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Sonar 32, which OS?
Is there any benifit to running a 64 bit OS (Win7), if you're only using Sonar 32?
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 07:51:34
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If you have more than 4G of RAM then yes, otherwise not really.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 08:05:48
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If you have more than 4G of RAM then yes, otherwise not really.
Thanks Karyn. I thought you needed to run Sonar64 to take advantage of more than 4gigs of ram. No?
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 08:16:05
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No... I think it has its advantages still. I read somewhere once that certain plugins still takes advantage of the extra RAM even if Sonar is 32-bit. Maybe with jBridge? I can't remember the details, I just concluded that "even when in 32-bit DAW there are advantages of 64-bit OS" so then I don't have to bother with remembering the technical details  But why not go 64-bit all the way? Either way, 64-bit is somewhat more future proof at least
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 08:31:17
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But why not go 64-bit all the way? Either way, 64-bit is somewhat more future proof at least
Thanks. Because my soundcard does not and will not support 64 bit.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 08:33:21
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But why not go 64-bit all the way? Either way, 64-bit is somewhat more future proof at least
Thanks.
Because my soundcard does not and will not support 64 bit.
that sucks - what soundcard?
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 08:37:13
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Understandable Timidi. What kind of interface is it?
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
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It's an RME interface. And, yes, I am positive they will not write a 64 bit driver. Reason I ask is that this, http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2362656 is on a UPS truck somewhere and I don't know what to do about, um, sound..
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 08:57:43
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Well, if you don't want to upgrade to a soundcard with 64-bit drivers I would still use Win7 64-bit. At least 32-bit Sonar will work nicely on it and so will your 3rd party pluggs.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 09:19:53
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Well, if you don't want to upgrade to a soundcard with 64-bit drivers I would still use Win7 64-bit. At least 32-bit Sonar will work nicely on it and so will your 3rd party pluggs.
+1! then if you do decide to upgrade the soundcard you'll be ready for it anyway. and...dare I say it? ASIO4ALL MIGHT be a solution, but I'm not sure about that. you could try it and see if it would use your 32bit drivers for the RME in 64bit sonar.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 09:25:31
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Had a closer look at your new computer by the way - 8Gb of RAM? Go 64-bit. you never know when something wants to use it. Might as well make the most of it IMO
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 09:29:14
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Well, if you don't want to upgrade to a soundcard with 64-bit drivers I would still use Win7 64-bit. At least 32-bit Sonar will work nicely on it and so will your 3rd party pluggs.
Huh?...If my soundcard won't work on Win7 64, what's the point in that. Play donkeykong quicker?.....:) " Had a closer look at your new computer by the way - 8Gb of RAM? Go 64-bit. you never know when something wants to use it. Might as well make the most of it IMO Actually, it's 16 gigs now.....Yea, I know what I'm doing......I guess 12 gigs will be good for heat absorption. BTW, Scott from ADK says he got a 32 bit RME card to work on Win7 64, but, he won't say how. Good idea (sort of:) Beagle. asioforall.. Argh..
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 09:33:42
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If I were you, Tim, I'd set up a dual boot system, one 32, one 64bit. but I'd probably do that on separate internal hard drives. I'd buy an extra hard drive just for that purpose. they're not expensive these days, not nearly as expensive as buy a new soundcard at the quality of the RME.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 09:35:20
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Pffft...! Sometimes I forget the bloody obvious Timidi!! Sorry about that  Asio4All would be my bet then if you can't run the 32-bit drivers
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 10:20:03
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If you have more than 4G of RAM then yes, otherwise not really.
Thanks Karyn.
I thought you needed to run Sonar64 to take advantage of more than 4gigs of ram. No?
Win32 is limited to 4G total RAM. Win will grab up to 1.5G of that, then there's all the other background tasks that eat Ram, leaving you with a usable 2G on average for Sonar and everything else that Sonar loads. Win64 removes the 4G limit, so as long as you have more than 4G RAM you will have more available to Sonar. BUT, Sonar 32 can still only access up to (almost) 4G including everything else that Sonar loads. Think of it running inside its own 4G bubble of RAM. All VST/VSTi loaded in your project by Sonar will be inside that 4G bubble. You still end up with approx twice the amount of RAM for Sonar to use which could be the difference between being able to load a BFD2 drumkit or not... But if you don't have 64 bit drivers for your RME then it's a moot point.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 11:04:49
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Is there any benifit to running a 64 bit OS (Win7), if you're only using Sonar 32?
for the Sonar sake no benefits and IMO it's risky. The x64 version of Windows is not capable of natively running 32-bit code. The x64 version of Windows makes use of an emulator known as WOW64 to allow 32-bit applications to run so go figure...Windows x64 can access way more memory so we'll have less disk paging but this will be little of use for Sonar.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 11:11:06
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If you have more than 4G of RAM then yes, otherwise not really.
