Sonar 8 Wish List

No new features. No new synths or plugins. Just a stable, glitch-free audio engine. Really, I'd pay for just that.

I really really really need DSD support in Sonar!! Even just a DSD import function... I have ton of DSD files on my computer and no way to process them

Stability is number one for me.

Most of the new features don't live up to their promise anyway. I still find Audiosnap a poor replacement for something like Beat Detective or Elastic Audio. V-Vocal is not as good as Melodyne. The included plug-ins are ok, but I don't use them. The hardware insert latency detection stuff has never worked well for me and SONAR 7 crashes way more than SONAR 6, SONAR 6 way more than 5, and so on. So I end up paying for an upgrade, only to find out the new features are mostly hype and I go back to using an earlier version of SONAR because it's more stable.

I'm not familiar with the VST API but can't plug-ins operate in some protected memory space so they can't crash SONAR? I would gladly sacrifice some performance for more stability.

I still have problems looping in SONAR 7 and a too a lesser degree in SONAR 6 causing an infinite stutter that requires a reboot of the computer to clear. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 did not have this problem.

ORIGINAL: majortom

Stability is number one for me.

Most of the new features don't live up to their promise anyway. I still find Audiosnap a poor replacement for something like Beat Detective or Elastic Audio. V-Vocal is not as good as Melodyne. The included plug-ins are ok, but I don't use them. The hardware insert latency detection stuff has never worked well for me and SONAR 7 crashes way more than SONAR 6, SONAR 6 way more than 5, and so on. So I end up paying for an upgrade, only to find out the new features are mostly hype and I go back to using an earlier version of SONAR because it's more stable.

I'm not familiar with the VST API but can't plug-ins operate in some protected memory space so they can't crash SONAR? I would gladly sacrifice some performance for more stability.

I still have problems looping in SONAR 7 and a too a lesser degree in SONAR 6 causing an infinite stutter that requires a reboot of the computer to clear. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 did not have this problem.

I used to have to budget tracks and plugins etc, so unfortunately, with newer versions come higher hardware demands. After I upgraded to a Q6600 CPU with 4 gb ram all of my minor glitches and such went away. This may be what your up against.

F@KKER

I'll pay 200 us dollars just for feature number 3 of the first post (play-order-track thingy). I need it daily.

Oh yeh, did anyone mention time signature en tempo values/changes on the timeline?

Automation of FX Bin buttons (on/off).

To Take Sonar to the heights of compositional, producer work.............

Marker following for composition.

A set of markers that can be placed throughout the song that are jumped to in order of numbering. (We currently have jumping through set up a single looped region)

To make this incredible...Also build in the ability to restructure. i.e. hit accept on restructuring the song in the timeline to reflect what was defined by the markers.... This would eliminate much cut copy and paste work.

Some problems would include audio clips .... these would have to be either auto split or require a split at the end of a marker region.

eg
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
1.......1
2..................2
3.........................3

After accepting the restructure the timeline would look like the below

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
1.......1 2..................2 3.........................3

Ahh, so here is that wishlist I've been looking for. Strange, I tried searching for it but came up empty. Anyway, I posted about this one wish here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1437636&mpage=1&key=�

But I'll post it here too just to have it with the rest of the wishes.

I'm in the middle of scoring a film right now and while doing all the insane MIDI editing on a bunch of orchestral articulations, I had this distinct feeling that if Sonar had a grabber tool like the one in Photoshop, it would make our lives so much easier. Right now the only way for me to get around a giant full page of Piano Roll or track view is to use the scroll bars or the scroll arrows, with no way to jump around to the octave/track I need to be at very fast (Navigation view doesn't help in this case since it doesn't work with the piano roll). If Sonar had the grabber tool, we would be able to move around extremely fast.

For those of you that don't use Photoshop, the grabber tool is basically like this: You hold down space bar, and then you click and hold anywhere on the canvas, and then simply move the entire canvas in any direction your mouse moves, at any angle.

