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I can't tell if someone owns SONAR or not. But given there was a thread on the same page where he posted about a plug-in created by a SONAR user that allows for internal sends ("ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together and give a warm forum round of applause for...Silktone!!), and using sidechaining to do it has been discussed, one gets the sense he hadn't put a lot of effort into trying to solve his problems with SONAR and his post didn't do anything to dissuade someone from that opinion. The statement about "clutter" shows he's probably not hip to the "D" command, screensets, etc.
 
What people often forget is that SONAR has all the functionality of a quarter of a million dollar studio from not that long ago (less the sweet mic locker and acoustic treatment, of course). No one expected to walk into Record Plant and record an album without an engineer, a tape op, and a producer. Now people with little experience are trying to navigate a system of equal or greater complexity, in the environment of a computer that was not designed primarily with artistic purposes and real-time streaming in mind.
 
"White screens" happen for a variety of reasons but in my experience it's due to too much stuff going on at once, like Windows booting up, scanning for viruses, etc. It's the same principle as tape machines. Until braking systems got good, you were always better off hitting Stop before hitting Rewind or Fast Forward. 

Just been away from my computer. Heard there's a red under every bed, so I've been off checking. Didn't find any.

Has anything happened.

I can see the point of taking exception to the OP's post and the reaction it got. Instead why not look at Beepsters posts that were outstanding and turned a very bad thread into a winning thread. 
 
I think we can dwell on the negative or we can see something really much better. Its up to us to decide.

Beachboy, I too migrated from other software when SONAR first came out and never regretted it. There's a saying that "the DAW you like is the DAW you know" and it will take you some time to become facile with SONAR. Even those using 8.5 found the transition to the X-series difficult. However, Once you know all the little tips and tricks, you'll find SONAR is unique in its workflow. I have never been so productive since X3 came out, it realized the potential of the X-series and Platinum just builds on it.
 
The only drawback I've found is that SONAR is very picky about its Windows environment. Its code has hooks deep into the operating system, which is one reason why a Mac version will probably never appear (although of course, it runs great under Boot Camp). To SONAR, a Windows computer is like a combination lock - when all the tumblers are in place, it opens up. But that's why this forum is so great - because odds are someone has experienced whatever problem you have, and can offer a solution or a workaround.
 
There's a reason why this forum is considered one of SONAR's outstanding "features"!

Anderton
The only drawback I've found is that SONAR is very picky about its Windows environment. Its code has hooks deep into the operating system, which is one reason why a Mac version will probably never appear (although of course, it runs great under Boot Camp). To SONAR, a Windows computer is like a combination lock - when all the tumblers are in place, it opens up. But that's why this forum is so great - because odds are someone has experienced whatever problem you have, and can offer a solution or a workaround.
 
There's a reason why this forum is considered one of SONAR's outstanding "features"!

Craig,
You make it sound like Sonar's pickyness is a feature. 

microapp

Anderton
The only drawback I've found is that SONAR is very picky about its Windows environment. Its code has hooks deep into the operating system, which is one reason why a Mac version will probably never appear (although of course, it runs great under Boot Camp). To SONAR, a Windows computer is like a combination lock - when all the tumblers are in place, it opens up. But that's why this forum is so great - because odds are someone has experienced whatever problem you have, and can offer a solution or a workaround.
 
There's a reason why this forum is considered one of SONAR's outstanding "features"!

Craig,
You make it sound like Sonar's pickyness is a feature. 

Not sure how you got that out of his post. The one thing I like about Craig being involved with Gibson and thus indirectly with Cakewalk is that he's pretty blunt about it's shortcomings and the stability weirdness is one that I've seen him acknowledge on multiple occasions (which I think he has done again here).
 
It's not that it's so buggy that it's unuseable but you have to be a little more careful with it than with a couple of the other DAWs out there (and really I think there are only two or three that outperform in this regard so it's not like Sonar is trailing the pack by any means... it's just not currently at the very top of the stability list). What I have noticed in the past year is a massive improvement in stability and concerted effort to resolve these issues. Having someone like Craig around who knows what the heck he's talking about and is willing to point out these things will inevitably benefit the end product much more than a yes man only concerned with marketing cliches and moving product.
 
The other thing is with X1 and X2 you were dealing with a HUGE pile of new stuff... actually almost a whole new program really with X1. As far as X2 I think a major problem was that on top of being only the second release after such a massive rewrite they started implementing some really nutty stuff which may have been poorly timed.
 
