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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/22 15:29:41
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I have a Delta 192 and was planning on updating the driver for 64 bit Hi Milt, The Audiophile 192 will work just fine under Win7 x64. 
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/22 15:32:54
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@Danny Danzi: i7 930 and 12 GB RAM, huh? That's pretty amazing! Plus, for audio purposes you can never have too many hard drives IMO. I just recently got a new machine, too, featuring the i7 860 and 6 gigs of RAM. I plan to upgrade to 8 gigs some time in near future, but for now it's pretty awesome. While the workflow in SONAR is vastly superior to the old Win XP notebook I've used before, the 64 bit drivers (if you can call it that) for the Line 6 Toneport UX2 suck big time! What interface do you use and what would you recommend for stable, low latency 64 bit operation? I have about 200 bucks to spend and don't need a lot of I/O options. Regards Ace. EDIT: Maybe mastermind Jim can help me out on the interface issue, too? ;-)
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/22 16:54:03
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What interface do you use and what would you recommend for stable, low latency 64 bit operation? I have about 200 bucks to spend and don't need a lot of I/O options. Regards Ace. Hi Ace, If your I/O needs are simple, the Audiophile 192 is hard to beat at the $200 mark (actually ~$179).
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/22 16:56:03
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Isn't there any way to port them Noel?
Which DX plugins are you referring to?
BTW there are some solutions floating around that will actually allow you to bridge 32 bit DX plugins as well. I think its done by reverse wrapping then DX plugins as VST's and then bridging the VST's into SONAR. I haven't personally tried this but I have heard of some success stories doing this.
The plugs I'm talking about would be Q=Tools, PSP stereo enhancement plugs (I have them for VST as well, but they seem to act weird where the DX versions do not) Clone Ensemble, FX Soundstage 3, Waves DX (because there is no GUI issue when they load up). Wouldn't reverse wrapping add to the processing engine? Would wrapping and then bridging produce any artifacts? John: Any issues for you so far using this method? What wrapper would you recommend? czy: Yeah I'm familiar with that as well. The only thing I'd be afraid of is that slight heat increase you mentioned. The reason being, my pc is in an enclosure with another pc and some other gear. This of course means it's hotter in there coming out of the gate. As of now, my new pc boots up and idles at 38-C to 41-C (100-F to 105-F) which is perfect. As soon as I put a load on it, it will run up to 49-C to it's highest 56-C. (120-F to 132-F) To me, this isn't too bad. The 56-C only happens when rendering video. All other times, I'm at 49-C constantly, even under a large load working in Sonar. After the first large project is loaded up, it goes to 49C and stays there no matter what until I shut it off. To me this is a bit warm at idle but fine for working on projects in Sonar because it doesn't ever go higher than that. I'd rather have it at 45C or below at idle though. But due to my situation, this is the best I can do here. I've also included a fan (a huge one like you see in tractor trailers) inside my enclosure to circulate the air a bit better in there. I keep it off while recording, turn it on low for mixing (you can barely hear it anyway) and crank it wide open at idle. It makes a 4 degree difference at idle...no difference at all when there's a load on it. LOL! It's funny, I thought of messing with those settings in that program but I figured Jim tried them all and selected what I have for a reason. If he felt one of the other presets should have been there, he would have used it I think, don't you? It may be worth asking him about the preset you've chosen to see why he may not have used it. The guy will give you reasons as well as cause and effects for everything, that's for sure. This thing works so good right now, I'm afraid to touch it. ;)
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/22 17:10:53
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@Danny Danzi:
i7 930 and 12 GB RAM, huh?
That's pretty amazing! Plus, for audio purposes you can never have too many hard drives IMO.
I just recently got a new machine, too, featuring the i7 860 and 6 gigs of RAM. I plan to upgrade to 8 gigs some time in near future, but for now it's pretty awesome.
While the workflow in SONAR is vastly superior to the old Win XP notebook I've used before, the 64 bit drivers (if you can call it that) for the Line 6 Toneport UX2 suck big time!
What interface do you use and what would you recommend for stable, low latency 64 bit operation? I have about 200 bucks to spend and don't need a lot of I/O options.
