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2015/07/25 18:55:45 (permalink)

[Solved] Issues with crashes of Platinum, probably VST related.

Going on about a week of total frustration that has only gotten worse.  Platinum crashes virtually each time I try to open it.
 
Today alone, I have now spent close to 9 hours trying to get it to work. Nope. I have not been able to accomplish a single track in over 9 hours. I have sent so many memory dumps to cake that I will probably get a trash bill.
 
Beginning a bit over a week ago, my favorite compressor plug Slate VBC started giving me the screen of death on pretty much each instance.  I finally gave up and removed the slate program.  It seemed ok... at least I could get some recording done.
I read all of the information I could find... not much as Slate does not support Sonar period.  Anyway, I did find some info and cleaned out my system first thing this morning. The help article suggested using CC Cleaner to clean up the registry. I bought it and used it.   Sonar loaded and acted fine. Then I did a clean install of the Slate VBC.  I opened up a couple of test projects and it worked! 
Now I am going to get back to work right?  The first big project I load immediately crashes. Everything I load crashes. Mind you, this does not have any Slate stuff on it.  I go to Sonar support and read about doing a clean install of Platinum.  Step by step directions. I took out all of my old Sonar from 8.5 thru Platinum and removed all of the registry items etc.  Whoops! My VS700 stopped working.  I had to go back and find all of the drivers and start over. Finally got it working. That would be nice except that Platinum just does not want to run. Multiple crashes. So I've sent a bazillion memory dumps to the bakers but of course it is Saturday.
This sucks.   I am going to take a break as I honestly don't know what else to do.
 
Win 7 pro 64 bit,   I an not using the V700 console drivers as I am using a Lynx Hilo.  This has worked pretty good for a year.
 
 

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 21:03:44 (permalink)
I hope you get it sorted, Steve. Nothing kills the creative flow quicker than computer issues. It was so much easier when you could just put the tape in and hit record. Hopefully it's a simple driver conflict or something that's easily fixable. I'm sorry that I don't have any suggestions. I just wanted to tell you that I hope it gets resolved quickly.
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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 21:13:55 (permalink)
I see no specific problem here to try to reproduce for cakewalk problem reporting, so I'm moving this thread to the Sonar forum.  if you list some specifics someone in the sonar forum might be able to help you more.
 
if the forum can't specifically help, contact Tech Support.
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if you have a specific problem you can list step by step for someone to try to reproduce, repost that in the Problems Forum and fill out a Trouble Report ticket for someone at the software team to try to reproduce and possible work on as a problem.
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I sincerely hope you can get your problems solved, I would be very frustrated if I were going through what you describe as well, but I feel this is not a specific reproducible problem for the Problems Forum.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 21:31:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/07/25 23:17:37
"Starting a bit over a week ago..." Were things working before then, or not? 
 
I feel your pain but for future reference, I highly advise against messing with the registry, uninstalling/reinstalling, deleting old versions, etc. The reality is that if there was some kind of universal SONAR problem like what you're experiencing, there would be people with pitchforks and torches outside the Cakewalk offices. Platinum simply refuses to crash for me (thankfully), and that should be the norm.
 
If everything worked up to a certain point you have to consider what might have changed. It could be a Windows update (unlikely), it could be installing something that overwrote a component used by SONAR. It could be a RAM stick failing. The first thing to do would be to roll back to a System Restore point when things were working and take it from there.
 
Good installation routines will set a system restore point automatically as part of the installation process, but not all programs do. I always set a system restore before installing anything, and set restore points periodically. And it's a good thing - the last Windows update made it impossible to read certain USB devices that had always worked perfectly. The next day there was another Windows update, and everything worked again. Go figure.
 