Like coding it for Windows 8 before Win 8 was even released and cramming in a ton of touch features. I'm guessing that they wrote it based on whatever pre-release MS gives to developers and then when 8 finally did come out MS had changed so much crap it turned into a mess (and then MS continued screwing around with 8 quite drastically because it was turning into yet another "between good versions" flop like Vista or ME and the like). The Bakers probably just threw their hands up in the air and said "Frack it! This is a mess. let's just focus on getting the next version right." and they did. They had a semi mature and patched Win 8 to program around, touch had advanced and become less of a joke and Sonar X series itself had had enough time to be user tested on a broader level so a lot of those nasty quirks could be ironed out.
 
Now they have a good, solid and mature platform to work with instead of chasing around a million little bugs and oddities. They can take their time to really hammer out some of the remaining little program farts and implement all the crazy requests we users are making (and it is already starting to show with this current release).
 
I mean look at the release of X3 compared to X2. There was very little squawking with X3 and most of the problems were relatively minor and most got patched pretty quickly. Now with the "New" Sonar (still wish there was a more definitive name for it than that but whatever) we've seen a few complaints here and there but overall they seem even less than with X3 and we are still in the absolute raw first release (as in no patches to date).
 
Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic but I think things are going in the right direction as far as stability and I think they have a good chance of getting rid of that "buggy" reputation once and for all and may even get themselves right at the top of the list of DAWs in this regard. There is ONE contender I think they will have a VERY hard time over taking in regards to stability and accessibility on low powered systems (who shall remain nameless) but the robustness of the package and hyper advanced workflow compared to that competitor kind of makes it moot IMO.
 
Anyway... I've never seen Craig make excuses for bugs or shortfalls. Quite the opposite in fact.
 
As far as assuming the OP was a troll... well I may have jump the gun a little but really that post served no purpose. If they return with some legitimate details and desire to solve the problems I will immediately apologize. Considering they marked my first post as "Best Answer" though gives me the impression I did not really offend them.
 
Who knows... it's the internet. Wackiness abounds.

Sanderxpander
I had the exact same idea as Microapp after reading Craig's post :)
Perhaps the metaphore simply wasn't perfect.

I think he was emphasising the benefit of the community in being able to help sort out system specific issues... not the actual bugs themselves.
 
I don't think Craig experiences many of the problems others do because he's always at the system (and it is probably a REALLY nice system) and knows this stuff inside and out. It's a little harder for those of us who aren't quite into the guts of stuff all the time. I know it has taken me a good long time to figure out decent problem resolution with Sonar and my computer. Generally I just have to drop a question into the queue though and someone comes along to save my sorry arse (usually scook... lol).
 
Considering I knew next to NOTHING about computers or DAWs a few short years ago (not that I'm an expert now but I get things done) I'd say that's a pretty good endorsement for this place. Sometimes an old post of mine gets dredged up to the top of the list and feel utter shame and embarrassment at how completely ridiculous it seems now. No one yelled at me or called me stupid (like might have happened elsewhere). They just helped me get through it. I did however try to refrain from freaking out or lashing out sooooo... yanno.

No qualms at all (and thanks for the props but really they are undeserved... seriously I'm a nobody hack in the grand scheme of things, still learning). Not trying to be argumentative here either. I just read that differently and don't think Craig was trying to spin any problems into "features". Just that despite those problems one will probably have more success getting help than perhaps one may get if they were on other platforms.
 
Honestly though, and I do realize Craig does have to toe the party line somewhat, based on the things he used to say about Sonar before getting hired by Gibson and what he says now I gotta say I don't really see a huge difference. It is slightly more dressed up I guess and he's here more often touting the benefits of Sonar but much of the core message and opinions seems to be mostly unaltered. It isn't even so much dressing it up as much as saying "okay, I hear ya and I've experienced this myslef but here's a bunch of ways to get around that" or "yanno, I'd really like to see that improved myself too". If you read the old SOS articles he's written on Sonar you can see even back then when the program was... well still a little more questionable there's a lot of love going on and I think it's for the same reasons I like Sonar. It's really a good tool for a guitar player wanting to create full band arrangements on their own.
 
I really shouldn't be speaking on the man's behalf though. It's just the impressions I get from it all and it is a stark difference from what the Baker's post or even some of the forum members.
 
Meh... I should probably stop yammering.
 
Cheers.

lol... you must have missed my little meltdown when they released X3 leaving X2 all wonky. I was not amused. All is well now though... because I'm on X3.

