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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 11:20:28
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SvenArne
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SvenArne Yup, I use it on every bass track with the switch set to "keep low". It may sound excessively gritty and growly solo'd, but it really enhances the audibility and "upfrontness" in the mix without it becoming overpoweringly loud.
+1. I saved a remix once with distortion on the bass.
The QuadraFuzz?
You must never mention the Quadrafuzz. It is my secret weapon, and if you go blabbing about it on internet forums then it won't be a secret any more. I now have to perma-ban you and delete all your posts. Sorry, you seemed like a nice and intelligent person but you leave me no choice.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 11:23:46
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Anderton
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Anderton [...] a Synclavier[...]
I thought this was funny! What would be the Synclavier of 2014? Like the ultimate mythical piece of gear?
Well, he said that quote at the time when the Synclavier was considered the ne plus ultra of music creation devices, and I wanted to quote him accurately. John died many years ago. I guess if he was alive today, he'd say "Pro Tools HDX System running at 192kHz."
That's a little more boring though. Every FLstudio kid knows their DAW can do everything the big boys can. Is there no instrument or gear being made today that's so expensive and so mysterious as to create it's own mythology?
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 11:26:33
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Anderton You must never mention the Quadrafuzz. It is my secret weapon, and if you go blabbing about it on internet forums then it won't be a secret any more. I now have to perma-ban you and delete all your posts. Sorry, you seemed like a nice and intelligent person but you leave me no choice.
Ack, always I stick my neck out like that... Of course I meant the QuadraSID
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 11:55:16
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The SynClavier is still around. My friend has one and recently had it upgraded with the latest possible options. It's still a mythical object, still does some things other machines don't. I think it's the only one in the Netherlands.
Personally, without wanting to desecrate something as holy as the SynClavier, when speaking of comparable possibilities I'd have to go for the Korg Oasys or Kronos. While a Neko or Meko seem obvious choices too, they never offered the complete package and total integrated system that a SynClavier (or Oasys or Kronos) did, instead relying on a lot of third party content. The Korg offerings have a bunch of synth engines, sampling and hard disk recording all packaged into one integrated system. I'm not giving it the same status as the SynClavier because that was incredibly far ahead of its time, and the Oasys/Kronos aren't really. Nor are they as prohibitively expensive. But in some ways, they are a modern an affordable version of one.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 12:00:29
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Sanderxpander [...]Korg Oasys or Kronos[...]
I think the Oasys had such a status for a while. But the release of the Kronos kinda cheapened the whole legacy (what, having the same sounds and more for one third of the price?)
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 12:10:26
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I agree, the Oasys was ahead of its time. The Kronos still is but only because the competition has failed to catch up. In many ways it's a cheaper Oasys (although the sample streaming makes a huge difference, mine currently has like 25GB of samples loaded). Still happy they did it though, I would never have forked over the 8K to get an Oasys.
Again though, I was mostly talking about a modern equivalent feature-wise.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 12:38:41
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Sanderxpander Again though, I was mostly talking about a modern equivalent feature-wise.
Yeah, features aren't the stuff of legend the same as $$$$$
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 12:40:38
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Weird, isn't it? A legend devalued simply because it's now available at a tenth the price. It should be even more impressive, but instead it becomes less exclusive.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 14:40:43
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dubdisciple Maybe it's just me, but it seems obvious who LA 2A is or it's just an amazing equipment we get a poster like this the exact same time a regular poster here who has constantly bashed sonar over the years starts posting often again. This happens every year and he usually slips up and posts to defend himself under his regular name.
Silly me, of course. I had forgotten about this childish, cowardly behaviour.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 14:58:20
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jb101 Is it me, or does he sound like "Godparticle"?
It can't possibly be Godparticle. He's too busy DJ'ing every major club from the East Coast to the West Coast and taking ecstasy with some of the country's hottest babes.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 15:42:16
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jb101 Is it me, or does he sound like "Godparticle"?
It can't possibly be Godparticle. He's too busy DJ'ing every major club from the East Coast to the West Coast and taking ecstasy with some of the country's hottest babes.
I think his style of trolling is quite different from Godparticle's. I think LA2A would leave Godparticle behind in a 24-hour desert troll race..!
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 15:42:25
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jb101 Is it me, or does he sound like "Godparticle"?
It can't possibly be Godparticle. He's too busy DJ'ing every major club from the East Coast to the West Coast and taking ecstasy with some of the country's hottest babes.
:-) I guess it must be M.M. then.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 20:42:40
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LA2A Don't be so hard and cynical, it's just my opinion (albeit adamant); surely you wouldn't deny a person the right to have an opinion would you??
I think in everything you have stated, this single statement stands out the most to me for many reasons. Opinions are like buttholes... everybody has one... and yours carries no more weight than anyone else's (yet you believe it does). Interesting double standard to throw around cavalierly.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 22:13:44
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jb101
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jb101 Is it me, or does he sound like "Godparticle"?
