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Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! {SOLVED}

I am sure I am missing something really simple here!
 
I have loaded a simple "4 Out" instance of Kontakt 5
 
I wanted to create a Horn Section so I have loaded up the following instruments in Kontakt: Trumpets, Trombone, Tenor Sax and Alto Sax
 
I have managed to get my AUDIO routing sorted so that each instrument outputs to a separate audio track in Kontakt (I was pulling my hair out with this one until I found the option in Kontakt to automatically create separate outputs for each instrument!)
 
My issue is MIDI (and as a guitarist I am not that familiar with the world of MIDI!)
 
I have a controller keyboard that I have set to channel 1 - all of my instruments in Kontakt are also set to channel 1 and they all play together
 
I now want to set it up so that I have the different instruments on different MIDI channels so I can get them playing different things in the same instance of Kontakt
 
I have inserted another MIDI channel and pointed it to Kontakt - when my keyboard controller is set to channel 1 all the instruments play
 
However, if I set my keyboard controller to Channel 2 - and set one of the instruments to channel 2 - I do not get any sound? - eg I may want the trumpets to respond to channel 1, the saw to channel 2 etc.
 
What am I missing?
 
I thought this was how it was supposed to work so that I do not need to load lots of different instances of Kontakt??
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Re: Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! 2013/10/01 06:47:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Boydie 2013/10/01 16:57:46

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Re: Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! 2013/10/01 06:56:25 (permalink)
Thanks JOHN
 
That was the thread I found last night via GOOGLE and was very helpful
 
I think I am doing everything you have explained in your guide - what am I missing in my approach above (which looks the same as your guide?!?!?!)
 
It feels like I am really close
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Re: Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! 2013/10/01 07:18:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Boydie 2013/10/01 16:57:29
I would leave your controller keyboard on channel 1 at all times.
 
Then, create your new midi track and point it to Kontakt by going into the inspector and selecting Omni as the midi input and (for example) Kontakt 5 1 as the output, this is under IN/OUT section.
 
Below the FX section in the inspector you will see 3 drop down boxes, these are
C Channel
B Bank
P Patch
 
Change the channel from 'none' to (for example) 2:Kontakt 5
 
Now when you select the track it will accept any midi channel information from your controller and output it to Kontakt on the midi channel set.
 
 

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Re: Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! 2013/10/01 07:21:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Boydie 2013/10/01 16:57:34
You do NOT have to change the midi controller channel to accomplish what you are trying to do - unless I need more coffee and misread your post.
 
I do this all day every day.
 
Assuming you have your instruments loaded up in channels 1, 2, 3, 4, and you have audio outputs set up using the Batch Function to clear the outputs and create new outputs for each loaded instrument, the rest is super easy.
 
You are only then missing some tweaks to the assignments in the Console View channel strips for each midi channel you wish to set up - I am assuming you will have 4 midi tracks setup, one for each loaded Kontakt instrument.
 
OK - so, for each midi track in the channel strip, set the Midi OUTPUT Channel (just below the FX Bin, to the midi channel associated to the instrument you want to trigger with that midi track.  Do NOT change the midi input channel for that midi track - just leave it as omni/none.
 
When you set the desired midi track in focus, Sonar by default sets that midi track's Input Echo on, which will then connect the dots for you and you will hear the audio output from the corresponding loaded instrument in Kontakt.  You can also manually set other Input Echo buttons on, for other midi tracks, if you want to hear more than one play simultaneously.
 
I hope I have explained things.  It's harder to explain than it is to do, and you are close.
 
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Re: Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! 2013/10/01 08:54:53 (permalink)
AHA! - I assumed I needed to change my controller channel
 
I will have a play with these suggestions tonight and report back
 
(Hopefully this is another "DOH!" to add to my accumulation of wisdom!)
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Re: Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! 2013/10/01 17:03:59 (permalink)
Thank you soooooooooooooooooooooo much guys!
 
I had my EUREKA moment following your advice
 
I had originally thought the MIDI INPUT was where I needed to make the changes as I wrongly assumed this was the "input" to KONTAKT
 
I now understand (I think!) that the "input" goes to the Sonar MIDI track and I need to choose the "output" of the MIDI track to go to the relevant channel of KONTAKT
 
KONTAKT then outputs the audio, which I had routed correctly to individual audio tracks in Sonar
 
Have I got it?
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Re: Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! 2013/10/01 17:13:34 (permalink)
Exactly, let SONAR route the midi for you rather than having to keep changing channel on your controller.

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Re: Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! 2013/10/01 18:10:31 (permalink)
Whats the advantage of doing it that way as opposed to having multiple instances of Kontakt running?  Sorry if that seems a daft question but it is genuine as I can't see the disadvantage of having multiple instances of Kontakt on a decent modern system as the actual amounts of memory and CPU resources needed are pretty small in comparison to the power available.
 
I can regularly have up to 10 instances of Kontakt open with some pretty heavy libraries such as Abbey Road Drums etc but it not even make a dent in my CPU or memory usage (16GB memory) according to the usage icons within Sonar.
 
I have had occassions where midi notes seem to stop playing but that wasn't confined to Kontakt and could have been any number of VSTi's but I foud increasing the midi buffer solved that problem. Am I missing something?
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Re: Sonar X2 & Kontakt 5 MIDI Routing - HELP! 2013/10/01 20:23:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby PTheory 2013/10/02 04:02:19
Just a performance thing, really.
 
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