jsg

Danny Danzi

jamesyoyo


While I won't go that far to say its a bust....X2 has so many weird things happening in so many places that I am moving towards that conclusion.

I used it on one of my little machines for quite a while just to make sure it was ok. It seemed ok so I added it to one of my big recording boxes. I've had so many weird things happen, I can't even remember them all nor do I know where to start. Thank God it's not crashing on me or anything, but man....+1000 on "weird things"! If there is an Xxx whatever they come up with next, the first thing off my box is X2. Not because it doesn't work...it's just too weird to comprehend.
 
One of the things that bothers me right now....record a punch in. Slip edit one side. Go to edit/undo, it will say "undo recording" instead of "undo crop". If you click undo recording, it un-does the crop....but I'm finding little weird things all over that are just freaking me out.
 
Would I call it a bust? Absolutely not. It's been incredibly stable for me and let me tell ya, I work these programs to death. But to me, "weird" describes X2....it's not a bust at all.
 
-Danny

Did you report this to CW Danny?
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com

You know me....I'm a report prostitute. :) The problem is....many of the issues that happen to me cannot be reproduced. Weird things just happen out of nowhere and the biggest thing for me has been I've not had the time to do anything but keep on working.
 
To answer your question though, no I never did report the "undo" thing I mentioned. I have reported as many other things as I could find before the last X2 update though.
 
-Danny

brconflict


Speaking of undo. Sonar should have a separate undo history for movements, such as fader, plug-in, PC, etc., separate from the Track-Editing Undo. And offer a history, where you can select the undo's you want. 

I've always thought that too BR. Seperate would be great! Then again, for my little brain, it could get cornfusing. I've been using Sequoia 12 as of late...whew, insane program...but all the undo's on everything sort of drives me nuts. Even Reaper has undo's like crazy of every little thing. I'm trying to make up my mind whether I like the way Sonar is with less undo ability....or do I really want fader movements and stuff to be included....or have them in a seperate undo like you are mentioning. The more I think about it, the more it might be cool...sort of like how we have a seperate view undo. I'd be all for trying it...you got my vote. :)
 
-Danny

jsg

HeeBeeJeeBee


1. Why does it take 30 days to get a response from the Cakewalk Help now that Roland has bought them? 2. Why when I tell them that this works in X1 Producer but is broken in X2 Producer do they tell me that it must be the other VST parties so ask them? I point out that it works in X1 but is broken in X2 and they still blame the other companies. 3. Why does X2 Producer break down after 24 tracks. After 24 VST and audio tracks, suddenly the keyboard is playing 5 tracks instead of the one chosen. Again I load 30 tracks into X1 and it works perfectly. 4. Why is the last X2 bug fix from 2012? 5. Is it possible that Roland wants to not compete in the professional DAW market so they are killing Sonar Producer? That is what it looks like to me. 6. I have been with Cakewalk since before Sonar, 1998...Cakewalk 5. Now I have to learn a new technology because of this. It is making my spirit sick.

Tech support with CW is laughably slow.  Sometimes I get a response months after my inquiry.  On the contrary, MOTU has greatly improved its tech support, I often get same-day or next-day answers.
 
Roland does seem to be ruining Cakewalk, or so it appears.  I hope I am proven wrong.  Are you absolutely sure you've exhausted user-error possibilites? 
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 

That's strange, every time I've called support I've talked to a tech between like 3 and 15 minutes...granted I haven't called in about a month and it was usually about an installation/registration problem but I've never had a problem getting through....I think maybe they see your number on caller ID and don't answer Jerry....hey, hey...easy man, just kidding : )

g_randybrown

jsg

HeeBeeJeeBee


1. Why does it take 30 days to get a response from the Cakewalk Help now that Roland has bought them? 2. Why when I tell them that this works in X1 Producer but is broken in X2 Producer do they tell me that it must be the other VST parties so ask them? I point out that it works in X1 but is broken in X2 and they still blame the other companies. 3. Why does X2 Producer break down after 24 tracks. After 24 VST and audio tracks, suddenly the keyboard is playing 5 tracks instead of the one chosen. Again I load 30 tracks into X1 and it works perfectly. 4. Why is the last X2 bug fix from 2012? 5. Is it possible that Roland wants to not compete in the professional DAW market so they are killing Sonar Producer? That is what it looks like to me. 6. I have been with Cakewalk since before Sonar, 1998...Cakewalk 5. Now I have to learn a new technology because of this. It is making my spirit sick.

