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[Solved] X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
WTF happened? Everything was running smooth as silk, then all of a sudden, during periodic auto-saves I get an instant crash, no hope of saving anything. I started a new project as a test, then hit save, instant crash. I have plenty of gigs left on my data drive, I haven't installed anything new in the last few months, and then all of a sudden this starts. What the heck is going on? Help!
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 21:58:30
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That is rather odd. What are your I/O buffers set to (Advanced Mode: Preferences->Audio->Synch and Caching)? If something just "suddenly happens," it is often a change to system configuration. Did you install or modify your machine any before this began happening?
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 22:06:27
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I've changed nothing. The only change that happened is Windows did some auto-updates.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 22:07:20
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Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 22:10:04
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nullobject I've changed nothing. The only change that happened is Windows did some auto-updates.
If it's been ages since your drivers have been updated now is probably the time to consider updating them, but check event viewer first + chkdsk I suggest. http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=2928792
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 22:15:33
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After looking in event viewer I show 3 events after 3 attempted saves-Session "Microsoft Security Client OOBE" stopped due to the following error: 0xC000000D
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 22:18:24
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The weird part is saving a project that is blank also causes the crash.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 22:21:14
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It "appears" that MS Security Client is attempting to virus scan your project during the save. If you disable that when running X3c, does it resolve this?
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 22:24:10
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I don't know where that would be?
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 22:27:52
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Are you using any other virus scanner other than Microsoft security essentials? If so they could be conflicting. If not please uninstall MS Security essentials, reboot and then reinstall: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/security-essentials-download Any further errors in the event viewer please give us the full error, there are copy faculties within the event viewer itself. And we have no idea about your environment, would it be possible to update your footer to look similar to mine? Thanks...
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 22:48:26
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I'll have to do some research to get all the info you have in your footer. The only other program was Zone Alarm, I disabled that and nothing changed. I've updated all my drivers, my next step is uninstalling Microsoft Security and re-installing. The thing that I don't understand is what the heck changed to make this happen all of a sudden?
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 23:03:23
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Oh ZoneAlarm and MS security essentials at the same time, well that may explain it. I in fact run ZoneAlarm quite happily, I can give advise on configuration tomorrow (I've got it optimized for Sonar), in the meantime could you please go to ZoneAlarm -> Help -> About -> Copy to Clipboard and paste here please. Make sure you remove your serial number though!! If it's expired let me know... BTW you might think you've disabled ZoneAlarm but you haven't (impossible without removal). Then we can decide on best course of action... Cheers...
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 23:24:05
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ZoneAlarm Free Firewall version: 10.1.065.000 vsmon version: 10.1.065.000 Driver version: 10.0.217.000 ZoneAlarm Browser Security: 1.5.350.0 ZoneAlarm ForceField Spyware Scanner: 1.5.53.235 ZoneAlarm ForceField Anti-Phishing Database: 1.2.104.0 ZoneAlarm ForceField Spyware Sites Database: 04.155 I'm using the free version obviously
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/05 23:39:52
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Sorry what's the windows version and version of Sonar? (64 bit or 32 bit?). Trying to work out best option for ZoneAlarm, depending on the OS. Might need total removal.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 00:07:31
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Windows 7 home premium Sonar Producer x3c 64 bit
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 00:31:17
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Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 09:33:34
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Thanks for all your help first of all. I've completed all the above steps up to full virus scan. Removing ZoneAlarm had no effect on the problem, but hey, if it's 1 less useless program I'm running, so much the better. I'm now running the full virus scan...looks like it's gonna be awhile, I'll check in later with the results.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 16:48:03
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Full virus scan. No problems. No success. Drivers all updated, all steps above you suggested completed. Sent .dmp files to Cakewalk. Guess we'll have to see what they come up with.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 16:56:56
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I called cakewalk today, and spoke to a tech in less than 10 min...hasn't solved anything yet, did some tweaks, asked questions and gave info etc, But I got a ticket going, and I was emailed some tech tip on my mixing desk, and win 7 tweaks to help try to nail down the problem.... I think you should Give them a call....turn of all security and firewalls...is what I suggest. check out the post about win 7 tweaks I posted...if you want to try it.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 17:56:27