Regards
Ace.
EDIT: Maybe mastermind Jim can help me out on the interface issue, too? ;-)
Ace, I'm using an RME Fireface 800 right now. I also have a few Layla 24/96 cards that I have in other machines. The Layla is old, but quite incredible. You may be able to find one on Ebay. It's been working for me since....maybe 2000 or so. Best cards I've ever owned to be honest. I switched over to the Fireface on this new box because it was highly recommended and it has lots of room to allow you to grow with it as far as ins and outs go. But the Layla to me, is just as good sound wise. I can't tell a difference really. Most of the Echo Audio stuff works really well though. I'd definitely look into them...or check out a Layla 24/96 on Ebay. I paid $800 for mine 100 years ago....lol...j/k....it was like 1998 or 1999...somewhere around there. But you can get them really cheap now...and honest when I tell you, you'll get a lot of bang for the buck out of that card if you buy one today. They don't sell them new anymore as they have been discontinued. But in my experience, if you get one that works, it works forever. As far as latency...there are quite a few cards out there at a cheap price that will give you near zero latency. Unfortunately I've not looked into any of them other than what I wanted for myself, so as to what choices you have, I can't help you there. Like Jim mentioned, supposedly that Audiophile 192 is a really good card. A few of my friends have them and had nothing but good things to say about them. Good luck with everything Ace! ;)
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/22 17:11:45
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Jim Roseberry
What interface do you use and what would you recommend for stable, low latency 64 bit operation? I have about 200 bucks to spend and don't need a lot of I/O options. Regards Ace.
Hi Ace,
If your I/O needs are simple, the Audiophile 192 is hard to beat at the $200 mark (actually ~$179).
Hi Jim, the Audiophile is available as an internal sound card only, right? Would have to get somebody to install it for me. I'm a technical inept :-| I think the guys at "Music Store" (I'm from Germany) would do it for little to no charge if I bought it there. Still, are there any quality USB alternatives? I heard the Cakewalk UA-25 EX works quite well with Win 7 64x, but I need to know whether it allows for 64 samples buffer size. Have contacted ROLAND about it a few days ago, but haven't received a response yet. Other than that, the NI Audio Kontrol 1 looked great on paper at first (you also get a NI sampler of your choice for free), but despite there being official 64x drivers, their forums are full of complaints. Thanks Ace.
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/22 17:14:51
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I used DX shell to wrap FX3 and it works great except I wish I didn't have to do that. LOL You can get it Here PSP stereo tools pack are working on my system I went back a version. I have moved to Nugen's Stereo pack though. Still 32 bit but no issues and better. Nugen audio.
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/22 17:19:14
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It's funny, I thought of messing with those settings in that program but I figured Jim tried them all and selected what I have for a reason. If he felt one of the other presets should have been there, he would have used it I think, don't you? It may be worth asking him about the preset you've chosen to see why he may not have used it. The guy will give you reasons as well as cause and effects for everything, that's for sure. This thing works so good right now, I'm afraid to touch it. ;) FWIW, I'm typically pretty conservative with OC. I don't like cranking up Vcore... If I'm going to OC, I prefer to do that directly in the BIOS. Keep in mind that OC does void the warranty with Intel. That's a non-issue in most cases... but should be known up front. Most all of our machines (expect smaller form factor) cope well with OC... but we don't force it on folks who don't want/need it. In the end, it's a balance of performance/noise (low temps = quiet)... and rock-solid stability is always priority one.
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/22 19:18:29
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I'd be afraid to OC the new machine Jim just sent me. It might start playing the notes BEFORE I strike them!!
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/23 00:12:12
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yorolpal
I'd be afraid to OC the new machine Jim just sent me. It might start playing the notes BEFORE I strike them!!
