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Sonar X3 was VERY time consuming trying to make it work for me...But hey, I made it happen
"Instead of going down the list of things that need to be fixed I'd much rather save just save your money. If you have to trouble shoot every little thing. It's DEFENATLY not worth the investment." I won't retract my statement from earlier. But I will say if you know how to work pass some of the problems it may give you, then you have a great DAW. Not too much different then X2. But when you're a loyal customer the upgrades you do get are very much worth more then $150
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2013/11/07 09:47:09
Anything in particular you need help with?
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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What a title for a thread. Screams "I need help!"
Bless you FBB.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 09:46:44
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Try turning off the 64 bit audio engine. Report back.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 09:48:06
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This is quite literally the first post I have seen outright saying that X3 isn't any good. I've seen tons of similar posts about X1 and X2 but never X3. So everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) else is wrong? If you are going to urge people against buying it at least explain why so they can make an informed decision. Seriously I personally am paying close attention to all the issues posted so I can know what to expect. So far they all seem rather minor and the bulk of them related to the C patch which should be corrected soon enough at the pace the Bakers are going these days. This isn't an attack on you or your opinion and lord knows I've posted some not so positive stuff in the past but let's get some facts up in here. Please.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 09:51:51
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Frustration is the mother of all evil. Go see if Starbucks is open. You'll feel beter.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 09:52:47
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I can't agree with the OP even slightly. I really think X3 is a great DAW.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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Beepster This is quite literally the first post I have seen outright saying that X3 isn't any good. I've seen tons of similar posts about X1 and X2 but never X3. So everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) else is wrong? If you are going to urge people against buying it at least explain why so they can make an informed decision. Seriously I personally am paying close attention to all the issues posted so I can know what to expect. So far they all seem rather minor and the bulk of them related to the C patch which should be corrected soon enough at the pace the Bakers are going these days. This isn't an attack on you or your opinion and lord knows I've posted some not so positive stuff in the past but let's get some facts up in here. Please.
I agree. Mattie, you are obviously frustrated. If everything is going south on you there may be a harware problem or something else that someone like Karl or phone support can help you figure out. What sort of computer and interface are you using? You are awaure that it wont run on XP right? Personally I think it is a great value and worth more than the price. I am amazed at all the things that Sonar X3 is capable of, truly. I would add that learning to use a DAW is possibly the most frustrating thing I have ever done but X3 with a decent computer is a WHOLE lot less frustrating than trying to get things to work with some of the earlier versions like Sonar 4 or 5 back when the hardware required to make it run smooth was out of my reach financially. Windows 7 64bit has been wonderful. Affordable memory and interfaces, heck an affordable computer... and great software like X3 have really changed things in a good way for me. I certianly understand how frustratng it can be though. You try and by the time you get something figured out, something else pops up and by this time all creative energy has been replaced by frustration... lay it aside for a bit, come back only to have forgotten what you learned before. However, it shouldn't be this hard now.. once you get help and get past whatever is giving you trouble. Recording yourself has never been as easy as you think it will be. PEople make short Youtube videos of this and that, doing all kinds of things... it always looks easy. Heck, on TV they completely remodel a house in less than an hour and don't even get dirty. Hang in there, post your system specs, your interface, and ask a specific question... what is it that is not working for you (not "everything") just start somewhere and there are a LOT of people here who will help you. Karl is one of the best! J J
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 10:04:50
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I'm TIRED!!!! of asking for help from Cakewalk community. In the old days, you bought the software, you installed it, you got to work. I haven't been able to do that since Sonar 7. First off. ALL of my instruments are GONE!!! Everything!!! (Solution go into the plug in manager?) NO!! Not at all. It freeze when I do that. Stops responding. Also, Sonar continuously searches for new plug in's. After it's finished. It starts up again. So, I decided to delete it and keep using Sonar X2...NOPE!!! For some reason I can't use many of my instruments on X2 now. This list keep's going on and on. Like I said, if I have to trouble shoot every little thing it SURLLY wasn't worth the investment. $150 down the drain. I'm SO GLAD I wasn't a first time buyer. I probably will be a last time buyer.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 10:07:13
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Eh? Presumably you have had a different account then? You can't have got fed up asking for help in 17 posts surely? Two of which are in this thread.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 10:10:10
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I'm sure if you are having that much trouble there must be something going on with your system. Have you tried a complete uninstall and reinstall? By complete uninstall I mean deleting the necessary keys in the registry? Some system specs will help as well although given the sound of your problems that isn't going to make much difference, unless you are running XP as an OS of course. X3 won't run on that as pointed out already.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby Mattie.B 2013/11/07 13:20:36
Mattie.B Instead of going down the list of things that need to be fixed I'd much rather save just save your money. If you have to trouble shoot every little thing. It's DEFENATLY not worth the investment.
