marcoR
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/11 21:42:29
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The FxEq works for me in both 2.2 and 3. Are you doing this? 1. Patch the FxEq to the desired track in Sonar (Keep the FxEq in view). 2. Press “SEL†on the corresponding track on the FW-1884. The button will light. up. 3. Select any of the EQ control frequency buttons. (High, Hi-Mid, Low-Mid, etc) The button will light. 4. Turn the gain encoder and you should see the curve changing on the graphic view of the FxEq. I hope that helps…
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/11 22:06:37
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I have tried this. One thing I should add is that when I first attempted to use the EQ in the 1884 the gain was working but only the gain. After I tried the remote control with the EQ knobs and then disabled the remote (after it worked poorly) and went back to using them normally (the way you explained) and now I have no response. I wonder if there is a way to set everything in the 1884 back to default and try again or I might just wait for the new drivers and hope for the best.
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marcoR
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/11 22:48:24
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I couldn't find anywhere a way to set everything back to default. There is a Default MIDI Control Values.pdf on the install CD. It should help you get back to where you started. Thats sucks though...
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/11 22:59:02
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I wonder if there is a way to set everything in the 1884 back to default According to the PDF manual I downloaded: "While in MIDI CTRL surface mode, SHIFT+CTRL+F8 resets the MIDI surface programming to factory default settings." Hope this helps.
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Mockster
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/11 23:15:38
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According to the PDF manual I downloaded: "While in MIDI CTRL surface mode, SHIFT+CTRL+F8 resets the MIDI surface programming to factory default settings." Hope this helps. I down loaded the manual and already tried the SHIFT+CTRL+F8. Unfortunately, this did not help. When I move any of the EQ encoders(knobs) I see the midi activity light blink. Cakewalk tech support recommended trying a program called MIDIox that can be download from midiox.com, it's free so I might try this. Thanks.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/11 23:17:59
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Oh well-- figured I'd take a shot. <g>
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Mockster
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/11 23:21:32
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Appreciate you trying. Thanks.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/12 06:50:23
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Iguess its a good time to be broke, as I would be have some of the same problems, maybe I wait till the new drivers are out, please post when they are out
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/12 10:20:48
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"While in MIDI CTRL surface mode, SHIFT+CTRL+F8 resets the MIDI surface programming to factory default settings." Actually, you have to leave MIDI CTRL mode for SHIFT+CTRL+F8 to reset the MIDI surface programming. Details…
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/12 18:57:18
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TO get my latencu down I had to use mme drivers; I got down to about 30ms with 4 buffers in playback running a p4 2.4 and 1028megs of ram and xp home. GO figure that you have to use MME over WDM
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/13 15:33:06
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I am on my 2nd FW-1884. The first froze. Even before it did, I had sync problems. So, I returned it . Then, I bought a new computer (MusicXPC) and tried a new/different FW-1884. After several attempts, tweaking and much frustration, I wasn't even able to get the software to install correctly. I have been a loyal and satisfied TEAC/Tascam user for over 20 years, but I've got to let go of this one for now. It goes back Monday. Maybe I'll come back to it when it is more stable. Good luck to all who decide to live on the cutting edge. This time it's a little to sharp for me.
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didger
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/13 15:43:18
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Hey RMorgan, I know you're discouraged now (as I have been), but why return it Monday when Frontier said they're probably delivering new drivers/installers to Tascam on Monday? They've been working on these for months, as evidenced by Jay's experience, and he said even a hastily made small tweak on the ASIO drivers made it work for him. If you're still within your returning window for another week, I say at least wait to try the new drivers! That's what I'm doing. RG
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RMorgan712
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/13 20:33:52
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didger, Thanks for the encouragement and info. I was scanning the previous posts and missed the reference to the new drivers. Hope they improve the installation process as well. I have a good & long relataionship with my local Dealer, so waiting a few days shouldn't be a problem. No doubt they would prefer a sale over a return. Let's hope Frontier and Tascam are prompt in their deliveries.
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Mockster
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/14 11:52:15
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The eq works just fine in Sonar 3 for me! Sheesh, everybody's got a different problem. The only thing that confused me about the eq was that the frequency nob didn't do anything on a selected band until I had done something with the gain nob. Update! I started a couple new projects and found out the encoders on my 1884 do control the fxEQ in Sonar after all. They seem to work the same as didger reported. You must move the gain encoder first before the frequency or Q do anything. Once you know this all is good. However, after deleting the Cakewalk fxEQ and trying to control the Sonitus EQ which is automatically assigned to a track once the EQ enable button is pushed, I found it did not work. The 1884 has no control to the Sonitus EQ which is kind of disappointing since it would only take one click of the enable button and then you have EQ on that track. Anyway, since the Sonitus EQ was not working with the 1884 I disabled it and patched the fxEQ to the same track. Guess what?! The 1884 would not control the Cakewalk fxEQ. It seems if you try to use the Sonitus EQ and then disable it and go to the Cakewalk fxEQ the 1884 gets confused(or Sonar does) and the 1884 EQ encoders will not work. I started a new project with 4 instances of the fxEQ on four different tracks and the 1884 is working great. I will not attempt to use the Sonitus EQ for now.