And I just posted a message about stuck midi notes...that must be what it is?! The machine is too fast for me and is thinking ahead. ;)
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2010/08/23 00:40:56
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if you want a trouble-free experience, go with 'proven performers'. Start with a well spec'd/configured machine... then add an audio interface that's known to be rock-solid. The post that followed mine (RE: Delta drivers no-go in Win 7, M-Audio indifference) is a precise example of my essay's basis. Most of us piece together our set-ups over a period of years, hoping to preserve our prior investments. This works splendidly with stand-alone recording equipment and hardware components like strings, skins, reeds, hammers, amplifiers, microphones and effects boxes. And even in the digital age, "outdated" hardware components are still worth hanging onto. They remain useful. DigiHeads, follow the mantra of MIDI: a world-altering demonstration of cooperation and communication among gear manufacturers and engineers. The spirit of that cooperation seems lost on today's planet of the software isolation booth. What seems to be plaguing so many of us trying to enjoy the benefits of software recording and audio production is the difficulty in achieving component compatibility. I know that the silver-gold-platinum members reading this, or choosing not to, have computer savvy that far exceeds my own, and perhaps you are comfortable with the complexities of computer recording that elevate you above the rest of us. It would be great to hear at least one of you say, "Yes, it's screwy deal that you have to discard all your old socks everytime you buy new shoes, but that's just the way it is in our world." That's probably not the consensus around here, but as I said before, I've been roaming discussion boards and "support groups." The hue and cry is worth taking into consideration, whether here or elsewhere. My posts belong on a thread other than this one, which Danny started after building a great system from scratch. I salute Danny and all of you who share that kind of ability. As for going with proven and well-spec'd performers, I think the HP Pavillion Elite i5 with 8-gig memory is fairly robust, the EMU 0404-USB is rock-solid (in its proper element) and that the Sonar 8.5 Producer is up there, too. But when I combine them, it is indead a clusterf---. (The "configuration" part of the proposed equation is where I lose out.) Ned
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/23 01:15:43
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Ned, I feel your pain, I really do. And I'd also be willing to bet the silver/gold/plat members feel the same. But, it's just as you said. It's screwy...all of it. I have a JL Cooper mini desk that I absolutely love. It's a midi controller that looks like a little mixing console. It has 32 tracks of control which is great in my opinion. However, because I run Win 7, I can't use it and HAVE to buy a new controller. This upsets me to no end. I even mailed JL Cooper and told them I would pay them to create a custom driver for me. They told me "the guy that created the driver originally is no longer here". LOL!!! So I have to go out and spend some more cash if I want a midi controller. I'm in the same boat as you. But what do I do man? Do I try and go to every forum and keep asking code guys to try and build me a driver that will work on this thing for Win 7? Do I sit here and waste more time trying to make it work? I've tried everything I can think of...and even tried to put something together myself. No dice. Or, do I just throw up my hands and say "screw it, go buy a controller"? You're at everyone's mercy with stuff like this. Or, you simply go and search for older stuff that supports what you own. It's that simple...it's the only choice. When my pc fried, I called homeowners. I asked them if they could help me because I've been with them since 1971 and have never needed to make a claim. I got told "send us the pc, we'll evaulate what went wrong and send you money for the parts". At the end of the day, I sent it to someone else that I trusted. I had a fried mobo and 2 hard drives. So what would homeowners do? They'd send me money for THAT mobo..which was bought in 2005...which MAY be difficult to find. They'd send me money for hard drives bought in 2005 and pro-rate all of it...which would leave me with a check for under $500, still a non-working pc, and I have a $500 deductible, so that means I come out with? Right...nothing. LOL!!! Now, let's say they gave me a few bucks for a mobo and 2 new hard drives. I get a new mobo, and will need a new cpu for it. They didn't give me money for a cpu because mine on my old one was ok. So I get the mobo, but it doesn't have 4 pci slots...so this forces me to have to buy new hardware because I can't use my 2 Layla cards and my 2 UAD cards with this new mobo. Now, I can get a cheaper mobo that may have 4 pci slots, but again, another cpu for that board too. So...it's a lose lose situation for older stuff. Now granted, Jims pc he built for me is incredible as I've stated. And, it paid itself off already...but to be quite honest, though I'm 10 trillion times better off, I wasn't ready to spend what I ended up spending due to having to buy things I already had that in my opinion, worked perfectly. So I definitely feel your pain....it's just something we have to deal with. :(
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/23 01:29:11
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nedped
if you want a trouble-free experience, go with 'proven performers'. Start with a well spec'd/configured machine... then add an audio interface that's known to be rock-solid.
