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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/06 05:57:40
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All Sonar versions have in the past been completely separate installations which can be run side by side with previous versions, or the older ones can be deleted - it's your choice. I can't see Cake moving away from this philosophy Besides that, can you imagine the coding nightmare involved in upgrading an existing installation? Users can currently have X1, X1a, X1b, X1c, X1d, X1c Expanded, X1d expanded - how would the installer cope with knowing which files to overwrite? And that's without figuring in other options for Essential, Studio etc. No, if this isn't a stand-alone, self-sufficient version, I'll buy it for you myself! That's a promise!
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/06 06:12:47
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Dappa1
How do you guys know that you dont need to uninstall or delete X1?
How close are you guys to telepathy or the insiders at cakewalk?
Surpises me how much knowledge of a new product you have got. Wouldn't it be better to wait and see or to ask questions to get information first.
Some of you guys are from the Water Margins aren't you cool it down sensei!
The same way we know the sun will rise or that night goes into day. Its the way its always been. Why would CW change the way it has operated since forever? You are the one that would need to provide evidence to dispute what users have known for as long as CW has been in business.
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/06 09:25:38
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Noel wrote at Post # 324 above:- " ........ some major updates to the audio, MIDI and automation engines ......... " and " ........ we have also made some very significant and noticeable improvements to editing in general, as well as smoothing out transitions with some common operations that users complained about ...... " Noel - you should be a diplomat :) I'm guesing the above could just as easily be written as " we have reduced, even further, the glitching and gapping that occurs in certain operations reported by users ". Awesome stuff Noel - the audio engine changes [ improvements ] is probably the only " core " issue I think that X1 was significantly missing. I am betting that the audio engine improvments alone will make X2 a no-brainer update for most of us. I know I have said this before - and I mean no disrespect or offence in any way saying this - but if X1 [ now X2 ] had / has the audio engine efficiency and smoothness and " gaplessness " of Studio One V2 it would simply be untouchable as a DAW. Seems like the X2 changes will be a significant step in this direction. Kudos to you all ! TomG
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/06 12:10:57
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Time to get rid of the legacy folder structure.
The current default installation folder structure is based upon adding stuff for years without reason. And is reflective of temporary fits-of-inattention.
Especially the "Shared " prefix added to some folders. (Sure am glad no one was allowed to prefix all folder names with "MY," the ultimate stupidity)
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I do NOT want to be forced to use the predefined folder paths used by X1.
I want to choose ALL the folders during installation: including samples, synth programs, track templates,...
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A folder structure that provides easy user-backup of user-saved data: presets, programs, loops, wavs, sysex,...
NO user data should ever be placed in hidden folders.
Currently presets are saved in about 4 places. Synth programs as well.
Attempting to save DP programs requires navagation to the correct folder. This should be a default setting, defined during installation.
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/06 12:49:11
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If X2 audio is rock solid = game changer.
too many lasers...  Sonar = audio editing ninja of a music software!
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/06 18:17:41
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Sonar X1 took at least one year to get fairly stable but it's still buggy. Instead of free bugfixes on X1 they want money for a X2 upgrade... Not from me, no chance! LoL!
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/06 19:12:01
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Dappa1
How do you guys know that you dont need to uninstall or delete X1?
How close are you guys to telepathy or the insiders at cakewalk?
Surpises me how much knowledge of a new product you have got. Wouldn't it be better to wait and see or to ask questions to get information first.
Some of you guys are from the Water Margins aren't you cool it down sensei!
Because this is not the first time I have upgraded Sonar. What makes you think this will be any different?
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/06 19:38:21
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They did mention improved installation. There should be a dialog that ask if you want X2 installed over X1 if it detects it on the system. And one for a separate new installation that would leave X1 intact. They should also have automatic or manual online updates instead of us having to download the patches separately then installing them - this way no one has to figure out which order of patches to install or have to uninstall, ie. the quickfixes. Just a more user friendly update approach I would say.
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/06 20:17:01
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TomG
Noel wrote at Post # 324 above:-
" ........ some major updates to the audio, MIDI and automation engines ......... "
and
" ........ we have also made some very significant and noticeable improvements to editing in general, as well as smoothing out transitions with some common operations that users complained about ...... "
Noel - you should be a diplomat :)
I'm guesing the above could just as easily be written as " we have reduced, even further, the glitching and gapping that occurs in certain operations reported by users ".
Awesome stuff Noel - the audio engine changes [ improvements ] is probably the only " core " issue I think that X1 was significantly missing.
I am betting that the audio engine improvments alone will make X2 a no-brainer update for most of us.
I know I have said this before - and I mean no disrespect or offence in any way saying this - but if X1 [ now X2 ] had / has the audio engine efficiency and smoothness and " gaplessness " of Studio One V2 it would simply be untouchable as a DAW.
Seems like the X2 changes will be a significant step in this direction.
Kudos to you all !
TomG
everyone says that about every daw but I can find reasons to praise and knock sonar when compared to other daws it depends on the user. There is no best daw
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 03:53:02
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skylightron
They did mention improved installation. There should be a dialog that ask if you want X2 installed over X1 if it detects it on the system. And one for a separate new installation that would leave X1 intact. They should also have automatic or manual online updates instead of us having to download the patches separately then installing them - this way no one has to figure out which order of patches to install or have to uninstall, ie. the quickfixes. Just a more user friendly update approach I would say.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2632679
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 04:10:30
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I think they are one and the same and the poster simply used jargon from another product. Hopefully the take lanes are more like I described in a feature request about 10 years ago, a way to easily manage multiple takes for multi-tracked recordings. Currently it's a bit awkward. I'd like to be able to specify a take view by take number and filter the displayed tracks accordingly, or see it all flat if need be.