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digipenguin
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/14 18:42:51
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I could write a book about this thing after what I've been through in the last 24hrs. Basically my view is that thing, with it's current drivers, is crap. I can get it to work perfectly after about 10 mins of twiddling (including disabling the interface and reinstalling the Sonar plugin) but as soon as I restart the computer after a successful session, Sonar doesn't recognize the FW anymore as an audio card (usually). There are a number of other inconsistent, intermittent bugs (including the buttons not lighting up). Very frustrating. I wouldn't recommend this interface to anyone. I'm hoping the new drivers will fix the probs but I wouldn't hold my breath for them coming out on monday. Luckily, I just bought this yesterday so I've got thirty days to return it. Very frustrating. On a side note, I have heard that the FW is picky about which firewire chipset it uses. Does anyone know which is the preferred chipset. The manual shows a picture of a firewire card with a VIA chipset. I am using aTI chipset. For those of you successfully running the FW-1884, what chipset is on your firewire card or mobo?
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/14 19:08:50
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I just wanted to chime in here with this, while I don't have the TASCAM FW unit, I do run Sonar 2.2XL on a windows 2000 P-III, with a Delta 1010. If my memory serves me right... isn't there an issue with 2000 not being able to use more than 10 audio and 10 midi devices? If that is true, could the real issue be that win2k is getting confused by all the drivers, even whatever may be left in the registry after an un-install? Just a thought... carry on...
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digipenguin
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/15 07:31:58
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Ok, so now I'm mostly up and running. I installed DirectX9 and it helped the problems. I am using the WDM(default) drivers. The Tascam control panel is set to 64 samples. The quickstart has analog inputs 1/2,3/4,5/6,7/8 enabled and analog outputs 1/2, 3/4 enabled. Sonar is set to nearly the lowest slider setting with 4 buffers. I believe the latency is somewhere around 3msec/12msec after the buffers. I am experiencing no operational problems, however, I have to run the wave profiler every time I start Sonar and that's after following a very specific shutdown/startup procedure. If I vary from this then I have to do a windows clean uninstall and reinstall of the drivers. I am experiencing no delays when recording. Everything is pretty much instantaneous. I am not satisfied with the product so far but it does show promise and is usable. I am going to use the FW until the new drivers come out but if they do not solve the problem then I will return it. My system is a 1.6G P4 with 256M 3200DDR RAM. ASUS P4XPX mobo. Belkin 1394 pci card with TI chipset. Matrox G450 Dualhead. I am running Sonar3 under XP with SP1 and DirectX9 installed.
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Mockster
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/15 09:30:04
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I have found my 1884 and my computer get along alot better when I do three things. 1. First I turn on the 1884 and then I turn on my computer. When I do this, the computer always recognizes the 1884. 2. Keep my sound blaster card inside my computer disabled. 3. Mute the volume in Windows Media Player (Play/Volume/Mute). Its seems Windows Media Player doesn't get along with the 1884 when using Sonar(WMP hogs the drivers and will not share with Sonar). When I want to use Windows Media Player(when not using Sonar) I just unmute. Actually, I prefer to use Music Match when playing MP3s on my computer. I do not need to mute the volume in Music Match. It does not seem to hog the 1884's drivers like Windows Media Player does when using Sonar. Hope this helps, every computer has its own quirks.
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digipenguin
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/16 07:30:27
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OK, so I swapped my firewire card last nigt with one that uses a VIA chipset. The old one used a TI chipset. Almost flawless operation now. I occasionally get an error when switching between 16 and 24 bit projects which causes the FW to emit a series of fast clicks and Windows to become unresponsive. Most of the time it will eventually open the project after clicking for several seconds but sometimes it gives me a BSOD. It even works now under Sonar2.2 which I could not get it to do at first. If it continues to work I think I'll return S3 and get my $500 back. So my opinion is becoming more favorable for the FW-1884. Why can't anything be easy? Did anybody else get an error during install which stated "no language matches Hotfix"? I think this may be my core problem. I've performed a 'clean' windows install and reinstalled several times. I received this error on every install. The installation manual states that the Windows hotfix is necessary to correct a problem in the way Windows implements 1394 operations. Hopefully the new drivers will correct this snag.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/16 10:05:14
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digipenguin, so glad to hear that you have solved this problem. I am considering purchasing one o f these units to go with Sonar, and it is good to see the unit will work. Keep us updated on your usage.
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didger
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/16 11:28:28
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Did anybody else get an error during install which stated "no language matches Hotfix"? Yes, on my Windows 2000 SP4 machine, but not on my Windows XP SP1. On my Windows 2000, the FW-1884 Control doesn't show up as an option on MIDI output, only on input, so messages don't get back to the 1884. I assumed this was connected to the Hotfix problem. Maybe not? I didn't worry about it because I'm selling the 2000 machine soon, but now you're having that message in XP? Oy, if it's not one thing it's another!