The post that followed mine (RE: Delta drivers no-go in Win 7, M-Audio indifference) is a precise example of my essay's basis.
Most of us piece together our set-ups over a period of years, hoping to preserve our prior investments. This works splendidly with stand-alone recording equipment and hardware components like
strings, skins, reeds, hammers, amplifiers, microphones and effects boxes.
And even in the digital age, "outdated" hardware components are still worth hanging onto. They remain useful.
DigiHeads, follow the mantra of MIDI: a world-altering demonstration of cooperation and communication among gear manufacturers and engineers. The spirit of that cooperation seems lost on today's planet of the software isolation booth.
What seems to be plaguing so many of us trying to enjoy the benefits of software recording and audio production is the difficulty in achieving component compatibility. I know that the silver-gold-platinum members reading this, or choosing not to, have computer savvy that far exceeds my own, and perhaps you are comfortable with the complexities of computer recording that elevate you above the rest of us.
It would be great to hear at least one of you say, "Yes, it's screwy deal that you have to discard all your old socks everytime you buy new shoes, but that's just the way it is in our world." That's probably not the consensus around here, but as I said before, I've been roaming discussion boards and "support groups."
The hue and cry is worth taking into consideration, whether here or elsewhere.
My posts belong on a thread other than this one, which Danny started after building a great system from scratch. I salute Danny and all of you who share that kind of ability.
As for going with proven and well-spec'd performers, I think the HP Pavillion Elite i5 with 8-gig memory is fairly robust, the EMU 0404-USB is rock-solid (in its proper element) and that the Sonar 8.5 Producer is up there, too. But when I combine them, it is indead a clusterf---. (The "configuration" part of the proposed equation is where I lose out.)
Ned
Except none of those things you mentioned gets a free update on a regular basis, which is the beauty of software. You're never given better strings, reeds, hammers, amplifiers, etc after you buy a product (unless you're endorsing such products - then again, the same would apply to software). I think it's pretty cool that software developers can give us an update that fixes issues without having to pay for it again. You can't say the same about hardware. Some hardware companies improve their products slightly, but you can't get the improvements unless you pay for it again. They both have their pluses and minuses. The other thing is that the level of improvements seen on computers in general (Hardware and Software) exceeds anything, especially musical instruments. Just think about how much computers have evolved in less than 100 years compared to hundreds (if not thousands) of years of most instrument's evolution. It is amazing that Cakewalk is able to keep backwards compatibility as far back as at least 10 years (which is an eternity in their industry). Not to mention that some companies either don't update their products anymore or do not exist. We can't expect Cakewalk to simply take responsibility for it. It's not their fault and yet that's kinda the tone I sense from some of you.
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/23 05:11:54
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Hello, Jose.
I'm glad you weighed in. To an extent, I can see the wisdom of your argument. Free upgrades are indeed a software advantage, to the extent that they occur. But software upgrades are also a marketing hook.
Yes, I do have to pay to replace my guitar strings. And hardware equipment is rarely upgraded -- you just graduate to the next-best thing. But at least the last-best thing is still functional, and worth something.
I do get a kick out of free upgrades, and some of these are available for digital hardware (my Korg M3 is such a gift that keeps on giving).
I don't know or care where we stand on the argument scoreboard. Good to talk to you about it, that's all.
You did say something I must answer, however:
"We can't expect Cakewalk to simply take responsibility for it. It's not their fault and yet that's kinda the tone I sense from some of you."
In my post before the one you referenced, I made it a point to take Cakewalk off the hook for my frustrations, which I deem to be coming from outside vendors who aren't keeping with the times to support their products, or their customers.
I welcome all thoughts,
Ned
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/23 05:24:36
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Danny, thanks for coming to my rescue. I thought I was dying on the board there for a while. I'm sure you've gone through way more pain than I have. Glad you related to the essence of my complaint.
