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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 04:14:58
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 12:02:07
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Which suggests to me that they don't have a clue what they're talking about. I am 99% sure that an automated ETA was added to the item without any human input, and the representative who emailed me doesn't have an effing clue about what's going on with Sonar. It's just sloppy stock management and typical of Guitar Center. I replied asking for clarification, but I'm not holding out for any coherent answer.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 13:58:54
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Does this come with a free Les Paul?
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 18:46:59
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Does this come with a free Les Paul?
Just read that Gibson is in real financial straights; while not exactly new news to the music community - it shows that the struggle is real, and that quality and pricing have been issues for a long time. Long enough to eat away at everything! Brian
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 18:47:09
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For those of you with access to Sirius/XM on the volume channel (106) yesterday they spent a good hour or so talking about Gibson's issues and possible pending bankruptcy. They had a guy on who brought up some of the bad decisions the company has made over the past several years. Things like focusing on consumer electronics and not really on guitars. He mentioned how they sold their factory and warehouse to pay off debts and it still wasn't enough. Then he mentioned how Gibson "pissed off" a lot of people by ending development of their DAW, he didn't mention SONAR by name, but he said it had a very big and loyal online community.
As for this deal at Guitar Center, sounds like someone needs to make some $$, either the retailer or Gibson. Maybe this is good and it means the servers will stay running longer.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 20:39:14
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2018/02/16 20:45:07
Mesh
Does this come with a free Les Paul?
I'll take another LP! If it does, I'll pay for an upgrade. 
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 20:41:37
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Guitar Center is about to kick the bucket, too. So it makes perfect sense.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 20:42:57
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For those of you with access to Sirius/XM on the volume channel (106) yesterday they spent a good hour or so talking about Gibson's issues and possible pending bankruptcy. They had a guy on who brought up some of the bad decisions the company has made over the past several years. Things like focusing on consumer electronics and not really on guitars. He mentioned how they sold their factory and warehouse to pay off debts and it still wasn't enough. Then he mentioned how Gibson "pissed off" a lot of people by ending development of their DAW, he didn't mention SONAR by name, but he said it had a very big and loyal online community.
As for this deal at Guitar Center, sounds like someone needs to make some $$, either the retailer or Gibson. Maybe this is good and it means the servers will stay running longer.
It seems to me, the fact that this forum is still running means something. I don't know why it would be kept open if Gibson wasn't at least checking into all of their options.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 20:47:17
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emwhy
For those of you with access to Sirius/XM on the volume channel (106) yesterday they spent a good hour or so talking about Gibson's issues and possible pending bankruptcy. They had a guy on who brought up some of the bad decisions the company has made over the past several years. Things like focusing on consumer electronics and not really on guitars. He mentioned how they sold their factory and warehouse to pay off debts and it still wasn't enough. Then he mentioned how Gibson "pissed off" a lot of people by ending development of their DAW, he didn't mention SONAR by name, but he said it had a very big and loyal online community.
As for this deal at Guitar Center, sounds like someone needs to make some $$, either the retailer or Gibson. Maybe this is good and it means the servers will stay running longer.
It seems to me, the fact that this forum is still running means something. I don't know why it would be kept open if Gibson wasn't at least checking into all of their options.
Maybe, they're waiting to see if the price is right before selling??
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 20:55:15
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/02/16 21:46:24
I received clarification from GC:
Thank you for your recent inquiry. You're definitely right, Cakewalk is defunct, and it was an error on our part. that 3/5 date might have been leftover info from before they went out of business, but we're definitely not expecting any more stock on that now. The page now says 'we're sorry, we no longer carry this item."
Sorry for any confusion regarding that product availability.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 20:57:15
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The story is on the sirius volume channel, debatable show.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 21:46:55
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sharke
I received clarification from GC:
Thank you for your recent inquiry. You're definitely right, Cakewalk is defunct, and it was an error on our part. that 3/5 date might have been leftover info from before they went out of business, but we're definitely not expecting any more stock on that now. The page now says 'we're sorry, we no longer carry this item."
Sorry for any confusion regarding that product availability.
Well that certainly clears things up!
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 22:29:32
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The story is on the sirius volume channel, debatable show.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 22:48:29
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/16 23:24:01
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gswitz
The story is on the sirius volume channel, debatable show.
??????
That's the name of the show, if you are looking for it in the SiriusXM App. 'Debateable' I had a bit of hunt to find it. I was interested in listening. So when I found it, I posted the details of how to listen.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/17 16:17:29
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gswitz
The story is on the sirius volume channel, debatable show.
??????
That's the name of the show, if you are looking for it in the SiriusXM App. 'Debateable'
I had a bit of hunt to find it. I was interested in listening. So when I found it, I posted the details of how to listen.
Did you listen to it and give a briefing?