It can't possibly be Godparticle. He's too busy DJ'ing every major club from the East Coast to the West Coast and taking ecstasy with some of the country's hottest babes.
:-)
I guess it must be M.M. then.
Boom!
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/06 22:20:42
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I don't think it's your opinion that has people thinking troll. It's the fact that your threads follow the exact same pattern. Plenty of people here prefer third party plugins here. If the words fabfilter or komplete come up you will hear nothing but positive statement. It's just odd for someone to pop up on a forum for a product they obviously don't use and post nothing but loaded questions that ALL lead to that same poster going on and on about other products.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 09:45:44
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The board of elders in the Troll Police have spoken: So lets sum-up 1: Apparently i'm a troll because i believe certain plugins perform better than others in the same category 2: Apparently i happen to be Godparticle (whoever the hell that is!) 3: Apparently i don't use Sonar X3  4: Apparently i ask "loaded" questions Where did the Troll Police get all this inside information, the NSA, Edward Snowden, or maybe the doofus files There's people here taking envy-based cheapshots at me essentially because i don't like the overpriced overhyped Waves plugins, and believe Slate Digital make superior ones, but in comparison to the several thousand registered forum members here that haven't chimed-in (because they know i'm telling the truth), i think i can safely say that you lot qualify as a handful of nobodys, yeah? Mr Anderton excepted of course, but even he took a cheapshot at me.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 10:27:51
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You're not Godparticle, you're my dear friend Mike.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 11:46:26
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Absolutely nobody cares which plugin brand you prefer.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 11:54:39
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LA2A i think i can safely say that you lot qualify as a handful of nobodys, yeah?
These "nobodies" contribute useful information to the forum, help users troubleshoot issues, and assist with demonstrating useful techniques with Sonar. They are smart enough to have figured out a long time ago to a) use plug-ins they like to use, and b) not use plug-ins they don't like to use. They apparently don't feel it's necessary to start threads dedicated to their opinions without offering some kind of useful information as part of that process. With all due respect, you have not posted anything that would cause someone to think your opinions are particularly credible. They're also polite enough not to consistently slam other companies who don't frequent this forum, and therefore don't have a chance to counter any assertions made against them. If the above is the way that nobodies act, then I am happy this forum is filled with nobodies.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 12:27:31
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There are also plenty of people here who record music for a living, something LA2A clearly doesn't do.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 13:12:24
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Anderton These "nobodies" contribute useful information to the forum, help users troubleshoot issues, and assist with demonstrating useful techniques with Sonar.
I haven't seen it! These guys have not contributed one useful iota in this thread except vitriol and hate-speech. And you have taken sides with them, whoop dee doo! Anderton They are smart enough to have figured-out a long time ago to a) use plugins they like to use, and b) not use plug-ins they don't like to use.
Yeah, geeezzz, can you tell me what university i need to study at in order to be this smart? Anderton They apparently don't feel it's necessary to start threads dedicated to their opinions without offering some kind of useful information as part of that process. With all due respect, you have not posted anything that would cause someone to think your opinions are particularly credible. The thread was started asking for opinions about the Softube Saturation plugin while subsequently including my own opinion about said plugin, how does that constitute "dedicated to my opinion"? That's a bit of an exaggeration don't you think? No one starts a thread with a thesis on why they have such opinions, credible need not apply. And anyway, several posters have already agreed with me about the characteristics of the Saturation plugin, simply that they find the grit/distortion too much or that it is to be used 'sparingly', so my opinion was validated and proved credible! Anderton They're also polite enough not to consistently slam other companies who don't frequent this forum, and therefore don't have a chance to counter any assertions made against them. If the above is the way that nobodies act, then I am happy this forum is filled with nobodies. Opinions about the products of third-party plugin companies are widespread right across the net in any audio forum you might care to name, and any counter-assertion from any third-party plugin company would mean nothing anyway, people are free to make-up their own mind about the performance of plugins, we just have to use our ears, so what has politeness got to do with it?? If i feel that the latest Toyota or Honda car is garbage then i should be free to say so anywhere any time, what's politeness got to do with it?? These nobodies have done nothing but denigrate and deride me simply because they already spent too much money on garbage plugins and don't want to accept the plain facts or simply haven't gone to the extent of obtaining an iLOK and don't want to spend more money to obtain what are clearly superior plugins, that's no excuse to come and cast contemptuous sarcastic slurs at me is it? And yet you take their side, so clearly you're party to their comments, nothing about that infers due respect at all, you've been anti LA2A ever since i joined the Sonar forums.
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John T
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 13:22:08
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LA2A These nobodies have done nothing but denigrate and deride me .... And yet you take their side, so clearly you're party to their comments, nothing about that infers due respect at all, you've been anti LA2A ever since i came here.
I think it's time to invoke the widely-known observation that the one consistent factor in all your bad relationships is you.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 13:23:43
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I think you might be speaking about yourself, smartass!