I suppose I'll get this all figured out eventually, though it might mean spending yet more money. Life is definitely like that.
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/23 11:00:59
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nedped Hello, Jose.
I'm glad you weighed in. To an extent, I can see the wisdom of your argument. Free upgrades are indeed a software advantage, to the extent that they occur. But software upgrades are also a marketing hook.
Yes, I do have to pay to replace my guitar strings. And hardware equipment is rarely upgraded -- you just graduate to the next-best thing. But at least the last-best thing is still functional, and worth something. This is based on the terms the software developer imposes on their products. In the case of Cakewalk, we all agreed to their EULA (End-User License Agreement) the moment we install their software, which specify one cannot re-sell or transfer their software license to another individual or entity. However, I know that Cubase, for example, enables you to sell and transfer your license to someone else, so you at least get something back if you decided it wasn't for you. Basically, you CAN get some of your money back with software too. It's just based on the developer's EULA terms. I do get a kick out of free upgrades, and some of these are available for digital hardware (my Korg M3 is such a gift that keeps on giving).
I don't know or care where we stand on the argument scoreboard. Good to talk to you about it, that's all.
You did say something I must answer, however:
"We can't expect Cakewalk to simply take responsibility for it. It's not their fault and yet that's kinda the tone I sense from some of you."
In my post before the one you referenced, I made it a point to take Cakewalk off the hook for my frustrations, which I deem to be coming from outside vendors who aren't keeping with the times to support their products, or their customers.
I welcome all thoughts,
Ned I somehow missed your previous post, and that's my fault. I went back and noticed that you had indeed taken Cakewalk off the hook. But like you, I don't feel like we have to agree on this subject. It's always a pleasure to discuss matters with a level-headed person like yourself, even if we agree to disagree :-) Take care!
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/23 12:06:17
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The problems I've experienced with playback tracks distorting intermittently, then clearing up, then distorting again, are shared by other EMU 0404 USB users interacting with Win 7 (or Vista). This bug is to be expected from all I have gathered. EMU hasn't updated the driver for this interface in almost three years. I can't find an example where someone presenting this problem on a discussion board has met a solution. Every complaint thread evaporates into thin air after a venting period that brings no relief.
Sux,
Ned
Hi Ned, I had some time to mess with my EMU 0404 this weekend. I have it running but haven't tested it extensively. I have the PCI version, not USB. What was throwing me off was, it randomly selected ASIO outputs when I loaded a session, and my Sonar master was set to ASIO 1. I hadn't noticed this when I first set it up and didn't have much time to tinker with it. Once I got all the ASIO outputs set right in Patchmix and Sonar, I was up and running fine. I too was getting the intermittent distortion problems when I had the latency too low. It goes down to 2ms and I had to bump it up to 3ms so I can't complain. As much as I like this card, EMU doesn't seem to be too interested in making it work with anything past XP, even their USB version. My advice would be to bite the bullet and go with something else. I don't even know what to suggest to replace it to be honest. I haven't had very good luck in the 64bit arena. I'm using a FTU w/64 bit drivers. It's supposed to be rock solid, but I have a lot of problems. They went away for a long time, then suddenly came back out of the blue. I think it may be my RAM so I just RMA'd it and I'm going with a different brand. I had no issues whatsoever when I used it on my XP 32bit PC which leads me to believe it's my new i5 Windows 7 64 PC causing the FTU issues. Good luck! Shane
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/23 15:32:09
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Hi Shane,
FWIW, The FastTrack Ultra 8R has been absolutely rock-solid for me.
I just played a gig Saturday... (Ultra 8R connected to a fast 'cube' running Win7x64).
I play about a dozen of the better soft-synths (Kontakt 4, Omnisphere, etc) at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size.
Not a single glitch/hiccup in many hours of live playing...
I can tell you that the FTU units don't typically like USB 3 controllers.
They can have problems with high-performance mode if you're running a high-end video card.
Otherwise... they're solid.
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2010/08/23 15:34:55
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Hi Danny,
Scott Lerner (fellow guitar slinger from your area) said to tell you "hello".
