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2013/12/29 19:42:53 (permalink)

Sonar X3 Bus Question

Sorry for what may seem like a dummy question but- what is bus?  What are bus assignments?
 
Is it a form of subgrouping?  For example, would you send drums, bass, and rhythm guitar into one bus so you could control the entire rhythm section in one feel swoop, and then send that bus out to the master?  If that isn't it then what is it?
 
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 20:00:37 (permalink)
So I did a quick google for a youtube video, try this:
http://youtu.be/7LS4SZI0TOs
 
You might want to check out tutorials on Groove3 or other online documentation as well...
http://forum.cakewalk.com/New-To-X3-Is-the-SONAR-X2-Power-Guidebook-a-good-starting-place-m2958873.aspx
 

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 20:59:14 (permalink)
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Sorry for what may seem like a dummy question but- what is bus?  What are bus assignments?
 
Is it a form of subgrouping?  For example, would you send drums, bass, and rhythm guitar into one bus so you could control the entire rhythm section in one feel swoop, and then send that bus out to the master?  If that isn't it then what is it?
 
Thanks!




"subgroup" would not be an inaccurate way to describe a bus.  The only reason I hesitate to give a strong yes is because  some software uses the term "subgroup" in a different way.  In simple terms a bus is a mixing path.  It can be used in the way you describe or broken down even further.  One could route all the individual parts of drum kit into a bus. You could go beyond that and route layered kicks into a kick bus and then route that bus into a drums bus.  A bus can also be used to house effects.  Instead of applying reverb directly to each track.  One can apply a reverb to a bus and have various tracks send to that bus. Probably easier to show in action:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7XErke7g4s
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 21:00:03 (permalink)
Ooops. just realized Alex posted a vid
 
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 21:10:32 (permalink)
I wonder why it's called "bus" (nothing to do with the vehicle, I hope). And I wonder why some posters mistakenly spell it "buss."

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 21:14:50 (permalink)
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Ooops. just realized Alex posted a vid

 
Typical, you wait for hours for nothing, then all of a sudden 3 buses turn up all at once 

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 21:17:01 (permalink)
I like it. 

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 21:32:21 (permalink)
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I wonder why it's called "bus" (nothing to do with the vehicle, I hope). And I wonder why some posters mistakenly spell it "buss."


because it pops up now and then in manuals, books, etc.  I used to wonder if it was a British thing.  I have seen it pop up on educational sites and documents like here:
 
http://artsites.ucsc.edu/...ent/mixers/mixers.html
 
Even on commercial sites:
 
http://www.bhphotovideo.c...6_36_Input_4_Buss.html
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 21:38:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby joel77 2013/12/30 12:21:17
Origin of the term "bus".  It appears to be a shortened version of the term omnibus and evolved from there : http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/omnibus.htm
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 21:42:19 (permalink)
Being from the UK we say BUS.
I think it's just people typo'ing when they say BUSS.
 
Something is going on a bit like the pronunciation of the word "Linux":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfHm6R5le0
 

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 21:51:48 (permalink)
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Origin of the term "bus".  It appears to be a shortened version of the term omnibus and evolved from there : http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/omnibus.htm


 
Thanks. That's very informative. I din't know.



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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 21:56:49 (permalink)
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Being from the UK we say BUS.
I think it's just people typo'ing when they say BUSS.
 
Something is going on a bit like the pronunciation of the word "Linux":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfHm6R5le0
 




I thought it was just a typo too, especially since I have made that typo, but I have simply seen a number of people do it intentionally and swear it is the correct way.
 
I find most manufacturers use "bus" but every now and then I run across one that uses "buss" like this example from the Slate Digital site.  The spelling is also in their manual:
 

 
http://www.slatedigital.c...ucts/vcc_pro_big_c.jpg
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 22:06:02 (permalink)
Well... nobody knows...
 
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/15867-buss-bus-where-you-learned.html
 
People are blaming the British (not true!).
"Buss" is actually a kiss...
 
I still prefer what was suggested, seabass.

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 22:26:36 (permalink)
I think blaming the British is more of a guess based on that where US and Uk spellings differ, the UK version ssems to be more likely to have more letters.  We just assume the lazy version is the American ;)
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 22:32:29 (permalink)
Well I note that the British are actually blaming the British in that thread, which is bl**dy typical! ;).

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 22:37:56 (permalink)
Whatever the origin, it seems to be common enough that I would not think less of a person for using it.
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 22:41:35 (permalink)

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/29 22:48:51 (permalink)
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/30 07:05:57 (permalink)
Could we get back to how it is used?  I could care less about the history of the word.  How do people use the function?  Thanks for the vids- I will check them out later.
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/30 07:08:22 (permalink)
You have your answers anyway... #2 and #3. The rest is down to you...
Now to catch that bus...
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/30 10:11:53 (permalink)
The videos were really helpful- Thanks!  So it is basically just a way of grouping and using it more efficiently.  Good to know!
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/30 12:34:27 (permalink)
Len,
 
Depending on the situation, I've used as few as 4 and as many as 24 buses. The more tracks a song has, the more likely I am to use more buses. 
 