Are you sure about this? I think a 32 bit process can only access 3 gigs of RAM, even in a 64 bit OS.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 11:13:16
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If you have more than 4G of RAM then yes, otherwise not really.
Thanks Karyn.
I thought you needed to run Sonar64 to take advantage of more than 4gigs of ram. No?
Win32 is limited to 4G total RAM. Win will grab up to 1.5G of that, then there's all the other background tasks that eat Ram, leaving you with a usable 2G on average for Sonar and everything else that Sonar loads.
I haven't had the need to use this software, but Iobit's Gamebooster (FREE) software may help with the limitations of RAM in WIN32. ALthough they're marketing it towards "gamers", the process is the same for any machine. Once installed, Gamebooster lets you choose which software you're going to run (Sonar for ex..) and temporarily shuts down the background processes allowing Sonar to maximize all the available resources. Here's a description of what it does (from their website): "Game Booster 3 is capable of delivering the best gaming experience to you even if you have an old PC. One-click to boost PC performance is not enough, Game Booster 3 also allows you to tweak your system for top PC performance. By temporarily shutting background processes and unnecessary Windows services, cleaning RAM, and intensifying processor performance, Game Booster 3 concentrates every little system resource for gaming only." http://www.iobit.com/gamebooster.html
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 11:26:38
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If you have more than 4G of RAM then yes, otherwise not really.
Thanks Karyn.
I thought you needed to run Sonar64 to take advantage of more than 4gigs of ram. No?
Win32 is limited to 4G total RAM. Win will grab up to 1.5G of that, then there's all the other background tasks that eat Ram, leaving you with a usable 2G on average for Sonar and everything else that Sonar loads.
I haven't had the need to use this software, but Iobit's Gamebooster (FREE) software may help with the limitations of RAM in WIN32. ALthough they're marketing it towards "gamers", the process is the same for any machine. Once installed, Gamebooster lets you choose which software you're going to run (Sonar for ex..) and temporarily shuts down the background processes allowing Sonar to maximize all the available resources. Here's a description of what it does (from their website):
"Game Booster 3 is capable of delivering the best gaming experience to you even if you have an old PC. One-click to boost PC performance is not enough, Game Booster 3 also allows you to tweak your system for top PC performance. By temporarily shutting background processes and unnecessary Windows services, cleaning RAM, and intensifying processor performance, Game Booster 3 concentrates every little system resource for gaming only."
http://www.iobit.com/gamebooster.html
Yes, there are assorted utilities that will clear out extra memory space for you in win32, but non of them can get around the fact that windows itself (not just background tasks) requires RAM and even the utility you're running will use RAM. So still end up with way less than 4G available to Sonar. Running 32bit apps in Win64 uses a virtual machine concept. RAM is assigned to the app as required, up to the 32bit limit, so you get much closer to a usable 4G.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 11:29:37
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Excellent thread Tim. Here is some real world data for you ... My Specs: i5 750 Quad Core (Non-Sandy Bridge) 4GB 1333 RAM Windows 7 x64 SP1 8.5.3/X1c 32 & 64 M-Audio Fast Track Ultra @ 64 Samples RTL 2.9ms Nothing overclocked. Project 96kHz/32bit X1c 32bit 1 Track + Guitar Rig w/Input Echo 'On' Windows Task Manager reports 10 ~ 13% CPU Usage Project 96kHz/32bit X1c 64bit 1 Track + Guitar Rig w/Input Echo 'On' Windows Task Manager reports 8 ~ 10% CPU Usage
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 11:58:30
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If you have more than 4G of RAM then yes, otherwise not really.
Thanks Karyn.
I thought you needed to run Sonar64 to take advantage of more than 4gigs of ram. No?
Win32 is limited to 4G total RAM. Win will grab up to 1.5G of that, then there's all the other background tasks that eat Ram, leaving you with a usable 2G on average for Sonar and everything else that Sonar loads.
I haven't had the need to use this software, but Iobit's Gamebooster (FREE) software may help with the limitations of RAM in WIN32. ALthough they're marketing it towards "gamers", the process is the same for any machine. Once installed, Gamebooster lets you choose which software you're going to run (Sonar for ex..) and temporarily shuts down the background processes allowing Sonar to maximize all the available resources. Here's a description of what it does (from their website):
"Game Booster 3 is capable of delivering the best gaming experience to you even if you have an old PC. One-click to boost PC performance is not enough, Game Booster 3 also allows you to tweak your system for top PC performance. By temporarily shutting background processes and unnecessary Windows services, cleaning RAM, and intensifying processor performance, Game Booster 3 concentrates every little system resource for gaming only."
http://www.iobit.com/gamebooster.html
Yes, there are assorted utilities that will clear out extra memory space for you in win32, but non of them can get around the fact that windows itself (not just background tasks) requires RAM and even the utility you're running will use RAM. So still end up with way less than 4G available to Sonar.