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/17 17:04:58
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I did listen to it. I thought it wasn't very helpful. There were a bunch of people calling in saying they couldn't tune a Les Paul. Seemed stupid to me. I mean, I can get that you don't like the guitars b/c of how they sound or look, or what it feels like to wear them. But can't tune it doesn't sound like a guitar problem itself. I can't honestly believe the tuners are no good. I did a little research and Reverb.com has some interesting articles that show that Gibson prices rose where Fender prices fell... https://reverb.com/news/guitaronomics-have-guitars-become-more-expensive-over-time These are inflation adjusted prices. Additionally, there is another article from Reverb.com that shows that while guitar in popular music seems less common, guitar sales are actually fairly strong in the USA. I'm guessing that there is a significant market segment willing to pay a little more for a Les Paul. I think it's called price elasticity (or inelastic)... if you change the price and your sales don't change much, you can change your price a good deal and keep certain customers. For example, the people who buy newspapers will pay whatever is charged, but you can't entice new buyers even if you were giving it away for 5 cents. :-) so might as well charge more in some cases, even while buyers are disappearing. I don't know that much about the economics of it. I'm sure they have smart people on the job. What I got out of my reading and the radio show was basically that Gibson has been trying to innovate and the rockers have not been excited about. Consider their venture into the robotic tuners. No one seemed into it. I don't really think that it's the price. I, myself, have a fairly healthy annual budget and have been shopping Gibsons. I don't really want the battery driven tuners not b/c they aren't cool. Not b/c they don't work. I don't want the battery b/c it's bad for the environment and I don't really need it. I don't use those clip on tuners for the same reason. I have an old tuner I got in the 80s that takes a 9volt. It's a Korg DT3. That works fine. The battery rarely needs replacing and if a pedal needs a battery, I can take the battery from my tuner. :-) or vice versa. So, idk. Seems like Gibson was trying some smart things. It might have been a big hit. I love my car that stays between the lines for me. Some robotic stuff is super cool. I hope Gibson works out their problems. I just got home from an hour at GC where I watched a wealthy dude buy a pretty Gibson arch-top. It's stupid to say they aren't good guitars, imho.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/17 18:09:25
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Does this come with a free Les Paul?
Just read that Gibson is in real financial straights; while not exactly new news to the music community - it shows that the struggle is real, and that quality and pricing have been issues for a long time. Long enough to eat away at everything!
Brian
High priced items that lack quality takes a long time for the consumers to forgive. It's like the US auto industry. Crap cars started coming out in the 70's and now it's to the point that Detroit is not the #1 US maker. If one spends 4 digits on an instrument and it's not the value, good luck getting that person back.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/17 18:22:25
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Guitar Center is about to kick the bucket, too. So it makes perfect sense.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Not likely. As for instruments they've become a Wal-Mart. You see far more budget guitars. The one closest to me doesn't even have a PRS. There is no shortage of the under $200 inventory. The pro audio section has less software. This is where it is reversed from the guitar section. They have all of the expensive software like DAWs. Hardly any plugins unless it's something like Omnisphere. You wont find anything for under $50. There's a lot of things there that will keep those places open. The only time I go there is for strings and cables. I live an area where anything musician related sucks.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/17 19:53:50
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Does this come with a free Les Paul?
Just read that Gibson is in real financial straights; while not exactly new news to the music community - it shows that the struggle is real, and that quality and pricing have been issues for a long time. Long enough to eat away at everything!
Brian
High priced items that lack quality takes a long time for the consumers to forgive. It's like the US auto industry. Crap cars started coming out in the 70's and now it's to the point that Detroit is not the #1 US maker.
If one spends 4 digits on an instrument and it's not the value, good luck getting that person back.
I know people post pictures all of the time in regards to quality issues on Gibsons, but of the hundreds that I have personally picked up and played over the last 5 years, I have not personally come across one of these instruments. The Les Paul Traditional that I just bought in December, a week before Christmas, is the highest quality, best playing LP of the 5, I have personally owned. I keep saying it, but maybe I am just an incredibly lucky guy.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/18 06:11:40
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To be fair, Gibson has also been hit pretty hard by the CITIES stuff and the federal raids. They've had some pretty serious supply-chain issues.
However, Fender has moved-on to Pao Ferro though. They were a little more proactive in this matter I think.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/18 10:04:44
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To be fair, Gibson has also been hit pretty hard by the CITIES stuff and the federal raids. They've had some pretty serious supply-chain issues.
However, Fender has moved-on to Pao Ferro though. They were a little more proactive in this matter I think.
Me....Not being a US citizen ....pls ... what is the raids ?
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/18 12:50:28
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I live in the United States and i have no idea.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/18 13:01:32
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Gibson got in trouble for some "undocumented" brazilian rosewood.
But that was years ago.
Henry evidently bit off more than he can chew.
Gibson will reorganize and limp forward.
Gibson, Inc. Kalamazoo, MI has been gone for a long time...
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/18 14:06:21
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☄ Helpfulby rcklln 2018/02/18 14:17:50
One day, my kid will say 'dad is so old he used to buy guitars made of wood.'
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/18 16:46:13
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One of these days your grand kids may say "this wood guitar I am playing is older than my dad".
Anne Akiko Meyers, with her recently acquired Guarneri violin, at NPR's Studio 1. The Vieuxtemps Guarneri is a violin that is older than the United States of America — 273 years old, to be exact. It recently became the most expensive violin in the world, selling for an estimated $16 million.Mar 7, 2014
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
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mister happy
One of these days your grand kids may say "this wood guitar I am playing is older than my dad".
Anne Akiko Meyers, with her recently acquired Guarneri violin, at NPR's Studio 1. The Vieuxtemps Guarneri is a violin that is older than the United States of America — 273 years old, to be exact. It recently became the most expensive violin in the world, selling for an estimated $16 million.Mar 7, 2014
Violin makers look for the oldest wood possible.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
2018/02/18 16:57:05
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DeeringAmps
Gibson got in trouble for some "undocumented" brazilian rosewood.
But that was years ago.
Henry evidently bit off more than he can chew.
Gibson will reorganize and limp forward.
Gibson, Inc. Kalamazoo, MI has been gone for a long time...
T
I think they were cleared of that. Sad that there is a such thing as undocumented" brazilian rosewood.
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Re: Sonar Platinum at Guitar Center
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mister happy
One of these days your grand kids may say "this wood guitar I am playing is older than my dad".
Anne Akiko Meyers, with her recently acquired Guarneri violin, at NPR's Studio 1. The Vieuxtemps Guarneri is a violin that is older than the United States of America — 273 years old, to be exact. It recently became the most expensive violin in the world, selling for an estimated $16 million.Mar 7, 2014
She coulda saved some money and bought the VST version.
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