Tech support with CW is laughably slow.  Sometimes I get a response months after my inquiry.  On the contrary, MOTU has greatly improved its tech support, I often get same-day or next-day answers.

Roland does seem to be ruining Cakewalk, or so it appears.  I hope I am proven wrong.  Are you absolutely sure you've exhausted user-error possibilites? 

JG
www.jerrygerber.com

That's strange, every time I've called support I've talked to a tech between like 3 and 15 minutes...granted I haven't called in about a month and it was usually about an installation/registration problem but I've never had a problem getting through....I think maybe they see your number on caller ID and don't answer Jerry....hey, hey...easy man, just kidding : )

Try writing to CW, that's what I was referring to. 
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com

g_randybrown


Try writing to CW, that's what I was referring to.  


Well you got me there bud as I've never needed to...that said, I hope you realize I was just poking fun...I've known for sometime now that someone of your stature/level of composing needs to be in a workflow of no-kinda-crap happening workflow...and I'm very serious about that.

I try not to expect software to be perfect, I'm not and no one else is and no one can create perfect things.  Crashes and instability are intolerable and will interrupt workflow, but small bugs, in fact many bugs, have workarounds.  X1 was intolerable and unusable, I am finding X2a quite usable--so far that is, I'm working on my first composition with it but so far so good.  I realize you were poking fun, no problem.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 

I haven't had many problems with X2 except the problem of the crash when I click on a floating CV's master buss. However, that may be fixed now, I can't seem to get it to do that anymore. 

The assertion that X2 is a bust by the op is nonsense. 

trimph1


maybe it is a bust...for him.

generalizations don't cut it here...I've found things that made me go 'huh'?, but never to the extent of throwing it out....

That's a good way to put it Trimph. In my DAW tests, something has to really get to me to where I'd call it a bust. I could sit here and tell you the things I've found wrong with each DAW. Just about none of them have issues to where I "can't" use them and feel they should be thrown out.
 
I think another thing that can be a turn-off is how people get used to one DAW and then use another. I'm so used to Sonar as it is still my weapon of choice, when I have to do something in another program that I'm used to in Sonar that may be the long way around, it's like "huh, why did they do it that way...to be stupid or because Sonar had it that way first and they didn't want to cop us?"
 
Then the same thing happens in the other programs and it's like "I so wish Sonar would implement this" or "I wish we could do this like this in Sonar." So it's always going to be a subjective situation depending on how someone uses a DAW really. I have to say this though....there were far more things work-flow wise that I liked in Sonar 8.5 than those we have now in X2.
 
It's like they made stuff like "preferences" in a generalized area where you can do all your tweaks yet left other things scattered all across the DAW and even removed some important options from view. You know, stuff like personal tool bar options and the like. I'm still having a problem with our little tempo tool being totally missing from view. Stuff like that gets to me especially when it happens to be a few things that I have relied on. I'd like the option to control what I see, where I see it and how it reacts. Laying things out that say "ok, this is the new way you HAVE to do things" when what you did before is the better option is what turns me off from any DAW.
 
When something is broke or they feel something is broke, I think the community should vote on that before some guy upstairs forces a total change within a program. WE are the ones that will always use it more. The power of the people that use the thing should make the difference in the DAW world. Change is good....forced change without an option to revert to something that was just as good or better for a person is definitely NOT a better option. 
 
"Sonar, the people's DAW....born, bread and programmed for and by it's user base."
 