Let's just try to play nice. We were ALL newbies once.

 
Yes we were. But that didn't give me or anyone else the right to wade in wearing my size 12's with guns blazing, attacking Cakewalk, their staff, users or the program itself.
 
Surely as a rank newbie, you tread carefully and try to be conciliatory until you do find out what the crack is with a particular forum.
 
If it wasn't for the the likes of Bitflipper, John, Bapu & CJ I was ready to throw the towel in myself over what were nothing more than little niggles (in retrospect) and that was after reading Scott's Sonar Power book from cover to cover before I even launched Sonar.

jatoth,
+1

I had put X3E on my I7 laptop when I first got it. I tried playing some existing projects and it was OK.
A few weeks ago, I tried my guitar with it with the intention of using TH2 for practice with headphones.
I had an absolutely terrible time with the laptop audio-in and Sonar. The laptop has WDM/KS and WaveRT and I spent like 2 days trying every driver mode and combination trying to get audio-in working. I finally gave up and tried ASIO4ALL (yeah, I know) and it immediately worked. 
Maybe a baker can explain to me why ASIO4ALL works as a converter between Sonar and WDM but Sonar cannot interface directly with WDM/KS in many situations. What does ASIO4ALL know that Cake does not?
Anyway, I tried TH2 in an attempt to get close to the sound of my outboard gear and wound up going back to GR5.
Beep, are you using the TH2 that came with X3P or the full version?
Maybe I need to play with it more. I have heard only good things about it.

Beepster
Mind you Sonar brings my laptop to its KNEES so these experiments were using another DAW who shall remain nameless. My lappy is POS though. Yours is likely much more suited to the task.

Yes my laptop is actually much more powerful than my studio desktop , plus I added an SSD to it.  I was waiting for the next Sonar to upgrade the studio PC.  The laptop  has the Conexant HD audio chipset AND win 8.1 though. I think this may be part of the problem.
I tried other audio interfaces too, like a little generic dongle (looks like a bluetooth adapter) I use for my older laptop and also a guitar to USB cable. Sonar would have none of this without ASIO4ALL. With ASIO4ALL and the Conexant audio, the WDM and WaveRT modes work at any available bit-rate and with a roundtrip latency of 8 ms @48K. WIth Sonar set for ASIO of course.
I will give your TH2 suggestions a try. The lite version only has limited effects so I may look at the full version.

Anderton

microapp

Anderton
The only drawback I've found is that SONAR is very picky about its Windows environment. Its code has hooks deep into the operating system, which is one reason why a Mac version will probably never appear (although of course, it runs great under Boot Camp). To SONAR, a Windows computer is like a combination lock - when all the tumblers are in place, it opens up. But that's why this forum is so great - because odds are someone has experienced whatever problem you have, and can offer a solution or a workaround.
 
There's a reason why this forum is considered one of SONAR's outstanding "features"!

Craig,
You make it sound like Sonar's pickyness is a feature. 

Not sure if that's meant as humor or not...if it was humor, I apologize but if you meant it, i called the pickyness a "drawback" and said "But that's why this forum is so great - because odds are someone has experienced whatever problem you have, and can offer a solution or a workaround. There's a reason why this forum is considered one of SONAR's outstanding 'features'!"
 
It's the FORUM that's the outstanding feature. That's you guyz 

It was meant to illustrate something serious in a humorous way.
Yes, you say the pickyness is a drawback, then you blame it on Windows and the fact that Sonar has 'deep hooks into the OS'. I don't really think interfacing with audio drivers is deep hooks into the OS even with kernel mode drivers. The very fact that there are drivers in WIndows is to prevent needing hooks deep into the OS.
This seems to imply that Sonar has some kind of secret OS sauce that if applied correctly will yield superior results. All DAWs and all audio programs are presented with the same audio driver interfaces in Windows on a given system so it is kind of a level playing field from the DAW point of view.
A few posts back I described trying to get Sonar to work on a fairly high end laptop. I could not get it to work until I added ASIO4ALL (I am not a big fan of ASIO4ALL) . If an outfit that gives away their program has figured out how to make an ASIO to WDM converter that works in cases where Sonar fails completely why cannot Cakewalk look into this? Seems like it would go a long way towards eliminating the pickyness.
And yes I know about resources, priorities, etc. But this is a stability/compatibilty/robustness issue that affects the overall perception of Sonar as a serious professional DAW. It should have very high if not highest priority.