Anyone else wants this in Sonar?

Stability is number one for me.

Most of the new features don't live up to their promise anyway. I still find Audiosnap a poor replacement for something like Beat Detective or Elastic Audio. V-Vocal is not as good as Melodyne. The included plug-ins are ok, but I don't use them. The hardware insert latency detection stuff has never worked well for me and SONAR 7 crashes way more than SONAR 6, SONAR 6 way more than 5, and so on. So I end up paying for an upgrade, only to find out the new features are mostly hype and I go back to using an earlier version of SONAR because it's more stable.

I agree with this. I do use the included plug-ins. For the most part I am pretty happy with Sonar and everything it does. Sonar 5 seems to be a bit more stable on my machine than Sonar 7. I also like the mixer better in 5. I have read through most of this post, If you are going to add anything how about adding a few video editing tools. although I am a novice at the video thing. It would be great if I did not need to export the sound track and import it into adobe premier for the simple things I want to do.

How about including an mp3 converter instead of buying it separately. That's the kind of nickle and dime thing Microsoft is famous for. If you are buying an audio app To work with. It should include exporting all the common file types like mp3.

these are the things that I would pay money for to upgrade, Like I said earlier, over all I am happy with everything Sonar does.

Man, I've been all over this thread, (and AM all over this thread), and lemme tell ya, here's what I see coming up over and over:

• STABILITY
  
• Play-order-track thingee (in all it's variations)
  

If v8 had only these two features I'd be pretty happy, to be honest. Of course if it had the other 10 or so features, fixes, and tweaks that I'd like I'd be ecstatic.

I reckon we'll know in the next two months!

My Sonar is very stable, so that's not an issue for me.

I'd like a WAV Editor within Sonar (even it's just a simple pencil tool with nothing else).

The grabber tool would also be nice, then I don't have to re-size my edit window, or search for the scroll bars. This could save me a few minutes out of every hour I work on this program.

I'd like a WAV Editor within Sonar (even it's just a simple pencil tool with nothing else).

Have you ever double clicked on a clip?? I dont think you have..
Cj

Color me embarrassed. I confess that I haven't looked there lately. I've always found that oversized window to be annoying (I like small graphics for some reason). But hey, if that's where it lives - I can deal with that - no problem. Thanks for the pointer...

Just curious though, was this new to version 7 ? I remember looking for this before, and finding nothing but forum conversations like "how come there's no wav editor in Sonar?"

Oh well, thanks for sharing! Gregg

ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic

I'd like a WAV Editor within Sonar (even it's just a simple pencil tool with nothing else).

Have you ever double clicked on a clip?? I dont think you have..
Cj

Does that have a pencil tool?

It might, I never used it. double click a clip and check it out. It has allot of editing tools in it

Here's what i'd like to see in SONAR 8:


-Improved ACT MIDI Controller plug-in

First let me say that this plug-in is very stable for me!

Please make it so that when we save a preset we can choose where to save it on our hard drive, and make it a format so users with the same MIDI controller can share the presets.
Also, how about making this plug-in so that we can set up at least 16 tracks with 1 instance of the plug-in connected! General MIDI has 16 tracks.

The button setup manner is miserable! If one has a line of 8 buttons to assign to track arm, for instance, all of the buttons will only operate the same function on the same track. That leaves one miserable, or am I missing something? When I assign the Arm track function to each of these 8 buttons, I'm looking to have each button control a separate track! The manner of doing this with the Cakewalk Generic controller is nice. One checks the radio button for a parameter, selects Arm Track for that parameter, select the configure strip number, and that button is assigned to that configure strip number or track. This is great!!! It makes it easy for each button assigned to track arm to control track arm for separate tracks! Can Cakewalk make this manner of assigning controls available with the ACT MIDI Controller Plug-In?!!!! Or at least make this end result simple in the ACT plug-in. or make some other plug in that can have all the features in this request?