Sounds like a winner to me. :)
 
-Danny

I don't know John, I personally don't see a problem with it. In a sense, whether the OP is right wrong, a troll or otherwise, I think the Bakers are reading and there have been some good points raised that may be beneficial to them, wouldn't you agree?

I also think that we took a negative thread and exploited the good and the bad while making it positive again. We stick up for our beloved DAW in one breath, and then do not "accept" its abnormalities in the next. To me that annihilates a bunch of fan boys posting in the thread saying "Sonar is the DAW of the gods and you're a bust pal!" LOL! But...that's just me.

Hey, off the record....a special thanks to you Sir (and all our Vets) for your service this memorial day...and all days. You're ALL loved and appreciated in this household. Thank you! :)

-Danny

Danny Danzi


I don't know John, I personally don't see a problem with it. In a sense, whether the OP is right wrong, a troll or otherwise, I think the Bakers are reading and there have been some good points raised that may be beneficial to them, wouldn't you agree?

I also think that we took a negative thread and exploited the good and the bad while making it positive again. We stick up for our beloved DAW in one breath, and then do not "accept" its abnormalities in the next. To me that annihilates a bunch of fan boys posting in the thread saying "Sonar is the DAW of the gods and you're a bust pal!" LOL! But...that's just me.

Hey, off the record....a special thanks to you Sir (and all our Vets) for your service this memorial day...and all days. You're ALL loved and appreciated in this household. Thank you! :)

-Danny

That is totally unfair!  You've taken a bad thread and in one post turned it around. Shame on you LOL

Thank you Danny from the bottom of my heart. 

Edit to add 

Danny you have been consistent through the years with your support for vets. I hope you know that  fidelity in this regard is also appreciated and makes you a man of honor. 

"I'm a report prostitute" punk ass trick lol how much do you charge an hour Danni, might have some clients for you lol

John

chuckebaby

Danny Danzi


I don't know John, I personally don't see a problem with it. In a sense, whether the OP is right wrong, a troll or otherwise, I think the Bakers are reading and there have been some good points raised that may be beneficial to them, wouldn't you agree?

I also think that we took a negative thread and exploited the good and the bad while making it positive again. We stick up for our beloved DAW in one breath, and then do not "accept" its abnormalities in the next. To me that annihilates a bunch of fan boys posting in the thread saying "Sonar is the DAW of the gods and you're a bust pal!" LOL! But...that's just me.

Hey, off the record....a special thanks to you Sir (and all our Vets) for your service this memorial day...and all days. You're ALL loved and appreciated in this household. Thank you! :)

-Danny

good point man, not to derail the thread but to all the vets, thank you.
my oldest boy is 19 and shipping out to boot camp in one month. im so proud of him.
we have a road trip coming up in 2 weeks (pro football hall of fame) its going to be 11 hours of driving and having fun before he leaves.

Charlie I'm of two minds in hearing about your son. I prey he comes home well and happy. I solute you and him for your's and his patriotism. Which service is he going into? If it is the Army he is my brother if it is one of the others he is a cousin. LOL I wish him the best!

it is Army john.  :)
he graduates on the 7th, our trip starts on the 8th and he heads out to B.C. july 1st.
 
thank you john, not only for being a friend on the forum either. but also protecting this wonderful country we live in :)
 
peace.

You guys are the best but I am not the only vet on this forum. 

Also this is the day for those that did not make it home. I made it home unharmed. This day is for those that didn't. 

None the less I am humbled by your thoughtfulness. 

  Steve I know we get along well on this forum. I have liked you very much, now I know why.  

What you do is appreciated more than you can imagine. It is a magnificent thing you do for vets.   Thank you.   

It's simply a small token in return, John.  But you are welcome. 
 
 
And now back to your regularly scheduled discussion all about busts.  That was it, right?
 

Well heck! I just built a new DAW and I was doing some troubleshooting on my FaderPort and Sonar blue screened. I'm going demand my money back and unbuild my DAW and returned everything to Amazon!

However, it was easier to update Sonar to 2a And a post to the ProSonus form got me a solution for my FaderPort problem.

-JJ, Another vet USAF, SSgt.