... his student was trying to land the plane and started arguing with him that the plane had touched down. He realized they were still a few feet above ground... and there commenced a heated argument as to who was correct. At the last opportunity he slammed the plane onto the ground, taxi'd to the hanger, and promptly quit that career.
:-)
best regards,
mike
I quit also. I did it for about a year for kicks, mainly to teach my son, daughter and a couple members in my family. I started to teach a friend of my son's and realized that him beating up my plane was no fun at all. So, I reverted to teaching ground school and giving instrument check-rides in the sim. Eventually, I gave that up too.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:04:06
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Katie_Katie
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:11:44
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bapu
Classic quitter!
I beg to differ. I've only quit something once. So, I've never quit quitting. My plan is to quit everything. Therefore, I am a Renaissance quitter.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:18:21
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An amazing and classic photo. And, apparently, the real thing: http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/flightschool.asp The pilot escaped with only minor injuries. Hve also been a flight instructor, but for test pilot students. Can only imagine the patience it takes to train ab initio...
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Katie_Katie
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:38:22
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MNorman
An amazing and classic photo. And, apparently, the real thing:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/flightschool.asp
The pilot escaped with only minor injuries. Hve also been a flight instructor, but for test pilot students. Can only imagine the patience it takes to train ab initio...
My reasons were purely practical...and a bit selfish. I figured that since my son and daughter were in plane with me most of the time, instant copilots. So I could take those "monitored rest" breaks. To be a Primary CFI full-time, you need to really love doing it, or cash strapped (notorious low pay for primary CFIs), or need the hours for a better ticket. I fell into none of those categories.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:42:53
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Having reviewed GA accidents where the only person on the plane who could fly became incapacitated, I have always believed the first thing to do with a passenger in a flyable seat, is to teach them how to talk on the radio, and keep the wings level. A five minute lesson, maybe ten. Later on, how to land in a way that you'll survive it. Ten more minutes, maybe 15. Lots of folks would be alive if more pilots did that, unfortunately. But you taught your son and daughter how to fly? That really is impressive...
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:51:12
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My Dad taught me the rudiments for the very same reason.
He had soloed back before the FAA required pilots to be licensed.
I would never say I can fly... but I can land.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:54:12
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I had my PPL/single engine card til my former instructor took a look at my flight log and said "Ya know buddy, yer flyin just enough to kill yerself".
Wish I had the time to get it back, but it's a dang expensive hobby.
Randy
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 14:54:32
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Secretly, I suspect virtually noone feels they are ready to solo when the instructor steps out the first time. But the experience is one that noone ever forgets...
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Katie_Katie
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:02:18
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MNorman
Having reviewed GA accidents where the only person on the plane who could fly became incapacitated, I have always believed the first thing to do with a passenger in a flyable seat, is to teach them how to talk on the radio, and keep the wings level. A five minute lesson, maybe ten. Later on, how to land in a way that you'll survive it. Ten more minutes, maybe 15. Lots of folks would be alive if more pilots did that, unfortunately. But you taught your son and daughter how to fly? That really is impressive...
Thanks, but not impressive. Before I taught them (officially and log-able) they were flying with me on a regular basis for about 3 years. Always fighting for shotgun (co-pilot) seat. They got the comms down first, and flying in the DC ADIZ the majority of the time they got quite good at it. Now of course you know that most every parent that flies allows they child to "take the stick" and fly a bit. Well, after three years of those two trying to outdo each other - they got quite good. I tighten up their stall series, turns around a point, and the rest they knew. Actually, the flying part was easy for them. The ground school was a different story. The King course did most of the work. Some checkrides later (not by me) and we cut their shirt. Kids pick it up fast. You just need to keep their head out of the cockpit and fly using externals. Now my ex, another reason he is my ex, would not even take a pinch-hitter course (from me or anyone else). Wanted nothing to do with it. His loss.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:04:39
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MNorman
Secretly, I suspect virtually noone feels they are ready to solo when the instructor steps out the first time. But the experience is one that noone ever forgets...
My aunt, who is the one who encouraged me to start flying while she was still taking her lessons, took her solo test in Oklahoma. She got caught in a late afternoon "bloomer" of a thunderstorm. She froze for a bit, then they managed to talk her back to the airport. She never flew again, even though she earned her ticket. When I did my solo, it was in Arizona and is still a favorite experience, filled with a sense of accomplishment, freedom, and a titch of terror on approach. Randy
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:09:36
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The impressive part, imho, is being able to get them to understand the distinction between Mom and Pilot in Command. I have an ex who was unable to share authority as well (I learned a lot about concessions for the bigger picture). In retrospect, I think the life lesson is that everything, and everyone who is important to you should get a turn...
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:18:05
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MNorman
Secretly, I suspect virtually noone feels they are ready to solo when the instructor steps out the first time. But the experience is one that noone ever forgets...