Sometimes all the drums will go into a Drum Bus. Other times, with more than one track, the kick tracks will go to a Kick bus, which will then go to the Drum bus, which then goes to an Instrument bus, which then goes to a Master Sub bus, which then is split into a Low bus and a High+Mid bus (got this from one of Craig Anderton's videos. Works AWESOME BTW. Thanks, Craig!!!), which then goes to the Master bus.
 
I also use buses for FXs.
 
....... or I might just send them all to the Master bus!!  LOL
 
I do like mixing with buses though.

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/30 18:01:41 (permalink)
I use buss to differentiate it from something one would take to go some place (a city bus). The first time I came across the term it had the two s's and was describing a personal computer before IBM and Apple jumped into the fray. It was a standard for building small computers. There was no motherboard just a buss that could take cards with various components like the CPU and input and output systems. 
 
I do not think it is a misspelling or a typo. However, I could be very wrong. None the less, I will continue to use the double s spelling.   
 
Now to answer the OPs question.  You have it correctly understood. A buss is a sub group that can be used for grouping like instruments for easy adjustments or for use as auxiliaries with sends and returns. Really, because the busing in Sonar is very flexible it can be used pretty much any way you may wish to.  
 
I like to have a drum buss at the bare minimum.  Then I might use an instrument buss too. I may add a vocal buss or solo buss. And so on. All those will go to the master buss and it will go to the main outs. 
 
 

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2013/12/30 18:20:55 (permalink)
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I wonder why it's called "bus" (nothing to do with the vehicle, I hope). And I wonder why some posters mistakenly spell it "buss."

Actually, I remember it being spelled with two esses (buss) when I first saw the word written back in 1979. It's the single ess version that's looks wrong to me.
I'm sure it was originally an electrical term spelled 'buss,' but I can't prove it. All references now available seem to accept both spellings.

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2014/01/02 02:29:42 (permalink)
I'm with Ron. I was always told (by whom I can't remember) that "buss" is the correct spelling for audio busses. I believe it originates from electronics and thus mixing desks and like many terms continues in the digital age.
 
I always thought that it was just one of those Brit/US spelling differentials.
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2014/01/02 03:13:16 (permalink)
I get it. Buses are designed to carry many passengers, so if you think of a bus as carrying many tracks you are on the right road. (see what I did there)!!

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2014/01/02 03:19:54 (permalink)
I typically have the following busses:
 
Master
 
Reverb
 
Delay
 
OH
 
Toms
 
Drums (though certain drums havetheir own busses as indicated above, I sum them into another dedicated buss before sending to Master Buss)
 
Drum side chain buss (this will often be heavy compression to mix in with the other drum signal)
 
Acoustics
 
Backups (gives you control over the mix of the background vocals so that you only have to deal with one track).
 
LV (why not just put all the FX and sends on the LV track instead of a buss? Because often there are 5 takes, so that would mean using the same set of FX on all the 5 takes of the lead vocal-thus 5 compressors, eq's, de-essers, etc.
THis may beg the question--why don't you just make one composite track of all the takes? Well, I do that, but even when choosing takes I like to have the processing power availability because you get a good idea what the final is going to sound like. Often a take that sounds weak may be the best take if empowered with a bit of processing.)
 
And if it is a larger project, I will often have bounced down some of my big synth tracks such as Omnisphere, Storm Drum, etc. and group the high synths, low synths, into different busses.
 
 
 

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2014/01/02 08:31:01 (permalink)
It may have come from the word 'Busbar', which is an electronics/computing term.
 
busbar (ˈbʌzˌbɑː)

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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2014/01/02 08:53:35 (permalink)
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I wonder why it's called "bus" (nothing to do with the vehicle, I hope). And I wonder why some posters mistakenly spell it "buss."


I like to think of it as a vehicle for audio going from one place to another inside of your DAW 
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Re: Sonar X3 Bus Question 2014/01/02 08:58:21 (permalink)
I always thought it was 'bus'. I was under the impression that 'Buss' was a branding name used by Bussmann, a leading manufacturer of Bus bars and Fuses that are sold under the terms "Buss bars" and "Buss Fuses". A bus bar is used to branch off electrical power and a bus fuse was used to provide overload protection. Now a days we use busses and circuit breakers instead of fuses so the usage has been dying out. Though older buildings whos electricals haven't been updated still use either the screw in types, or the snap in barrels.

In audio its the same. The output of several channels were physically attached to a bus bar. Then another channels input was also attached to tap the summed signal.

That channel was the bus channel, and I believe Bussmann's "buss bars" were used, you ended up with the odd spelling.

Sort of the way we call self adhesive bandages "band-aids" even though it is a name of a brand, not a type of product.

I may be a bit off but this is what I sorta remember. :)
post edited by js516 - 2014/01/02 09:16:50

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