I sure hope Cakewalk reads this. Implementing these features will make things a lot easier and convinient for us trying to setup our MIDI controllers.

I checked last night, and couldn't find any pencil tools. I've seen a lot of guys on this forum use stand-alone or inserted programs with wave editors. I might do the same, except it seems silly that this tool is NOT part of the greatest DAW ever made (that'S SONAR of course). Even my previous DAW on Pro Tools LE had a pencil tool. How hard is this to add?

In the meantime, I guess I can use my old old old version of Wavelab Lite (which came with my old old old Creative Soundblaster card from the very first PC I ever built back when I was dumb enough to buy Windows ME - the Vista of the 90's). And I've got Audacity as well - it just "bugs" for some unexplainable reason.

Also - that was a cheap shot at Vista by the way. I'm actually on record, saying that I get great performance on my laptop running Vista Home Basic (of all versions). Even ME wasn't that bad. Face it, if you don't make the effort to understand and configure your PC properly, you DESERVE to have problems.

Also, does anyone remember how XP was received at first? Pretty much the same as Vista is now if I remember correctly.

-A Thesaurus
So I can understand the mad lingo those producers use. I mean don't get me wrong, I can use this software with ease, its just sometimes when you learn something new, you want to know what it is instead of just knowing its a 10 letter word.

@racah15

ROTFLOL

FINALLLLLLLLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone mentioning notation!

I am a musician... therefore I read music! What would Photoshop users say if PS3 told that that they had to name colors by numbers and never look a palette. When I edit music, I want to do so by looking at a real music sheet look alike screens (not that dumb down single line version in Sonar). Look at what is available in Cubase or Logic in that department. Huge difference...... Sadly for us Sonar users.

It seems many are interested in moving little black boxes (Piano roll) and they got their turn in S7. How about notation in S8? Notation hasn't received any kind of serious attention for probably 10 versions of Pro Audio/Sonar!!

I am a die hard Sonar fan (since Cakewalk 1.0) and will never switch. But I also won't buy another version of Sonar (I am at S3) until this gets seriously addressed.

Musicians unite and let Cakewalk know this is an important issue.

Michael

I would like to see in the new version more distinct mechanism of definition of rate of imported audio tracks. For example as at Acid. (Sony)

Whats Sonar 8?

Ive never heard of that?

I'd like a British English interface

ORIGINAL: Twigman

I'd like a British English interface

Since I believe the British are English and I assume you're a guy, does this mean you want woman?

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

I'd like a British English interface

Since I believe the British are English

Tell that to the Scots the Welsh and the Northern Irish......they'll soon put you straight.

Not all Brits are English.

Mind you most Scots and Welsh wouldn't consider themselves British either...

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

I'd like a British English interface

Since I believe the British are English

Tell that to the Scots the Welsh and the Northern Irish......they'll soon put you straight.

Not all Brits are English.

Mind you most Scots and Welsh wouldn't consider themselves British either...

So you don't want a woman?

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

I'd like a British English interface

Since I believe the British are English

Tell that to the Scots the Welsh and the Northern Irish......they'll soon put you straight.

Not all Brits are English.

Mind you most Scots and Welsh wouldn't consider themselves British either...

So you don't want a woman?

I've got one already thanks.

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

I'd like a British English interface

Since I believe the British are English

Tell that to the Scots the Welsh and the Northern Irish......they'll soon put you straight.

Not all Brits are English.

Mind you most Scots and Welsh wouldn't consider themselves British either...

So you don't want a woman?

I've got one already thanks.

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

I'd like a British English interface

Since I believe the British are English

Tell that to the Scots the Welsh and the Northern Irish......they'll soon put you straight.

Not all Brits are English.

Mind you most Scots and Welsh wouldn't consider themselves British either...

So you don't want a woman?

I've got one already thanks.

I was half expecting a join the Mormons then you can have as many as you want then I saw you're in California not Utah...