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 13:29:01
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A devastating comeback there.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 14:39:30
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LA2A The board of elders in the Troll Police have spoken: So lets sum-up 1: Apparently i'm a troll because i believe certain plugins perform better than others in the same category 2: Apparently i happen to be Godparticle (whoever the hell that is!) 3: Apparently i don't use Sonar X3 4: Apparently i ask "loaded" questions Where did the Troll Police get all this inside information, the NSA, Edward Snowden, or maybe the doofus files There's people here taking envy-based cheapshots at me essentially because i don't like the overpriced overhyped Waves plugins, and believe Slate Digital make superior ones, but in comparison to the several thousand registered forum members here that haven't chimed-in (because they know i'm telling the truth), i think i can safely say that you lot qualify as a handful of nobodys, yeah? Mr Anderton excepted of course, but even he took a cheapshot at me.
Nice attempt at a strawman argument, for starters nobody said you were a troll because you claim certain plugins perform better than others. We claim you are a troll because the pattern of your "questions" always seem less like questions and more like a setup to compare every component of Sonar to others in a negative light. Not one of your topics has strayed from this predictable pattern.The mock offense is very transparent and is standard for trolls. A new person actually offended would likely not be attached enough to stay and go back and forth. Trolls feed on these kind of topics because they can always get a few disgruntled users to give partial agreement while they play the offended card.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 18:52:22
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LA2A I think you might be speaking about yourself, smartass!
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 18:55:50
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I like the Sat Knob, and use it on most of my projects. Perhaps what sets me (and many others in this thread) apart from people who don't, is that I (we) know how t use it. Thanks, Mike, for more proof of your credentials.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 19:30:05
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dubdisciple We claim you are a troll because the pattern of your "questions" always seem less like questions and more like a setup to compare every component of Sonar to others in a negative light.
"questions" is plural, i have only asked a 'single' question in this entire thread relating to the performance of a plugin (my opening post), and my first ever post/question in these forums was an innocent query, so your resorting to exaggeration and generalizations in order to add weight to the idiocracy of your comeback, and in the process making yourself look stupid. What's more, we have more exaggeration and generalizations from you because never have I mentioned any component of Sonar in these forums except the pro-channel (and that was merely to ask info about what went into making it, and even then i never criticized the pro-channel at all), other than that the Softube saturation plugin is third-party and found in three different DAWs, so it has nothing to do with Sonar from a Cakewalk aspect. dubdisciple Trolls feed on these kind of topics because they can always get a few disgruntled users to give partial agreement while they play the offended card.
Why would any disgruntled forum user give partial agreement through their own volition if they were disgruntled, do you speak for the masses do you, or maybe you have a high opinion of yourself? Am i responsible for how anyone chooses to reply? Any agreement from another forum member is exactly that... "Agreement! "Which undermines your Troll accusation. How did you know they are disgruntled anyway?? And more to the point, are you on medication? jb101 The master of quick wit and repartee..
Not really, just keeping it simple, shall i put it another way... It takes one to know one! The beauty of simplicity. We need emotional content, not anger, now try again! jb101 Perhaps what sets me (and many others in this thread) apart from people who don't, is that I (we) know how t use it.
You bloody genius! Please tell me where i can go to learn how to turn that single big bad knob on the Softube saturation plugin and discern if it is treating my audio with silk gloves
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 19:49:28
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At last you respond to my posts, I am a happy chap. LA2A
jb101 The master of quick wit and repartee..
Not really, just keeping it simple, shall i put it another way... It takes one to know one! The beauty of simplicity. We need emotional content, not anger, now try again! You certainly are simple, Mike. Angry, but simple. Just try to project less, bless your little, black heart. LA2A
jb101 Perhaps what sets me (and many others in this thread) apart from people who don't, is that I (we) know how t use it.
You bloody genius! Please tell me where i can go to learn how to turn the single big bad knob and discern if it is treating my audio with silk gloves
Why the sarcasm, when you obviously struggle with this yourself, Mike? I would have thought that any half-witted buffoon would have been able to figure out how to use it, just by listening, but sadly it was beyond you. You couldn't even tell what the "Keep Low/Keep High" switch did. Or know the difference between Tape and Tube Saturation. This does not bode well for your future in Audio Engineering / Product Assessment, Mike. Now, let's not enter into a battle of wits. I don't like to fight an unarmed man.. Good luck, and happy music making. edited to remove o Python jibe that may have been misconstrued.
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Re: Softube Saturation Plugin
2014/07/07 21:15:55
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I am really curious about this kind of behaviour, and I reckon there's a really fascinating piece of psychology research in it, which I'd love to read. I'm not making a joke or attempting a put down here, I'm entirely serious. The thing that I find especially intriguing is the pattern settled into here, which is quite a common one. Troll sets out to lead everyone a merry dance. Everyone, from the off responds with a yawn, and states very clearly they know what the troll is up to. Troll gets progressively more irate. Self-trolling, I suppose you could call it.
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