Met Scott thru Cliff Cultreri several years ago...
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 01:42:46
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Emu 1212m running the win7 beta drivers just fine.
recently sold my pci 0404 but I have no doubt it would run them fine, too.
maybe you were holding your mouth wrong? (goodolboy expression if you are not from the USA)
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 07:56:31
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Hi Shane,
FWIW, The FastTrack Ultra 8R has been absolutely rock-solid for me.
I just played a gig Saturday... (Ultra 8R connected to a fast 'cube' running Win7x64).
I play about a dozen of the better soft-synths (Kontakt 4, Omnisphere, etc) at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size.
Not a single glitch/hiccup in many hours of live playing...
I can tell you that the FTU units don't typically like USB 3 controllers.
They can have problems with high-performance mode if you're running a high-end video card.
Otherwise... they're solid.
Aww c'mon...of course there's not a glitch or a hiccup, look at the name of this poster! The Great Jim Roseberry doesn't have "glitch or hiccup" in his vocabulary! Hahahahaha! :)
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 08:04:16
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Jim Roseberry
Hi Danny,
Scott Lerner (fellow guitar slinger from your area) said to tell you "hello".
Met Scott thru Cliff Cultreri several years ago...
Ah, Scott Lerner....fantastic jazz/fusion guitarist there, Jim. Like exceptionally gifted jazz/fusion to the point of any experienced player saying "ummm, I think I'd like to hang up my guitar and watch". Great friend of mine actually....he lives about 20 minutes away from me. I've been playing blues, rock, classic rock, metal, pop etc for 31 years. I like to consider myself a pretty decent player. But, when you play with that guy...it goes beyond intimidation...it's more like "wtf was that...let me just watch please?" Really nice guy....I have to get him to buy a system from you. He's about due. Did my buddy Joey Harter get a hold of you? He's interested in a new DAW as well...I gave him your contact info...he said he would get in touch with you. Joey's a good guy...killer player too. ;)
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 12:38:17
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Jim Roseberry
Hi Shane,
FWIW, The FastTrack Ultra 8R has been absolutely rock-solid for me.
I just played a gig Saturday... (Ultra 8R connected to a fast 'cube' running Win7x64).
I play about a dozen of the better soft-synths (Kontakt 4, Omnisphere, etc) at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size.
Not a single glitch/hiccup in many hours of live playing...
I can tell you that the FTU units don't typically like USB 3 controllers.
They can have problems with high-performance mode if you're running a high-end video card.
Otherwise... they're solid.
Hi Jim, Thanks for the info. I'd like to pick your brain if I could ... here's my specs ... see anything wrong that I should change? 4gig Corsair XMS PC1600 RAM Gigabyte UDP-2 Version 1.1 Mobo (USB 2) Latest BIOS and chipset drivers. Intel i5 Quad 750 Galaxy 9500 Video card (Tried this with OEM and Windows drivers. Works better with Windows drivers.) WD 200GB SATA II P2 Keyboard USB Mouse Fast Track Ultra latest x64 drivers (Not the FTU 8R. High Perform=Off) Windows 7 x64 w/all updates Sonar PE 8.5.3 x64 w/all updates Guitar Rig 4 Pro x64 w/all updates Sound Forge 9.0 CD Architect 5.2 Adobe PDF Reader Format Factory 2.5 I'm getting random crashes. Some give me a bsod and say it's the maudio driver. Other times Sonar locks up, I have to Ctrl/Alt/Del to close it then reboot. Even though I ctrl/alt/del Sonar will not restart and is not removed from the active program list in the shutdown box until I reboot. It seems to hang there. I've tried unplugging the audio card thinking it may be locking it up with a crashed driver but that doesn't help. I just ordered a different brand of RAM to replace the Corsair. Everything I've read here points to it. I've installed some massive games and a few other things just to test my system performance and the only thing that gives me trouble is Sonar. Any thoughts? Thanks, Shane
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 12:43:06
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Ah, Scott Lerner....fantastic jazz/fusion guitarist there, Jim. Like exceptionally gifted jazz/fusion to the point of any experienced player saying "ummm, I think I'd like to hang up my guitar and watch". Great friend of mine actually....he lives about 20 minutes away from me. I've been playing blues, rock, classic rock, metal, pop etc for 31 years. I like to consider myself a pretty decent player. But, when you play with that guy...it goes beyond intimidation...it's more like "wtf was that...let me just watch please?" Really nice guy....I have to get him to buy a system from you. He's about due. Did my buddy Joey Harter get a hold of you? He's interested in a new DAW as well...I gave him your contact info...he said he would get in touch with you. Joey's a good guy...killer player too. ;)
FWIW, Scott had many good things to say about your playing (including drumming/singing) as well... He just received his new DAW... and we were talking about the guitar playing community... and Sonar users in particular. Scott is back in the Sonar camp... running v8.5 under Win7x64. I believe I Emailed Joey this past week... ;) Waiting to hear back from him BTW, Do you experience the stuck notes in both the 32Bit and 64Bit versions of Sonar?