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

I'd like a British English interface

Since I believe the British are English

Tell that to the Scots the Welsh and the Northern Irish......they'll soon put you straight.

Not all Brits are English.

Mind you most Scots and Welsh wouldn't consider themselves British either...

So you don't want a woman?

I've got one already thanks.

I was half expecting a join the Mormons then you can have as many as you want then I saw you're in California not Utah...

My experience tells me one is enough!

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

ORIGINAL: bapu

ORIGINAL: Twigman

I'd like a British English interface

Since I believe the British are English

Tell that to the Scots the Welsh and the Northern Irish......they'll soon put you straight.

Not all Brits are English.

Mind you most Scots and Welsh wouldn't consider themselves British either...

So you don't want a woman?

I've got one already thanks.

I was half expecting a join the Mormons then you can have as many as you want then I saw you're in California not Utah...

My experience tells me one is enough!

more than enough to be honest

Hey Cakewalkers,

For my 2 cents worth I'd like to see a metronome where you can adjust the sound of the fourth beat in the bar and not the first. This is fundamental, and I always find it highly off-putting when you can only adjust the first beat. Please please please sort this out. Because of this very simple mistake I'm beginning to think that you don't always test your new software with real bands and overlook these important areas because your trying to find the next big breakthrough, which quite frankly isn't really that important.

Rod

I'm hoping that the next version of Sonar <Producer> Edition comes with the Producer that they left out of all the previous versions.

I crack me up.

I would like to see Sonar 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 7.4 BEFORE 8

August 6 2008

I want to be able to export/import projects/tracks.

Example:
I have four tracks of audio and midi in a big project that I want to use in another project.

I select them and choose to export as "import file."

I then open a project and select import file, navigate and select the import file.

The four tracks with ALL settings, routings, busses, effects, instruments,... are imported.

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Also, I would prefer that MIDI data was saved as individual files rather than stored in the project file, similar to wav files.


J

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BETTER VIDEO SUPPORT!!!!!

Sonar's video support is terrible when compared to the other DAWs on the market. Also the video workflow is very clumsy and cluttered. This is, in my view, the largest thing holding Sonar back for video-audio production houses. Other than that- it is a powerhouse program!

ORIGINAL: nathan.madsen

BETTER VIDEO SUPPORT!!!!!

Sonar's video support is terrible when compared to the other DAWs on the market. Also the video workflow is very clumsy and cluttered. This is, in my view, the largest thing holding Sonar back for video-audio production houses. Other than that- it is a powerhouse program!

What was that. I couldnt quite hear you??

Anyway. I dont think they are ever going to be good in that field.. Its not what they are marketing at..
I'd rather see them concentrate on what they are good at - Audio!

ORIGINAL: thomasabarnes

Here's what i'd like to see in SONAR 8:


-Improved ACT MIDI Controller plug-in

First let me say that this plug-in is very stable for me!

Please make it so that when we save a preset we can choose where to save it on our hard drive, and make it a format so users with the same MIDI controller can share the presets.
Also, how about making this plug-in so that we can set up at least 16 tracks with 1 instance of the plug-in connected! General MIDI has 16 tracks.

The button setup manner is miserable! If one has a line of 8 buttons to assign to track arm, for instance, all of the buttons will only operate the same function on the same track. That leaves one miserable, or am I missing something? When I assign the Arm track function to each of these 8 buttons, I'm looking to have each button control a separate track! The manner of doing this with the Cakewalk Generic controller is nice. One checks the radio button for a parameter, selects Arm Track for that parameter, select the configure strip number, and that button is assigned to that configure strip number or track. This is great!!! It makes it easy for each button assigned to track arm to control track arm for separate tracks! Can Cakewalk make this manner of assigning controls available with the ACT MIDI Controller Plug-In?!!!! Or at least make this end result simple in the ACT plug-in. or make some other plug in that can have all the features in this request?

