Something tells me SONAR is on the way out...

An iPod or iPad is not going to replace a full bore DAW, whether it's PT, Sonar, or whatever DAW software.

fireberd


An iPod or iPad is not going to replace a full bore DAW, whether it's PT, Sonar, or whatever DAW software.

what he said^

maybe one day....

but not THIS day!

Theoretically, the OP might be correct.

We'll know for sure on 12/22/2012.

DAW= Software replaced most of the hardware in the studio.
The balance of how much of both has grown towards the software end of the scale as things improved and became affordable.
AT a certain point you hit the wall and you still need hardware to input to the software.
What runs the software will certainly evolve, and evolve into something only the Si Fi freaks would think of at this point.
It will be small, cheap, not crash, and you will most likely boss it around by talking to it.( politely or it will send you to your room without dinner).

The iPad would be a decent platform for a mixing controller, but as a DAW!!!??? The thing doesn't even have a USB port... no SD slots of any kind; at this point, iPad is a cool toy. (Controlling the new upcoming Omnisphere looks pretty cool though.)

It appears to me the most of you are not thinking

There seems to be a widely agreed narrow view of what I am getting at.  It's not the "threat" of Apple devices replacing PCs.  It's the flexibility and functionality which makes using these devices so attractive.  And with that in mind, PCs having nothing that compares not to mention the compatibility, those new capabilities will not be available for use with SONAR.  Apple already has the huge lead over PCs and now with so many other companies, software and others, it is not likely that Microsoft or anyone else will develop and improve upon what is already readily available with Apple.   

Give that a thought.

Kind regards,


Living Room Rocker

Living Room Rocker


It appears to me the most of you are not thinking

There seems to be a widely agreed narrow view of what I am getting at.  It's not the "threat" of Apple devices replacing PCs.  It's the flexibility and functionality which makes using these devices so attractive.  And with that in mind, PCs having nothing that compares not to mention the compatibility, those new capabilities will not be available for use with SONAR.  Apple already has the huge lead over PCs and now with so many other companies, software and others, it is not likely that Microsoft or anyone else will develop and improve upon what is already readily available with Apple.   

Give that a thought.

Kind regards,


Living Room Rocker

It appears to me that you have an agenda.  why the need to insult people if they disagree with you?
 
In 20 years will DAWs look like they do today?  No. 
 
will recording engineers carry around an iPad or something similar?  probably. 
 
will Sonar go away in the next 20 years because of changes in the computer industry based on human interface needs and desires?  probably not.
 
will you go away from sonar in the next 20 years?  probably because you're already thinking about doing it.
 
will the rest of us suffer because you have left? 
 
 
not even going there.

Beagle

fireberd


An iPod or iPad is not going to replace a full bore DAW, whether it's PT, Sonar, or whatever DAW software.

what he said^

(raising my hand with him)..love the new pic..lol..!!

( today I tell last night stories)
Last night I did sound for a great trio "April Verch". Bluegrass etc. The Bass player opened an  app on his iPhone that was a  Spectrograph. It showed a clear 400hz hump in the room, I EQ the PA and wow? I'm in, sign me up Apple. I hate Apple stuff because it's so "buy me" but it is cool.

I am not going to make this personal, but Beagle, I am really disappointed by your taking such offense.  I have used Cakewalk software for a long time now and have invested pretty regularly, not to mention much time invested as well.  Now the CW have made such drastic change to SONAR, users will now have go through a complete life cycle before it working the way it was prior to X1.  Take it from me, I know a little more about this than you do.  So, if I express disappointment in CW's new direction, I am well justified by seeing the same old problems persisting to this very release.

Now back to the subject of this thread.  What I am describing is the having the capability of using a mobile device to work with your DAW (not replacing it!!, which I never said) that may be utilized for a wide variety of functionality.  The Alesis software turns an iPad into an interface.  With other software, it can also be used as a controller.  In another instance, as already mentioned, an effects board.  The possibility are expanding as days go by.  Now, that is the coolest thing.  One device (NOT Daw) for so many uses.

Coming back to SONAR, none of the above is available to SONAR.  iPAD, iPod or whatever is all Apple...not PC.  That said, I am contemplating whether to stay with SONAR or go with something else.  Again, I have been a loyal CW customer and have even bought more than just SONAR as gifts in hope of turning others on and building the CW user base simply because I believed in CW and their products.  This time around, they did not come through, again.  I am not trying to convenience anyone to make a switch either.  I don't even know what I will decide.  But I do hope that many of us will all see the changing landscape and make CW aware of what we anticipate as user in view of the current products available to us.

Furthermore, I don't think Cakewalk want's to lose customers.  I believe they want to increase their customer base.  And to keep those customer's returning.   So, maybe you won't miss me Beagle and Scott (whom I am also a bit dissapointed in).  Cakewalk just might should I decide to leave.

Stay narrow minded or widen your view.

Kind regards,


Living Room Rocker

Boys and the price of their TOYS ...

For example there is the new IK Ivoice  vocal FX app...

the dreaded Tpain autotune effect plus a choir harmonizer

cute? yes. trippy for a campy fx on stage? yes

take the place of my TC helicon vocal rack fx ? no

jcschild


Dude wake up.. you are talking toys vs pro level daws...

while a tablet may become far more powerful than the present ones we have
so will the software. meaning you will need a desktop..

if you want to play with toys then by all means move on to a lesser ability toy.
if i was cake i would not waste dev $ on toys. mac pro ? maybe but not toys...

Scott
ADK

Scott, maybe you should wake up.  I have not said anything about a device or software replacing another device (PC) or software (SONAR).  Are you going to try to convince me that an iPad loaded with controller software working wireless with a desktop is never going to happen.  That I will never be able to us an iPad or and iPod for that matter as a DSP device to run effects or whathave you?  That applications like these are merely toys, even if they work with a pro-DAW?  This surprise me greatly coming from you, a tech guy.

Whatever man.

syntheticpop


The title of your thread reads, "Something tells me Sonar is on its way out..." which implies that it will be replaced with something else, such as the Alesis' new iPOD interface.  It's a great novel idea and transforms an IPOD into a instrument/mic interface with a digital workstation but is not full blown and will never replace a professional DAW such as Sonar.  That is why Scott is trying to get you to wake up.  Something like this is innovative and makes recording even easier and more mobile but won't be replacing the big guns anytime soon.

Hi syntheticpop,

Not quite the line of thought I implied.  Consider all the other DAW software programs available.  Now consider the five, six, seven or so most well known.  Guess what they all have in common.  They all run on Apple computers.  Of the most well known at the professional level you will find this to be true.  SONAR is the only professional DAW program that runs exclusively on a Windows PC (this does not include audio editors such as Sound Forge).  That being so, an Apple device such as an iPad will not work with SONAR as long as it is a Window program.  Therefore, all the advantages of using an mobile Apple device are lost on SONAR.

Do people here just respond to the title of threads around here or do they actually read posts?

the point is not that Apple or any other hardware/OS is ahead, but i agree, HOW we interact with software is gonna change for the future. i'd love for someone to come up with an app for my HTC (Android) phone, whereby via Bluetooth i could control the Transport in Sonar remotely, perfect for when i'm playing an instrument or singing...

but it doesn't have to be Apple, and they are so not ahead of PCs at this moment in time - and iPods/Pads/Phones all work well with Windows - anyone who wants the same as a top-spec Mac Pro is gonna get a better PC from ADK or whoever with enough money left over for a decent round of software...