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 12:52:31
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Thanks for the info. I'd like to pick your brain if I could ... here's my specs ... see anything wrong that I should change? Hi Shane, There's nothing in the list that jumps out as an immediate culprit. The first thing I'd do is test the RAM and stress-test the system. Make sure the culprit isn't the core hardware of the machine. If the core hardware checks out, I'd start with a fresh/clean OS install. Now, install the FTU... and Sonar. Load/play the demo projects from the Sonar content DVDs. Do these projects play without glitches/problems/crashes? If you still get BSOD that points to the M-Audio driver, I'd have a look at the FTU. If you can, try installing it on a different PC. My first guess would be RAM Second guess would be config related
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 13:46:32
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Shane, I've just gotten one of Jims mega machines (i7 3ghz, 12gigs ram running SPE8.5.3 in Windows 7 64bit also using a FTU...high performance ON) and I get those occasional blue screen memory dump crashes and having Sonar being unable to be shut down...even through task manager. But most of this seems to be coming from BitBridge crashes when instantiating or using certain plugins and/or instruments. My Sound Toys stuff and some of NIs stuff (Absynth 5 and Kore 2) seem to be very prone to crashing the system. You might want to check exactly what you're doing when the hang/crash occurs.
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 14:11:06
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I agree. And remember, OCing will produce much more heat. People need to make sure the increase in fan noise is worth the tiny increase in speed.
Microsoft Surface Book w/ Surface dock, dual 24-inch HD displays,
Sonar Platinum, THD 4, GuitarRig, Amplitube, (Kontakt4), Garritan PO, Trillian Bass 1.3, Roland Octa-Capture, Waves Gold & various Waves, PSP and T-Racks plugins.KRK Rokit6, Lefty Guitars & Bass, racks/pedals galore and many other fun things.
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 14:26:21
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Sound Forge 9.0 CD Architect 5.2 Are these both Win7 compatible?
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Sonar Platinum, THD 4, GuitarRig, Amplitube, (Kontakt4), Garritan PO, Trillian Bass 1.3, Roland Octa-Capture, Waves Gold & various Waves, PSP and T-Racks plugins.KRK Rokit6, Lefty Guitars & Bass, racks/pedals galore and many other fun things.
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 14:32:34
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Just curious ... have you tried turning FTU High Performance mode OFF to see if that reduces crashing?
On my side: I turned this Off a long time ago when I was having intermittent problems (due to my self-induced narcolepsy). I'm very stable right now with it turned Off, but every so often I stare at that checkbox and start feeling greedy.
Since I'm enjoying making lots of music now, I can't bring myself to try turning it on.
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Re:Sonar 64, new DAW pc, simply incredible!
2010/08/24 14:40:26
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Emu 1212m running the win7 beta drivers just fine. FWIW, I run an 1820m, which is based on the 1212m, and I get sporadic BSODs from the E-MU driver ha10kx2k.sys with both the Vista and Win7 beta x64 drivers. Nary a problem with XP SP3 on the same PC. I use both digital and analog inputs, and sync to an external ADAT clock, which might be the difference, but it's definitely a driver problem, not mouth position. 
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