I sure hope Cakewalk reads this. Implementing these features will make things a lot easier and convinient for us trying to setup our MIDI controllers.

"Please make it so that when we save a preset we can choose where to save it on our hard drive, and make it a format so users with the same MIDI controller can share the presets."

OK I've learned how to import/export presets, so no need for improvement there. It's already easy enough, but it will help if finding out how to do this is written in an easy to find location in the SONAR Help file.

"Also, how about making this plug-in so that we can set up at least 16 tracks with 1 instance of the plug-in connected! General MIDI has 16 tracks."

OK, I see we can set up 32 tracks using the Four Banks and an extra assignable button or two to assign to the previous/next bank function, and 64 tracks if we use the Shift Modifier. It's workable, but kinda hard to keep track of what bank one is in. I'm aware of the Controller/Surface toolbar and that it has a visual indicator that is suppose to refect what bank one is in, but it often doesnt do this, in my experience. I dont know if it's a bug or what? This feature can be improved!

Again I say:

The button setup manner is miserable! If one has a line of 8 buttons to assign to track arm, for instance, all of the buttons will only operate the same function on the same track. That leaves one miserable, or am I missing something? When I assign the Arm track function to each of these 8 buttons, I'm looking to have each button control a separate track! The manner of doing this with the Cakewalk Generic controller is nice. One checks the radio button for a parameter, selects Arm Track for that parameter, select the configure strip number, and that button is assigned to that configure strip number or track. This is great!!! It makes it easy for each button assigned to track arm to control track arm for separate tracks! Can Cakewalk make this manner of assigning controls available with the ACT MIDI Controller Plug-In?!!!! Or at least make this end result simple in the ACT plug-in. or make some other plug in that can have all the features in this request?

1. Automation envelopes applied to multiple tracks
2. Shift time ruler (for example, measure 1 might be a count in measure, thus I'd like to be able to shift the time ruler so that the 2nd actual measure of music is designated as "measure 1".
3. Improved loop library ala the previous suggestion for an "idea" library
4. Not sure how feasible this would be, but how many times have you opened up a project, just to find out it wasn't the one you wanted? How about the ability to preview the audio of a Cakewalk project in the Windows Explorer. Similar to how you can preview a thumbnail of a picture or preview the audio of a sound clip while browsing your files in Windows Explorer. This might involve encoding a bounced version of a small portion of the project audio and storing it in the file header.

August 6 2008

I want to be able to export/import projects/tracks.

Example:
I have four tracks of audio and midi in a big project that I want to use in another project.

I select them and choose to export as "import file."

I then open a project and select import file, navigate and select the import file.

The four tracks with ALL settings, routings, busses, effects, instruments,... are imported.

Use Track Templates. It does what you want.

Max Arwood

You know I really believe this topic should be called Sonar 9 Wish list. People add feature requests for the version that is coming, but usually the developer allready has plans on what new features or bugfixes it will bring in the comming version. So maybe it's best to start making requests for the version after. That way you give some time for the developer to look into it, and if it's a promising feature, put it in their development plans. Right now it's quite possibly too late to add any features from user requests to Sonar 8 (unless really small features).

Sonar 9 Wish List

I wish it would just get released so the speculation stops!!!

Not sure if it has been mentioned but the automated mute doesnt work well when using a control surface

I don't want to pay for Sonar 8, i WANT and NEED a Sonar 7.1 WITHOUT BUGS and FULLY FUNKTIONNAL before thinking of a new version.

But....ok. a great library with tags like NI Kore is a must have.

More extensive wave editor! Make Sound Forge and the like obsolete!!! Can't be that hard to do

Hmmm I would rather Cakewalk focused on core functionality and workflow improvements and did a deal with Sony to offer Sonar users a super duper discount on Sound Forge...and replaced the super duper dopey CD burning "feature" they included in Sonar 7 with CD Architect... even CD Architect LE would be better than that bogus thang....

