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Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem

Hi Guys
 
Just built a new high end PC, using the built in Creative Soundblaster Recon 3Di sound. I installed Sonar and the problem is that a track that I am trying to record an instrument on is recording the other track(s) that are playing. My driver choices are all labeled "Malcom" .
 
I can't seem to attach a screen cap?
 
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/14 10:29:29 (permalink)
    Wow.  Nobody :(
     
     
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/14 10:40:31 (permalink)
    The soundcard is echoing output to input internally. Change the input in the soundcard's mixer app from 'What U Hear' or ' Stereo mix' to Mic/Line In.
     
     

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/14 11:36:17 (permalink)
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    The soundcard is echoing output to input internally. Change the input in the soundcard's mixer app from 'What U Hear' or ' Stereo mix' to Mic/Line In.
     
     


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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/14 14:24:50 (permalink)
    Thanks, Guys
     
    I can't find where to change that. How do I post a screen capture so I can show you what I have?
     
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/14 14:39:36 (permalink)
    The Recording panel, where you can disable What You Hear (what SoundBlaster calls Stereo Mix)  is in
    Control Panel/Hardware and Sound and finally the Sound Panel, Recording section. 
     
    If you are using Windows 10, RIGHT click on the start button (lower left) and you can access the Control Panel.
     
    I haven't found a way to post screenshots directly on this forum.  What you would need to do is post the screenshot on some host server and then provide a link to the screenshot. 

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/14 16:24:49 (permalink)
    Jack, my fellow Franklin Bro :)
     
    OK, I changed recording property from "what you hear" to "line in"?
     
    Still the same. In the SB mixer, I only have line in listed now in mixer/recording.
     
    Win 7 Pro 64, BTW.
     
    Should I install my old M-Audio Audiophile 2496 pci sound card?
     
    thx
     
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/15 04:12:44 (permalink)
    Yes!
     
    And disable the Soundblaster!

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/15 06:49:46 (permalink)
    The only issue is whether the old PCI 2496 is compatible with the new motherboard (and I assume Win 10).
     
    Best option is a (Win 10 compatible) USB connected recording interface device.  Some inexpensive two channel ones that won't break the bank.
     

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/15 08:06:08 (permalink)
    I don't think soundblaster and high-end are compatible terms

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/15 10:02:01 (permalink)
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    The only issue is whether the old PCI 2496 is compatible with the new motherboard (and I assume Win 10).
     
    Best option is a (Win 10 compatible) USB connected recording interface device.  Some inexpensive two channel ones that won't break the bank.
     




    My new MB is a Gigabyte gaming 7 GA-Z170X, I7 6700, 32 gb Ram, 950 nvidia card, samsung evo pro ssd.
     
    I'm running Win 7 Pro 64, BTW. Don't like 10!
     
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/15 10:27:02 (permalink)
    Creative Drivers are well known to conflict with Sonar, Not sure if this has changed but there used to be 100's of threads on that subject a few years back. But as we slowly all swicthed to proper audio interfaces the Sound Blaster posts have slowy faded into oblivion. 
     
    CJ always put it best- " Take the SB card to the highers building in town and throw it into the traffic at rush hour" 
    Another good one was " Why would you use a $20 sound card with $500 software?" 
     
    DO your self a favour and purchase a proper audio interface,, not a sound card. Sonar will love you for it. 
     

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/15 10:55:58 (permalink)
    Decide if you primarily want to record music or play games.  If you just want to fart around with music but mainly play games, stick with the SB.  I used an Audigy for playback and recording 10-15 years ago.  It worked, the sound quality was good but the crapware that came with it was a pain and the latency was bad.  I don't know how much has changed - it is a gaming card.  You'll just have to put up with a lot of stuff when recording.
     
    If your main interest is in music, get a real music interface.
     
    Hint, you can use 2 cards, although that opens up another can of worms.  But if you have only one high end computer and want to game and make beautiful music, that could work well for you.  And some interfaces will work well for both.  Don't try TC KOnnect, tho.  For years people would come onsite and complain that their $1700 interface didn't switch between music and games or youtube or porno cleanly but their $5 built-in card did.  I found it worked really well for recording, tho. ;-)

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/15 11:20:45 (permalink)
    Thanks, Guys
     
    I don't play games,  I bought this MB for it's quality. My recording needs are simple:
     
    Someone sends me a stereo audio track and I record a steel track for them. I need 1 mic input to record my daughter occasionally.
     
    My old setup that worked well was the Delta 2496 card and a cheap Behringer MX 602A mixer. 1 xlr phantom mic input, 2 inputs for the steel (stereo).  3 way EQ on each channel was nice, also.  I also run the PC audio out into the mixer and output the mixer to a pair of KRK V4 Series II powered speakers.
     
    I'm willing to upgrade if it makes things simpler.
     