People often assume that if they're having a problem with SONAR, it must relate to SONAR. While that can be the case for more subtle issues, if you're having a crashathon every time you open the program, it's probably not the program but something system related.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 21:48:55 (permalink)
Stevee.
Go here
http://www.memtest86.com/
Download the v4 iso and make a CD or bootable USB.
Boot from it and let it run completely.
What you are experiencing sounds like it could be a memory issue.
Even if most other programs work and it seems like Sonar is the issue, only Sonar may be using the bad memory area.
I went through this with a friend about a year ago. Major instabilities (inconsistent) with Sonar. Iadvised it was RAM or motherboard. He refused to test the memory because other programs worked. It got worse to the point he could not copy a huge file over the LAN without errors (the Sonar X3 installer). Sonar was doing really flaky things which made no sense. I finally told him "test the memory or I am outta here". 5 minutes into running Memtest, he found  a bad upper stick of RAM.
Fixing problems like yours require eliminating possibilities, unfortunately, but the RAM is easy to eliminate.
The motherboard on the otherhand.....
If the memory is clean, I would suggest maybe downloading the Sonar installer manually (no CCC) and using a file hashing program (e.g. HashMyFiles) and compare the downloaded Sonar Installer hash with the one listed in the download link.
post edited by microapp - 2015/07/25 21:58:36

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 21:49:56 (permalink)
I agree with anderton, Platinum and previous sonars had some crashing issues on my old computer but that was due to my computer being rather old and damaged internally. It had alot of issues. On my new computer build. Sonar runs flawlessly. Haven't had a crash yet, runs smooth and fast. Id think it has something to do with your system.
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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 21:52:41 (permalink)
SPlat is the most stable software platform for me...
No crashes yet and more stable than previous versions for me!
 


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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 21:54:46 (permalink)
I haven't had Platinum crash once. It has been rock solid. I'm guessing Windows has done something to you. I backup my OS drive once a month just in case, but so far I've never needed it.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 22:02:09 (permalink)
Platinum runs fine here as far as stability. Maybe it's just us. I suggest you engage with these people they may help. There is absolutely no doubt the issue is your environment 110%.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 22:02:56 (permalink)
I'm able to use it reliably.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 22:34:30 (permalink)
I would suspect your hard drives have developed bad areas. They just don't make em like they used to.
Run cmd as administrator and start a chkdsk /r on your drives that sonar uses. Prolly should backup first.
It would all take a while. If you fin any bad areas, they only multiply over time so the next step is to then clone your ailing disk to a new one with say, Acronis true image.
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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 22:56:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/07/25 23:12:11
I've upgraded from Sonar Pro to Platinum and my Splat runs better than my Pro was. You should restore back to where everything worked and go from there. Second make it a habit not to have other programs running in the background. Turn your Antivirus off, they either use or deter particulars needed for Sonar. And use plugins that are 64 bit versus 32 bit, which will also cause your 64 bit version to crash.
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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/25 23:16:09 (permalink)
Hopefully you have system restore points enabled. I would definitely recommend going back a month and checking what programs were modified with the restore point you choose (any data files you have made will not be affected). This will also give you the data point others here are trying to understand... if you restore to a month ago when things worked, but now they do not, it is a good indicator of failing hardware (somewhere).

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 05:52:43 (permalink)
I had huge issues until the Bakers helped me uninstall all the old versions and do a full reinstall of Platinum. It was less painful than it sounds and voila, 90% of the issues were suddenly gone.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 10:25:51 (permalink)
Ok guys... I have been a faithful Sonar user for many years.   Craig, for the most part Sonar was working. It crashed occasionally.  The biggest issue was crashing projects with Slate VST's.   I have to leave to go to church. Maybe God will help!

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 10:37:15 (permalink)
There are known compatibility issues with Slate plugins. Please contact the vendor to resolve these since we have no control over that. If the vendor finds a problem with SONAR's vst compatibility they should contact us after troubleshooting it first on their end.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 10:39:16 (permalink)
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Ok guys... I have been a faithful Sonar user for many years.   Craig, for the most part Sonar was working. It crashed occasionally.  The biggest issue was crashing projects with Slate VST's.   I have to leave to go to church. Maybe God will help!