I see you live in the US. Can you contact support to see if we can iron this out. You aren't even giving us a chance. There could be many issues unrelated to SONAR that are causing you to be frustrated.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 10:12:41
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 10:13:11
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Posted too soon. You have Andrew on the case. He'll hook you up.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 10:15:52
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Mattie.B I'm TIRED!!!! of asking for help from Cakewalk community. In the old days, you bought the software, you installed it, you got to work. I haven't been able to do that since Sonar 7. First off. ALL of my instruments are GONE!!! Everything!!! (Solution go into the plug in manager?) NO!! Not at all. It freeze when I do that. Stops responding. Also, Sonar continuously searches for new plug in's. After it's finished. It starts up again. So, I decided to delete it and keep using Sonar X2...NOPE!!! For some reason I can't use many of my instruments on X2 now. This list keep's going on and on. Like I said, if I have to trouble shoot every little thing it SURLLY wasn't worth the investment. $150 down the drain. I'm SO GLAD I wasn't a first time buyer. I probably will be a last time buyer.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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Mattie.B Toshiba Satellite P745 Windows 7 (64 bit) M-audio fast track pro interface. 6 Gigs of Ram.
Hi Mattie- Again sorry you are having issues. Can we have you contact our phone support. Want to make this right for you. Over the forum might make it difficult to trouble shoot efficiently.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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Mattie.B Toshiba Satellite P745 Windows 7 (64 bit) M-audio fast track pro interface. 6 Gigs of Ram.
Hi Mattie- We are looking into your case history and can't find your records. Can you PM me your email so we can check it out? Or email me at arossa AT Cakewalk dot com.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2013/11/07 11:09:33
Titles like this should be saved for cases in which you've genuinely been conned, lied to, or otherwise ripped off. Quite clearly you're having teething problems which can easily be resolved with a little effort. And when it's all fixed, you're going to look back at that title and feel embarrassed.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 10:47:59
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sounds like a hardware/config error. I have issues with X3, but it is certainly not the worst DAW purchase I made. X2 is alone reserved for that honor.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 10:55:01
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Mattie.B Instead of going down the list of things that need to be fixed I'd much rather save just save your money. If you have to trouble shoot every little thing. It's DEFENATLY not worth the investment.
Sonar X 3 is awesome.The baker´s fixed many things that were insulted by user´s. Just read some threads here in the forum. The workflow is for me the best of all daw´s. If this enhancements are nothing for you at least count the bucks you spend for 1.additive drums ( full version)! 2.melodyne editor 3.bifilter 2 4. comping is invaluable 5. aso. And then compare with the upgrade price.............. I guess, sorry man, nobody can help you .
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 10:59:58
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Pragi Sonar X 3 is awesome.The baker´s fixed many things that were insulted by user´s.
I love that.  OP should have your avatar.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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Mattie.B I'm TIRED!!!! of asking for help from Cakewalk community.
I can see how writing those 18 posts would wear a man down, yeah.
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 11:29:49
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@Mattieb - tech support opens at 1:00 est. If you also post your cell phone in an email to Andrew, they might actually call you sooner than that. Cakewalk tech supp has been VERY active since the X3 launch, and as indicated in this thread, they really are interested in getting you all squared away. (As are us in the forum). Bob Bone
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby Mattie.B 2013/11/07 13:08:54
@Mattie.B There are likely multiple issues to sort through, from what you reported. 1. Your plugin issues may stem from one or more older plugins that may not run properly in X3. Once the X2 and X3 software gets stabilized, without adding your plugins just yet, we can collectively look at which plugins it all falls apart on, and get you fixed back up. 2. The plugin manager from X3 replaces the one from X2, I think (not sure, but think so). It may be that you need to do COMPLETE removals of both X2 and X3, including registry keys and hidden folders, followed by installing X2 again to get it back working for you. 3. Make sure your Windows maintenance is up to current levels, as some X3 routines require certain minimum levels for redistributable routines and such. 4. Independently of the other issues, I recommend you run both DPC Latency Check and LatencyMon to make sure one or more background service or device driver is not interfering with audio streaming on your laptop. WiFi is one that can cause issues. So, hang in there, lots of potential help here, and once you do get stabilized, you should be fine, as there are lots of folks running X3 successfully at the moment. (I do not know if the X3c reported issues have been resolved yet, I am running X2b with no issues). Bob Bone
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
2013/11/07 12:01:50
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Hi Mattie, I understand being frustrated when a product seems to have problems, but... If I look around and see the vast majority of other users of that product are quite happy with it, my first response would most definitely NOT be to start blaming the product. Perhaps.. just perhaps.. the product is okay and something else is the problem. fd
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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I work with plants every day in my gardening business... and the OP smells like one... As usual, several wonderful forum members have contributed much more time to trying to help this yokel out than the dweeb spent describing the issues/problems... I think the burning guitar says it all... flamer
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Re: Sonar X3 is the BIGGEST waste of money I have ever spent on Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby Mattie.B 2013/11/07 13:15:20
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☄ Helpfulby CakeAlexS 2013/11/08 00:44:47
robert_e_bone @Mattie.B There are likely multiple issues to sort through, from what you reported. 1. Your plugin issues may stem from one or more older plugins that may not run properly in X3. Once the X2 and X3 software gets stabilized, without adding your plugins just yet, we can collectively look at which plugins it all falls apart on, and get you fixed back up.
So I deleted EVERYTHING, old versions of Sonar, 3ed party plugins, all that. Then reinstalled X3. That seemed to help make the plug in manager work properly. Then I just had the plug search from a different folder. That pretty much worked. Only a few more bugs to work out now but at least it's functional.
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