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I saw in a couple of web threads that deleting/renaming one file seemed to clear it up for some folks. Might be worth trying. Here is the snippet from one of the threads: "Problem 2: “Microsoft Security Client OOBE” stopped due to the following error: 0xC000000D It looks like this is caused by some kind of corruption in the AV Client, anyways simply rename the following file and reboot: C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Microsoft Security Client\Support\EppOobe.etl (add .old or something) Fixed!" Please note that the above path is in a hidden folder (ProgramData), so you might need to enable viewing of hidden folders. Hope that works for you, Bob Bone
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 18:09:49
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Just got off the the phone with Cakewalk tech. He had me uninstall and re-install visual C++ 2005,2008,2012. Nope. Didn't work. This is what Windows event viewer is giving me. Faulting Application Path: C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Producer\SONARPDR.exe
Problem signature Problem Event Name: BEX64 Application Name: SONARPDR.exe Application Version: 20.0.3.239 Application Timestamp: 526fbabb Fault Module Name: SONARPDR.exe Fault Module Version: 20.0.3.239 Fault Module Timestamp: 526fbabb Exception Offset: 0000000000de4898 Exception Code: c0000005 Exception Data: 0000000000000008 OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: bfd5 Additional Information 2: bfd560a1aee3deef206ac7cdd904d7d7 Additional Information 3: 4cd9 Additional Information 4: 4cd97ef635cb8d5281d38a578ffff5cc
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 18:16:40
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I believe that error is an access violation. Are you launching Sonar with explicit Run as Administrator? And, did you also do the original installation of Sonar the same way? it is not enough just to BE an administrator, you must explicitly launch the installer with Run As Administrator, to get elevated privileges/permissions. And for whatever the worth, if any, I always have Sonar running with Run As Administrator, and modified the Properties of the Sonar icon (under advanced) to set that option. Bob Bone
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 18:17:57
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EppOobe.etl rename or deletion doesn't work either. The mystery continues.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 18:27:18
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I still have x2 on my computer and have no problems saving files. Never had to run the program as Administrator before. I've tried running X3 as administrator and that doesn't fix the problem either.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 18:45:02
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Another option I would try first is to re-apply the X3c patch and see if that helps. Based on this "just happening," a "short term" solution is to back Windows to a point when you know X3c was working fine (i.e. doing a system restore of your machine prior to that set of MS updates would remove them). Start-> and type "System Restore" in the search area. Then you can choose a "restore point" back to when you know X3c was working fine. Also... that list (after you hit the "Next" button) will show what system level installations occurred and when (may provide more insight). You can also select a restore point and "Scan affected programs" to see what will change from doing the restore. Actually, just knowing what is in the restore point list in the past few days might help.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 18:48:54
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So I run X2 as a test everything saves fine. So I thought, it's most likely not drivers, permissions, firewalls, etc. While I'm pondering my bleak Cakewalk recording future, I notice my X3c patch sitting on my desktop, and I'm thinking, my troubles didn't start till installed that little bastard. I realize I most likely can't downgrade to X3b without a lot of hassle so I thought about something that I hadn't considered doing and that no one had suggested...what would happen if I ran the X3c patch again? What do I have to lose at this point? So I ran the patch again, successfully annnnnddd....EVERYTHING'S FINE AGAIN! Are you kidding me? Good Lord. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. We'll see how long this one lasts....at least if I get the error, I'll know what to do.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 19:13:31
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The error post you made (#21 above) pointed pretty much straight to "SONARPDR.exe" so it is possible it was corrupted somehow. The patch file contains that file so was the quickest way to test. I am actually glad it was that simple.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 20:17:48
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Don't know if this would have solved your problem, but before I install anything, I turn off any virus protection software. Sometimes it flips out if your installation is trying to do something to the system.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 20:50:52
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> I've completed all the above steps up to full virus scan. > "SONARPDR.exe" so it is possible it was corrupted somehow. Hence the idea to run chkdsk earlier. Glad you got it fixed, but I would still run chkdsk now on your hard drives if you haven't done it yet (regardless of it being fixed or not) just in case there still is corruption somewhere.
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Re: X3c Suddenly every save = instant crash!
2013/12/06 20:53:53
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robert_e_bone I saw in a couple of web threads that deleting/renaming one file seemed to clear it up for some folks. Might be worth trying. Here is the snippet from one of the threads: "Problem 2: “Microsoft Security Client OOBE” stopped due to the following error: 0xC000000D It looks like this is caused by some kind of corruption in the AV Client, anyways simply rename the following file and reboot: C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Microsoft Security Client\Support\EppOobe.etl (add .old or something) Fixed!" Please note that the above path is in a hidden folder (ProgramData), so you might need to enable viewing of hidden folders. Hope that works for you, Bob Bone
I think #16 would have been by far and the best way to resolve this, ZoneAlarm Free + security essentials = not good and reinstalling should have cleared any legacy issues in the event viewer. Just deleting the .etl has had mixed results apparently.
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