    BTW, I only record once in a while but like to be setup if someone needs help.
     
    thx
     
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/15 11:34:23 (permalink)
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    Creative Drivers are well known to conflict with Sonar, Not sure if this has changed but there used to be 100's of threads on that subject a few years back. But as we slowly all swicthed to proper audio interfaces the Sound Blaster posts have slowy faded into oblivion. 
     
    CJ always put it best- " Take the SB card to the highers building in town and throw it into the traffic at rush hour" 
    Another good one was " Why would you use a $20 sound card with $500 software?" 
     
    DO your self a favour and purchase a proper audio interface,, not a sound card. Sonar will love you for it. 
     


    Johnny,  The sound card is built into the MB. How do I disable it?  In the Bios or device manager? Will that get rid of the SB software?  I guess I would lose my SPDIF out but I don't use it anyway.
     
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/15 13:06:36 (permalink)
    I had a SoundBlaster sound card and it interfered with Sonar.  As your SoundBlaster is on the motherboard you can disable it in the BIOS or disable it in the Device Manager.  Easiest way would be in the Device Manager and then if/when you want to use it with regular PC sound just enable it.  My current system has Realtek PC sound and it does not interfere.  I don't have to disable it when I use Sonar and my recording interface unit.  Just set up Sonar to only use whatever recording interface you buy (such as the Focusrite 2i2 I recommended on the Steel Guitar forum).

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/16 04:20:50 (permalink)
    It might work, but it's a Behringer.
     
    Try looking at units from Focusrite, Presonus etc - they have better drivers

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/16 06:23:51 (permalink)
    I suggested a Focusrite 2i2 (second generation) to him on a different post.

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/16 18:35:33 (permalink)
    Yes most important to Sonar is top notch audio drivers. The Behringer will work but they have pretty low quality drivers ( if any) on those little mixers .. I have one myself and it uses Generic audio codex. Just fine for playback or a straight up stereo recording into Audacity , but multi track recording will end up out of sync to other tracks.
     
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/16 21:01:55 (permalink)
    Thanks, Guys
     
    You were right; I tried to put my M-audio card in my new pc but no PCI slots.
     
    Still struggling with good sound card vs audio interface. Is there less latency with a decent sound card, assuming the computer is not a limiting factor?  (i7 6700, 32 RAM).
     
    I also like having a real mixer with physical EQ like my old setup. Even my 10 year old Core 2 Duo with the m-audio card worked great with Sonar 8.
     
    Thanks again for all the advise,
     
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/17 03:50:46 (permalink)
    You'll find that most of the higher quality units are separate interfaces, not soundcards.
    Get it specc'ed properly and latency will not be an issue.
     
    Your computer will not be a limiting factor.
     
    All you need do is decide how many simultaneous Inputs & Outputs you need, decide on a budget and do a search.

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/17 10:09:59 (permalink)
    i think "sound card" and "audio interface" are pretty much interchangeable

    just a sec

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/17 10:25:10 (permalink)
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    Yes most important to Sonar is top notch audio drivers. The Behringer will work but they have pretty low quality drivers ( if any) on those little mixers .. I have one myself and it uses Generic audio codex. Just fine for playback or a straight up stereo recording into Audacity , but multi track recording will end up out of sync to other tracks.
     
    Top of my list for budget interfaces is the Tascam 2x2 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/US2X2
    And check out this sale price...$120.
    It has the option of plug in power which the Focusrite 2i2 and 2i4 do not. I have a Focurite 6i6 which is solid drivers but the Pre amps I do not like. Next on my list is the Tascam 




    I'm trying to decide between the Tascam and the Focurite 2i2. The Focurite has higher rez, 192? if that matters in my world?
     
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    i think "sound card" and "audio interface" are pretty much interchangeable


    Dunno.
     
    I always considered a soundcard to be an internal unit, as opposed to an interface which is external.
     
    Removes all ambiguity

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/17 10:53:02 (permalink)
    "interface" is the generic term that covers all the variants (onboard, card-in-slot, external)

    just a sec

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/17 11:06:16 (permalink)
    Semantics aside.....
     
    I still feel he will get higher quality by choosing an external device over an internal one.

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/17 11:54:11 (permalink)
    Can you guys tell me if a 2x interface would act as the everyday PC sound card without having to enable and disable internal audio, etc?   I would like to hook up my powered monitors to it and not have to use the 2 inputs for listening to PC audio?
     
    Sorry, I'm new to the whole interface thing. I'm hoping the USB port is 2 way, also receiving the stereo output from the PC?
     
    thx
     
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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/17 12:20:36 (permalink)
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    Semantics aside.....

    and definitions! ;-) :-P
     

    just a sec

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    Re: Sonar Producer 8 Recording Problem 2016/08/17 20:44:51 (permalink)
    Do you guys have an opinion on this M-Audio unit:
     
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MTrack2x2
     

     
    thx
     
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