[Solved] - Issue with BANDLAB, why I will no longer use it or their free SONAR!

     First off, I was thrilled that Bandlab had purchased Cakewalk properties and was going to move forward with Cakewalk and Sonar. The FREE Sonar sounded really great! 
 
At the same time, I am a SONAR LICENSED OWNER. 
 
So I created a Bandlab account. No problem there, I checked everything on the settings. I thought I had it all set right. 
I simply shared a song of mine and someone following me had made a really ADULT "SAME CHORDS AND BEAT" street version of my song that I never give anyone permission to do so. I blocked that person, contacted BANDLAB, I thought that was the end of it. 
 
But even after contacting BandLab MULTIPLE TIMES and this person is on BLOCK, when I log in "This PERSON'S POST ALONG WITH THE MUSIC I MENTION IS STILL THERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!". Yeah it says "BLOCKED, But It damn sure is not being blocked! So I guess popularity or monetary value ways better than newbies who post their music where the rules go. 
 
I really wanted to like BandLab. But considering the circumstances, I will no longer be using it. BandLab considers EVERYTHING YOU POST OR RECORD AS PUBLIC DOMAIN in my opinion. The issue is : "I recorded NOTHING I SHARED AND CLICKED THE DO NOT SHARE CHECKS & BOXES WITH ANY OF : THEIR SOFTWARE". I recorded it with my OWNED SONAR SOFTWARE. 
 
Either way, I prefer CAKEWALK SONAR and will not be using BANDLAB "Analytical USE AND SELL" software. 
 
That may not be the case, but it is the impression that I am getting now. 
I had a problem with Bandlab's site to begin with and it was a REAL quick response when they purchased Cakewalks entities, Now it's like not anybody on there cares at all with my issue. 
 
Either way, I bet this gets deleted or LEFT AND BLOCKED from others seeing. But it is my experience THUS FAR with dealing with the SITE BANDLAB and like I said, the music I posted on their site was recorded using my LICENSED SONAR PLATINUM. So I will continue using that. 
 
I Bet there will be a bunch of smart asses replying to this, but I suspect they are IN HOUSE SPEAKERS. 
 
Those are my thoughts, and that was MY EXPERIENCE SO FAR dealing with BandLab. 
 
It's NOT GOOD. And that is the end experience that I wish to convey WITH MY OPINION. 
 
Have a Wonderful day everyone!
 
Bobby
 
 
edit: OP advised me in a PM the issues have been solved by BandLab - scook

Yikes, Serious Noize . . . I really hope what you're alluding to here is not the case !
Personally, I haven't shared anything on Bandlab yet, and probably won't.
I can't help thinking that your example is the worst case scenario, but it really makes me wonder about Bandlab sharing. I think if you share, you leave your music open to collaboration, that's what it's about, and now I'm not sure there's any proper controls in place to avoid it.
 

I don't plan on posting anything there. I write classical music. I doubt that anyone on the "classical" part of their forum actually knows what classical music is. I've seen covers of "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" there, and most of the stuff is heavy on drum kits - fine if you're writing pop or rap, but not classical.
 
We need to keep in mind that this is a different culture, one with perhaps rather fluid views of intellectual property rights. Perhaps we can help them change that, but I wouldn't bet on it. In the meantime, it's good to bring this stuff to their attention. If they don't hear about it, there's no reason for them to change.

iamjcole,

A few thoughts. What was described above taking a song and making an adult version is clearly troll behaviour. If Bandlab wants to limit this on their platform there are several options.

1) Police everything yourself (Time intensive and experience) or
2) Allow the original artist to revoke forked versions they deem not genuine attempts or offensive.
3) Require everyone who signs up to use a cellphone so it's not so easy for trolls to create multiple accounts.

Just sharing my thoughts. I think it's great you're looking into this!

Thanks Daibhidh and Grem! 
 
I hear you and appreciate the suggestions. As with any collaboration, there is trust and risk involved. Allowing forks relinquishes control. If someone makes something you don't like with the project on which you've allowed forks, other than messaging the other user, there's nothing you can do at this point. Any content on BandLab can be reported and we follow up on all reports.
 
Art is subjective. We won't stand for harassment or bullying on BandLab but we try not to censor or police the music posted. Offensive comments and posts are taken down regularly, but with songs, what's art to one can be offensive to another. That's the nature of art and music. We hope to provide a platform where creators and fans can communicate safely and positively about the music posted. 
 
I haven't heard the song in question to have a personal opinion, but it's quite possible that the adult version of the song the other user made wasn't trolling, it could simply be the kind of music he makes. 

I've done about a dozen song demo sessions for a "retired" Nashville songwriter who had some success in the late 60's to early 80's.  He belongs to BMI and I get the impression he feels BMI will protect any of his songs.
 
As a side benefit, he is a "student" of the late Nashville producer Billy Sherrill.  He has done some major label producing and I've learned a lot about recording and mixing from him.
 
 
 
 

Copyright law varies greatly from country to country. Here in the US, a work is automaticaly copyrighted as soon as it is put into some tangible form (in this case, either written or recorded). Of course, in the event of an infringement action, you have to be able to prove that you own the rights. And it is unlikely that any attorney will take your case unless you have registered with the Copyright office.

iamjcole
Thanks Daibhidh and Grem! 
 
 
Art is subjective. We won't stand for harassment or bullying on BandLab but we try not to censor or police the music posted.
 
That's the nature of art and music.  
 

 
Point well made. And I agree. Thanks for taking to time to help us understand.

You can`t copyright chords, rhythm or song titles. Only melodies and lyrics can be fully protected by copyright :-) 

stratman70
@Bobby
 
That is a bummer for sure.
But As mentioned by others and I will elaborate on it: Just use the Desktop software. You are only denying yourself bug fixes and enhancements if you don't. As most of us and you probably have done is leave Plat orig installed to maintain plugs, etc and use the upgraded CWbyBL
 
Just a thought. Yes I would be bummed also.

To be fair he enabled forking, and the lack of a block was a bug that BL is investigating

Well for fork sakes..the only forking I ever done was into my mouth and throwing the odd straw bail around. Some of these names and terms should be kept were they belong and lets just call it what it is. Share? Don't Share?