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didger
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/16 11:31:55
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Just got this email from Frontier, as several others probably did, but I thought I'd post it for the world to see here: _________________________________________ We have just sent off a new round of drivers to TASCAM for their approval and posting. I think you will find significant improvement in the audio response of the FW-1884. There are some aspects, particularly with SONAR/ASIO that are waiting for Cakewalk's attention to get completely correct. We are also waiting for access to the new EQ and bussing configurations in SONAR 3 so that we can put those into another update soon. Try the new driver as soon as it gets posted and let us know how it works. _________________________________________
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digipenguin
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/16 11:46:27
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2 way communication is good between Sonar and the FW on my system so you may have another issue on the 2000 system. Oh well, you're selling it anyway. My XP has SP1 installed also, although this is the only Windows update I have installed. Most of the other updates are security issues which don't really bother me as I very rarely have my netcard enabled and when I do I'm sitting behind 2 hardware firewalls and 2 software firewalls. Maybe I should look more closely at those updates and see exactly what they contain. The version of XP I'm using is an upgrade I purchased about 2 years ago, even before SP1 was available. Oh well, I expected all this when I bought the FW seeing as how it's so new. I had a similar experience back when I bought my Guitarport, literally the day it came out. It's frustrating not knowing if the issue is related to your system or the drivers.
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RMorgan712
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/16 18:31:05
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ORIGINAL: didger Just got this email from Frontier, as several others probably did, but I thought I'd post it for the world to see here: Thanks for the post. I appreciate the news, since I don't receive these "insider" emails. Please post when you find that the new drivers are actually available online. Sure hope it is soon. Thanks. Rich
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digipenguin
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/16 20:49:05
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OK. So I tried to use the metronome function to trigger an external synth and Wammo! Lost all communication with the FW. I tried running the 'Wave Profiler' on the off chance it would restore communication but no joy. Closing and reopening Sonar then Running the 'Wave Profiler' cured it. Something in the midi interface is causing Sonar and the FW to lose communication. On a side note. Has anyone tried running the FW under an alternative control surfaces guise. Like the Mackie Control? (actually I think this is the only one available. Or does Sonar support the HUI?) I think I'll try this. Again. Anyone know what Firewire chipset they're using successfully? It's very easy to identify if you don't know how: Goto 'Control Panel' - 'System' - '1394' The name of the installed 1394 firewire interface listed here will most definately be the name of the chipset, not the card manufacturer. For instance, my card is manufactured by Belkin but shows up as 'VIA OHCI Compliant Firewire'. It will probably something like 'Texas Instruments', 'VIA', or 'Ogere'. Anyone?
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marcoR
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/16 22:37:14
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According to Brian at Frontier design group, the chipset shouldn’t make a difference. The only requirement is that it is 6 pin and OHCI compliant. I’ve tried all the “feel good†remedies as well and nothing has yielded consistent results. Although standing on one foot while patting your head and rubbing your belly does improve audio sync. We are at the mercy of the next round of drivers and hopefully Tascam will post them soon. The good news is that they are telling us we should see some big improvements in audio with the new drivers. Which acknowledges that there is a problem with the current ones. The bad news is they have not been able to reproduce the sync issue that I have. If they can’t reproduce it they can’t fix it... The guys at Frontier are working hard on this and are in constant communication with Cakewalk so we are not waiting in vain. Other things to get excited about are the possibilities of bussing and submains with the FE-8. Yes it’s in the works! And of course control for the Ultra Funk EQ, but that probably won’t be for a while (cakewalk has just exposed the code for the new architecture to the developers). Lets hope the guys at Tascam are banging away at the new drivers right now and don’t have to send them back to Frontier before posting them. For now keep the faith!
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didger
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/17 02:17:24
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The only requirement is that it is 6 pin and OHCI compliant. Hey marcoR, Before I bug Brian again, did he really say 6 pin is a requirement, and give any explanation? The manual seemed contradictory, in that it first said the only difference between 4 and 6 is that 6 provides power, and 4 doesn't. Later it said they "recommend" using 6 pin to get full bandwidth. Assuming the new drivers work well, I trust I'll be keeping the FW-1884 for a long time on a different system, but for my immediate needs, I bought it to use with my laptop which only has a 4-pin fw port. I'm heading to a ridiculously remote part of Australia for a year, and was planning on the 1884 being my only big piece of gear to lug! RG
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marcoR
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/17 08:46:40
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No he didn't say that 6 pin is a requirement, only that the chipset shouldn't matter. He happens to use a VIA chipset.
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digipenguin
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/17 08:59:18
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All I know is that the reliability increased 10 fold immediately upon switching firewire cards. Maybe it's because the new one is blue!  Frankly, I don't care why. I'm just happy it's working. It seems strange that they can't reproduce your sync problem even though others here are having the same issues. Oh well, it is possible the new drivers will fix the prob even if they didn't specifically intend for them to. Good Luck!  J
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?
2003/12/17 09:01:56
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I do hope the new driver fixes the metronome prob though. I use it infrequently, but when it's needed, it's really needed. There aren't a whole lot of alternatives unless you want to sit down and program out a click track.
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