Many things are quite easy and time-savers.
I wish a better organized insert place to rack plugins on each track with dedicated buttons to bypass and on/off as well..
Many times I need to bypass a single plugin in a chain of couples but when right click on the mouse and use bypass function the whole insert is set to bypass. So the only way is to open the plugin and bypass it. What a time consumming...
I Hate it!

PLEASE, IMPROOVE IT!!!

ORIGINAL: p750souza

Many things are quite easy and time-savers.
I wish a better organized insert place to rack plugins on each track with dedicated buttons to bypass and on/off as well..
Many times I need to bypass a single plugin in a chain of couples but when right click on the mouse and use bypass function the whole insert is set to bypass. So the only way is to open the plugin and bypass it. What a time consumming...
I Hate it!

PLEASE, IMPROOVE IT!!!

Dont you just press the little green square next to the plugin name?

Dont you just press the little green square next to the plugin name?

I've never tried that before. Good!!!

Well, I sure hope they fix the bug with lyrics in Sonar 7, which I have described in other threads.

- Color coding on tracks in the Fader view!

- UNDO QUANTIZE - after I quantize a very large portion of midi, I want to be able to highlight a few notes and just UNquantize them back to the way they were!

ORIGINAL: yoe

- Color coding on tracks in the Fader view!

- UNDO QUANTIZE - after I quantize a very large portion of midi, I want to be able to highlight a few notes and just UNquantize them back to the way they were!

You're at least a year too late... try here...

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1403795&mpage=1&key=

...but don't hold your breath.

Bump.....

Thought I'd add my 2 cents

1. Split layers to tracks

2. off/on button for auto-loop in the loop explorer

3. Zoom in/out and snap to zero for Dropzone

4. 2 more elements in Dropzone for easy drum kit creation (kick, snare, open hat, closed hat) or creating layered velocity sensitive instruments.

5. A way to change NRPN value range. From 0-16,383 to 0-127

6. Add velocity sensitivity to Cyclone and hi/lo filters per pad

7. Better user file management in Beatscape

8. Drum machine mode for Beatscape (mpc style vsti)

9. a draw/add transient tool to loop construction view

10. A way to change multiple outputs at once

For Sonar 9 (or an update on 8) I'd like to see:

Ability to change how beats are divided up on the grid in the piano roll as well as a metronome that is configurable for triple time, i.e beat 1 and 4 accented in 6/8 and those same beats different from the other grid lines in the piano roll. I do a lot of sequencing that needs to be exported to notation software and it would be very helpful to have this visual aid in the piano roll corresponding to the musical feeling. Also, I sometimes get sent midi sequences for notation in the wrong time signatures (i.e 4/4 even though the actual time is 12/8), and I need to be able to change the time signature without Sonar changing the tempo and also be able to let Sonar stretch the time map with the midi so that tempo changes fall at the right places musically after changing time signature.

A separate tempo scale command would be great, too. Fit to Time just doesn't always cut it.

Can we have that please? It isn't too much to ask now is it:-)

Dave

Wow, the replies are so long this may be covered, but we asked that the CPU meter stop flashing... and that wasn't covered in 8.02.

ORIGINAL: razor

Wow, the replies are so long this may be covered, but we asked that the CPU meter stop flashing... and that wasn't covered in 8.02.

You can turn off the status bar in the globle options if that's what you mean.

I'm just starting to get into some 5.1 surround projects. It would be nice if Sonar could handle a complete DVD Audio project without the need for third party Apps like Discwelder. I would like to see it all done in house like Samp. Also an AC3 encoder expressly for Sonar, like Steinberg has for Nuendo, would be nice.

ORIGINAL: fresh101

ORIGINAL: razor

Wow, the replies are so long this may be covered, but we asked that the CPU meter stop flashing... and that wasn't covered in 8.02.

You can turn off the status bar in the globle options if that's what you mean.

Thanks, but no. There are little flashes where the CPU meter spazzes out. I read under a different post that I wasn't the only one where this was happening.