My aunt, who is the one who encouraged me to start flying while she was still taking her lessons, took her solo test in Oklahoma. She got caught in a late afternoon "bloomer" of a thunderstorm. She froze for a bit, then they managed to talk her back to the airport. She never flew again, even though she earned her ticket.
When I did my solo, it was in Arizona and is still a favorite experience, filled with a sense of accomplishment, freedom, and a titch of terror on approach.
Randy
Good! If you ever get into a situation where you are on approach - and I don't care if it is you 1000th approach into the same runway - and you feel everything is right....then it is time to find something wrong and correct it. You may not find anything wrong, but at least you are looking.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:22:08
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Katie_Katie
Good! If you ever get into a situation where you are on approach - and I don't care if it is you 1000th approach into the same runway - and you feel everything is right....then it is time to find something wrong and correct it. You may not find anything wrong, but at least you are looking.
Exactly what I do. I found flying to be wrong and I don't unless forced. It started with my first flight...I was given a parachute and nothing had changed the last time I flew. I was forced to and still no parachute.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:23:56
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I had my PPL/single engine card til my former instructor took a look at my flight log and said "Ya know buddy, yer flyin just enough to kill yerself".
Wish I had the time to get it back, but it's a dang expensive hobby.
Randy
I quit before I got to go solo at my Bank managers request. Learning to fly here is a pain. I spent more days watching a rain swept field than anything else. Even when you do get up there's more freedom driving in London than there is flying in the south-east under the shadows of Heathrow and Gatwick. If I ever did go for it again I'd go for one of those 'all-in' intensives in South Africa or some such place it actually would work out cheaper than trying to do it piece meal here plus you get a few months in an exotic location thrown in. I'd stand a fair chance of getting down without snapping the undercarraige legs though and it would probably be somewhere within the proximity of the field even if I had to use the clubhouse as a brake.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:24:41
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Katie_Katie
rsp@odyssey.net
MNorman
Secretly, I suspect virtually noone feels they are ready to solo when the instructor steps out the first time. But the experience is one that noone ever forgets...
My aunt, who is the one who encouraged me to start flying while she was still taking her lessons, took her solo test in Oklahoma. She got caught in a late afternoon "bloomer" of a thunderstorm. She froze for a bit, then they managed to talk her back to the airport. She never flew again, even though she earned her ticket.
When I did my solo, it was in Arizona and is still a favorite experience, filled with a sense of accomplishment, freedom, and a titch of terror on approach.
Randy
Good! If you ever get into a situation where you are on approach - and I don't care if it is you 1000th approach into the same runway - and you feel everything is right....then it is time to find something wrong and correct it. You may not find anything wrong, but at least you are looking.
+1000000. I spend all of my time feeling that there's something wrong I just haven't found yet. The vast majority of the time, I'm right...
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Katie_Katie
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:24:42
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MNorman
The impressive part, imho, is being able to get them to understand the distinction between Mom and Pilot in Command. I have an ex who was unable to share authority as well (I learned a lot about concessions for the bigger picture). In retrospect, I think the life lesson is that everything, and everyone who is important to you should get a turn...
The Mom vs PIC was not hard. They fully understood the term, "My Plane" blaring in their headset. I think my ex had a bit of an issue with the PIC/Student thing - could have been the assumed authority thing. In the air, I had full authority out of necessity (and law). At home, I let him be the Lord and Master and I was quite happy with that arrangement.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:26:45
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Anyone who thinks they do more than borrow the crown, isn't paying close attention...
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
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Katie_Katie
bapu
Classic quitter!
I beg to differ.
I've only quit something once. So, I've never quit quitting. My plan is to quit everything. Therefore, I am a Renaissance quitter.
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:38:32
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I did most of the ground school work, but ran out of money before I could get into the flying...
Love that photo though - I wonder if they'll just keep it there as a reminder?
As I said in another thread: A good landing is one you can walk away from. A great landing allows you to reuse the plane...
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:43:16
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See!
That's why I am not a cat an airplane person.
From Now On Call Me Conquistador!
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Katie_Katie
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 15:52:48
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craigb
I did most of the ground school work, but ran out of money before I could get into the flying...
Love that photo though - I wonder if they'll just keep it there as a reminder?
As I said in another thread: A good landing is one you can walk away from. A great landing allows you to reuse the plane...
The last landing I made in that plane was in a stiff crosswind, short wet grass runway and I was all over the place - fairly close to a controlled crash. But..... it was the absolute best landing I ever made because I was delivering my sold plane to its new owner. That meant no more hanger fees, maintenance fees, insurance, Jeppesen/Garmin updates, and the list goes on.
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Janet
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 17:57:03
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Sounds a lot more exciting than running a chain saw! 
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Re:So...I signed off one of my students...
2011/04/06 18:01:35
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But almost as dangerous ....
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