Running 32bit apps in Win64 uses a virtual machine concept. RAM is assigned to the app as required, up to the 32bit limit, so you get much closer to a usable 4G.
Good point Karyn!! These types of utilities possibly would only benefit those in the 32bit environment....... I'm also thinking of building a 64bit machine, so this is good info. Tim, you've got a lot of "muscle" in your machine....put it to use!!! 
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 12:27:36
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Tim, you've got a lot of "muscle" in your machine....put it to use!!! Yea, I'd like to. But, after $1200 for the machine, another $800 for a 64 bit card is a tough pill, especially since my card "works"(32bit). Could someone explain to me what the smart people just said above (in Tim talk) ???????????????
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 12:30:05
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Tim if you have hardware that does not have 64 bit drivers you should not use a 64 bit OS. It will not be available if you do. Win7 or any Windows 64 bit OS needs 64 bit drivers to access the hardware.
If you do have the required 64 bit drivers then a 64 bit OS such as Win 7 will be more stable then its 32 bit counterpart. One reason is that some things are built into the mother board of a 64 bit capable system and not emulated in software. One of these things is security.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 12:30:34
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Could someone explain to me what the smart people just said above (in Tim talk) ???????????????
Uh ... can you point out the 'smart people' above please. I'm not really seeing any.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 14:17:33
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Tim, you've got a lot of "muscle" in your machine....put it to use!!!
Yea, I'd like to. But, after $1200 for the machine, another $800 for a 64 bit card is a tough pill,
especially since my card "works"(32bit).
Could someone explain to me what the smart people just said above (in Tim talk) ???????????????
Since you've already spent $1200, why not just invest a little bit more on a soundcard that's less expensive than the RME? Possibly the OcataCapture from Roland or the QuadCapture (depending on how many in/outs you need). At least you'll be able to utilize your new machine to a higher degree with what's already been invested and take advantage of everything the 64bit world has to offer. Also, you may want to consider selling your RME card (which shouldn't be a problem as it's a high-end card) to fund the purchase of a new card.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 14:20:55
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Since you've already spent $1200, why not just invest a little bit more on a soundcard that's less expensive than the RME? Possibly the OcataCapture from Roland or the QuadCapture (depending on how many in/outs you need). At least you'll be able to utilize your new machine to a higher degree with what's already been invested and take advantage of everything the 64bit world has to offer.
+1
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 15:06:13
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Since you've already spent $1200, why not just invest a little bit more on a soundcard that's less expensive than the RME? Possibly the OcataCapture from Roland or the QuadCapture (depending on how many in/outs you need).
At least you'll be able to utilize your new machine to a higher degree with what's already been invested and take advantage of everything the 64bit world has to offer.
Also, you may want to consider selling your RME card (which shouldn't be a problem as it's a high-end card) to fund the purchase of a new card.
Well, there are a few issues I think about. I guess they all have to do with money. Doesn't it always..... See, I use a Panasonic DA7 mixer as a front end, so I need adat. That said, the DA7 is over 10 years old and I wonder what to do when it dies. So, If I buy an interface like the Roland, it would need to have adat. But then, instead of a direct adat link from the DA7 to the computer, I would have the DA7, to the roland via adat to the computer via USB. I don't like the sound of that. BUT, on the other hand, If I get an RMEe for like $800, all it really has is adat. So, when and if my DA7 dies, then what? More friggin money.. I'm thinkin to just use the Win32. I'm sure it would be a huge improvement as I don't think I've run into a ram limitation yet. Mostly CPU related and latency issues. Not real sure about that. I'll try it with both (32, 64) and see what I get. Maybe I'll get lucky like Scott did. Speaking of which, Does the OEM Win7 64 come with the 32 bit also? Or, are they separate animals. Either that or return the 64 and get the 32. Thanks for the help so far guys.
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 17:05:49
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yes, you can load the OEM with either/both 32bit and 64bit
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Re:Sonar 32, which OS?
2011/08/31 17:15:18
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yes, you can load the OEM with either/both 32bit and 64bit
You 100% sure on that? I can only load 64bit from my OEM Win7 DVD. You sure there aren't different versions maybe?
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