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 06:28:50
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Well to answer! X1d was a different install wasn't it?
Some people could not upgrade to X1d so easily. Hopefully, with Sonar's new module installation will also change!
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 10:40:43
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Thanks Noel for your response. Glad that's it fixed in X2... that being said, WHEN is it going to be fixed in X1? I will NOT upgrade, unless there is a reasonably sufficient update to X1 to take care of some of the ridiculous problems X1 has. I'm assuming based on what I was told by customer support, that there WILL be an update to X1 BEfORE X2. I was told to 'Stay tuned, An update is in the works', of course this was back in March when all hell broke loose after the X1d update. I'll be happy to upgrade to X2, but I need a sign of honesty and integrity. Please take care of your X1 customers, by following through with a (VERY NEEDED substantial update. You'll likely gain back the trust that has been lost. And you'll assure the highest percentage of upgrades to X2. Please support the Professionals that are supporting you and your families! All of the troubles cost either Me valuable time or my clients $$$ if I so choose to pass the cost of the extra time it takes to do everything in X1EXP D to their studio bill, knowing that the program is to blame.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 10:50:47
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Dappa1
Well to answer! X1d was a different install wasn't it?
Some people could not upgrade to X1d so easily. Hopefully, with Sonar's new module installation will also change!
Well, no it wasn't. Step 1 - take disc out of plastic box Step 2 - put disc in tray Step 3 - follow instructions Exactly the same for at least the previous 5 versions
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 11:09:49
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No Bristol wasn't you around for the melee of installing the upgrade called X1D lol or should i say downloading it!
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xabiton
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 12:00:34
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Dappa1
Well to answer! X1d was a different install wasn't it?
Some people could not upgrade to X1d so easily. Hopefully, with Sonar's new module installation will also change!
upgrades and updates are different things. x1d is an update it installs right on top of your current version of sonar you can't even install X1d on your system unless X1c is installed.
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 12:02:12
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Dappa1
No Bristol wasn't you around for the melee of installing the upgrade called X1D lol or should i say downloading it!
wait people had trouble with the instructions? I got it done on day one with no problems or assistance maybe its because i read the instructions on the download page
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 12:15:55
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Dappa1
No Bristol wasn't you around for the melee of installing the upgrade called X1D lol or should i say downloading it!
I can't recall having an issue with X1d - whatever it was, if I did, it was down to pilot error! 
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 12:17:06
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Dappa1
No Bristol wasn't you around for the melee of installing the upgrade called X1D lol or should i say downloading it!
wait people had trouble with the instructions? I got it done on day one with no problems or assistance maybe its because i read the instructions on the download page
Yeah I read it all through twice, printed it out and read it again before I installed it. Hicks: "It's the only way to be sure"
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 12:18:39
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 What's this up in the toolbar? Is this a new snap thingy?
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 12:24:13
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The icon on the left sort of looks like a Celtic design, and the one on the right seems to be a mountain with a flag on it. Perhaps X2 is all set to conquer Ireland?
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 12:39:28
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stevec
The icon on the left sort of looks like a Celtic design, and the one on the right seems to be a mountain with a flag on it. Perhaps X2 is all set to conquer Ireland?
or half of it anyway. 
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 13:17:39
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 13:26:23
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SSL, Neve and API style emulations. If the emulation is good... that'll do it for me. 
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 13:57:10
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hen I was auditioning the industry standard, Pro Tools 10, I found that a lot of what used to be accessible in S8.5 was a mouse click or two away. FWIW, I have ProTools on my DAW... but I'm not crazy about the UI and work-flow. Exactly for the reasons you state here...
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 14:00:28
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I see they still haven't increased the widget size to prevent label munging: FWIW, I believe Brandon mentioned that the GUI pictured was not the final product. This may or may not be addressed... but you might want to wait for release pics.
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 14:03:07
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I was kinda looking forward to a mastering suite, ie., Studio One project page. It updates your master if you make changes to your mix. I love that feature. That's a very unique (somewhat revolutionary) feature in Studio One. Very cool/useful...
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 14:06:23
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Bet they still haven't added "time of selected area" for all us commercial broadcast guys yet. I find myself using that feature constantly when editing video in Vegas Pro.
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 14:13:24
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How do you guys know that you dont need to uninstall or delete X1? How close are you guys to telepathy or the insiders at cakewalk? Surpises me how much knowledge of a new product you have got. Wouldn't it be better to wait and see or to ask questions to get information first. Based on the past 16+ software releases, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the new version will install side-by-side with Sonar 8.5 and/or X1. To do otherwise would be a major disservice to transitioning end-users. CPA 4 CPA 5 CPA 6 CPA 7 CPA 8 CPA 9 Sonar Sonar 2 Sonar 3 Sonar 4 Sonar 5 Sonar 6 Sonar 7 Sonar 8 Sonar 8.5 Sonar X1
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Re:Sonar X2 !!!!!
2012/08/07 14:13:58
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All of us in the voiceover business have been asking for this for years. But just the sound of crickets mostly, in return. Although my ol pal Colonel Ryan did say he thought it was a good idea once;-)
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