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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 11:07:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/07/26 16:45:36
Even God can't solve 3rd party VST problems :)

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 11:22:45 (permalink)
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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 11:48:42 (permalink)
If you turn your antivirus off - also disconnect your computer from the internet.
I see that you are running at 4.5 ghz.  Is that an overclock?   Is your CPU or memory overheating?
I would think that a CPU running less than 4.5 (like 4.0) would still be very sufficient and not place so much stress on the CPU.  But the memory setting is important as well.

Just some thoughts that might help.
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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 11:58:48 (permalink)
Hi. I have not had stability issues with Platinum for many months.
I agree with it probably being some kind of Windows issue (or with Slate plugins as Noel stated). 
Best of luck

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 12:16:41 (permalink)
I have the same issues as the OP. Sonar just will not open some projects unless you do it in safe mode. I do not have Slate plug ins at all , I use what comes with Sonar. If you look at the crash dump it is the Bus Compressor module or the Saturation Knob module most of the time causing the problem.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 12:46:18 (permalink)
i73930k @4.5 ghz ? I remember a while ago having an overclocked system running well - no crash at all - memtest ok - temp was very low, games were running well ...
 
Then i tried a demo of Mixcraft  and the demo project crashed !!!? Start using Sonar X3 more intensively - Some Crash !!!?
 
One morning i went back to a standard non-overclocked system . Surprise no more crash in Mixcraft and Sonar. Now with Platinum it's super stable (only remember one or two crash since then)
 
my two cents ...
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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 12:56:47 (permalink)
This sounds like a classic case of a computer that is way overdue for a nice fresh start in life. 
Grab a nice new SSD take a deep breath and start fresh. I'll almost guarantee it will work. 
Keep the old drive and use it as a data back up. 
 
 

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 15:00:55 (permalink)
My old rig from the Sonar 8 days started giving me trouble with X1. It was stable and would sometimes crash, but eventually it just BSOD on any audio exporting I tried to do.
 
I built a new i7 a couple weeks ago and I can say Platinum is more stable than the previous versions, with my new machine I've had zero issues.
 
I hope you get this sorted out, seeing stuff like this to me is like seeing someone broken down on the highway. I know what it feels like and it sucks big time :(
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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 16:46:54 (permalink)
I have problems too.
 
Just not with SONAR Platinum Foxboro.
 
Lately Slate's stuff seems to be OK. The only real problem for me is FG-X will radomly (on a project open) reset all its parms to zero.
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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 16:55:12 (permalink)
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I have problems too.
 
Just not with SONAR Platinum Foxboro.
 


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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 17:20:17 (permalink)
To the OP... your title is disingenuous... You are making an ignorant judgement call, like a climate denier in face of all the evidence to the contrary.  "I'm having serious difficulties getting Platinum to work on my system at the moment... Please HELP" would be an accurate depiction.
 
I really get so fed up/tired of shallow thinking people acting like FOX notnews spreading garbage.  You got issues.  Fine!  But "

Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever." 

 
Sound like denier propaganda spread by competing industries.  After reading this thread I don't think that's what you are... I urge you to rejigger your headline... it is pure bullpucky...it's a lie.  Platinum is the most stable platform yet for 99 percent of us... You're obviously here for help...show a little humility and appreciation, along with your frustration.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 17:21:15 (permalink)
Check what cakewalk says.Remove slate plugins. No longer crashes?
What's it say in the windows event viewer? Get the full error message.
Lots of people guessing what the problem is here. Get the facts first before you go for more drastic measures.

Standard 'blind' advice normally is...

Backup!

Scan for viruses and malware. After that temporarily disable antivirus.
Run windows update several time Inc optional updates.
Update your plugins.
Update your audio interface and drivers.
Run chkdsk
Goto Intel driver update.
Remove app that might be hogging your resources, process explorer is helpful here.
Consider a motherboard BIOS update.
Run latencymon.

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Re: Seriously.... Platinum simply is the most unstable software platform ever. 2015/07/26 18:48:37 (permalink)
And I do not think that the new title is awesome... Kind of discouraging / annoying, when trying to help. I do not feel the need to get any further into this thread now.

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