batsbrew
i use a daw............. any daw.....
as a glorified tape machine.

Any DAW should work for you then. So, why are you reading all these threads?

Jeff Evans
Thanks tenfoot for your response.  Yes instrument definitions come up quite often.  For me personally I don't use them or care for them.  I personally find using the same sounds in the same locations as boring and not very smart. (the great Edgar Froese from Tangerine Dream also said the same.)  In all my hardware synths I rarely use the same sounds anyway.  I have got many thousands of sounds for synths like the Roland JD800, not just the standard 64 that are in there.  So its best to audition them in my opinion and find the sounds one is after.  Or edit them, or better still make new sounds for every project that you do.  Even just finding a factory preset, maybe doing an edit on it and just using it as is.  Most synths in fact will retain the sound and edit even after switch off and back on again the next day.  Instrument definitions cannot cope with that.

Again Jeff, this comment demonstrates a very basic and unimaginative understanding of what midi can be used to control. Recalling patches is a very basic function of midi. Also, no one uses the same sounds over and over again (and is a peffect example of a straw man logical falacy). I imagine, however, that most producers who really know their hardware have sounds in mind that would make a good starting point or production would be an extraordinarily slow process. Perhaps you have very patient clients:)
 

Jeff Evans
 
Studio One can still send bank and program changes if you want to do sound switching in the middle of the music. Or though these days it is not so required.  One should also be converting midi to audio anyway at some point too.
 

 
Again, switching sounds is a very basic function. Try switching banks and scenes on a DMX controller at the rate of 16 changes per bar for a chase scene with 16 x aftertouch arcs to control each axis on 32 moving head lights, then tell me again how capable studio ones midi is:)
 
Agreed, midi should certainly be converted to Audio at some point. Again, very basic stuff.
 

Jeff Evans
 
Tha Macro abilities of Studio One are also way better than the CAL scripts in Sonar.  They are way too hard in my opinion.  Creating macros in Studio One is a breeze.  That is a really powerful feature of Studio One.  There are tons of them already done as well you can freely download from the Presonus exchange.  Another thing that is rather unique to Studio One. 

Comparing Macros in Studio One (simple and limited strings of existing commands) of to CAL programming in Sonar tells me that you have little experience with CAL. 
 
I really appreciate that you put a lot of time into helping people starting out with Studio one. Evangelical effusive praise in the absence of understanding the issue however doesn't serve anyone. Nor does dismissing a function that S1 doesnt have because ' you don't care for it', when really, your description of it merely demonstrates that you dont understand the depth of its uses.
 
 
Consider for one second that there are people in the world who use midi to a much deeper level than you do to control devices you have no familiarity with. Repeatedly saying complex midi editing is possible in  S1 then using simplistic examples is misleading, even if well intentioned and not willfully ignorant.
 
Thanks for the tips on the videos. I will certainly check them out!
 
 
 
 
 
 

To be clear, I certainly do not want to put anyone off Studio One. It is truly excellent, and its midi functionality will be just fine for most users. These limitations will only be an issue for a small base of users with specific midi needs.

Jeff Evans
Midi was deigned for music and best used so. To say that it lacks the midi features required to switch a complex lighting situations rather absurd.

 
No, it is just beyond your understanding. Both Sonar and Cubase have features that make the process pretty straightforward. To blindly defend a program that does not is what's absurd. Perhaps you might want to check your own blinkers. 
 
Your tone has me more and more convinced you may well be a teacher, not quite adept at convercing with other professionals who disagree with you:)

All absolutely true Matron. There is certainly no future in clinging to a sinking ship, however slowly it goes down:)

Good to know Jeff:) As I have said many times, I really like Studio One. There are many other programs, Sonar included, to which I can switch if I need to do more complex midi editing. It is just good practice when making reccomendations to acnowledge any programs strengths and weakness, no matter how much it suts our own purposes, rather than dismiss those who's needs may be more involved, lest they be dissapointed.
 
As we have learned from Sonar, prosletising what we are familiar with in the face of evidence to the contrary doesn't help anything evolve,  and rarely ends well. Given the rapid advancement of S1, I am sure Presonus are well aware of its limitations and will have exciting developments planned for its future.

Jeff Evans
There does not seem to be a reason why you fellas cannot keep using Sonar anyway.  Unless there is something I am not privy to such 
I cannot quite remember either where it is but I will look for it.  Someone has created an add on script that extends midi functionality a lot.  It is not a standard thing but I have heard it is reliable and fully stable too.  It contains many things people have been wanting for a long time.  It free too from memory.

 
I have been chasing Studio One X midi scripts for a while, but am yet to find a version that will download and install. I would love to check it out!
 

I think Studio One X is no longer. I just did some searching. You can still get to a link that has a lot of downloads but right now there is not a lot of info as to what they are etc.. Or how to install. Windows only too.

Jeff Evans
I think Studio One X is no longer. I just did some searching. You can still get to a link that has a lot of downloads but right now there is not a lot of info as to what they are etc.. Or how to install. Windows only too.

Thanks Jeff. I had a play with a few downloads on my windows machine but couldn't work it out.

Jeff Evans
Midi was deigned for music and best used so (...)

Studio One (and many other DAW's) can certainly achieve a very professional result and that is really all that counts.

Absolutely agree on achieving professional results in Studio One as well as in Sonar, Cubase, Reaper or any other DAW. If it's only about creating music I would be able to have it done even on my mobile phone or an old tape recorder.

But the next day I can get a quick job, like clearing a bunch of live MIDI recorded piano tracks and make them ready for printing as sheet music. That would involve some quick cleaning from ghost notes, using CAL scripts to delete doubled notes or do some advanced quantizing or to tie notes (make legato). Make a tempo map. Sometimes work on left and right hand performance - separate them into two tracks, then display them in one piano roll in different colors to see both hands at once and be able to make few arbitrary edits on notes/chords.

The next day I may need to work on vocal tracks and may want to use comping or vocalsync. Or replace a kick drum of poorly made multitrack drum recording. Correct timing issues within band members i.e. isolate drummer's feel and paste it onto bassman track.

Then I may need to adapt a synth performance full of CC data to a different synth with different MIDI mapping. Or even shape/smoothout the knobs moves of the player. When working in arrange window I rarely have clips aligned to the grid, when I want to move them I use the precious Snap By to keep their offset. Groove-looping comes here handy too.

Then I want to mix something and I want to have few of my trusted 32bit plugins in 64bit DAW at the hand. Of course at some point I may need to freeze some tracks. When my client asks for preview I want to quickly select a portion of a mix and export it to mp3 or flac.

Those are just some everyday basics for me... I mean DAW is a DAW, one day it's working for you the other day for your client. I would prefer to do it all in one DAW. I was doing fine in Sonar. I will keep it using but if there comes the time to move on I would like to know where is my next step.

I did some detective work and it seems Studio One X is off the map now.  It was all happening a while back and people were downloading and installing but now it seems to have disappeared. Maybe Presonus was not too happy about it, not sure. Hopefully they took some of the ideas and have implemented them. 

Hi chris.r,
just send you the BIG answer list for Cubase 9.5 Pro to your questions.
Hope it helps you :)

Jeff Evans
I cannot quite remember either where it is but I will look for it.  Someone has created an add on script that extends midi functionality a lot.  It is not a standard thing but I have heard it is reliable and fully stable too.  It contains many things people have been wanting for a long time.  It free too from memory.

As per this thread, the "X" extensions have expired and have been abandoned (for public use).
I don't quite get the developer's attitude, but it's his IP.
https://vi-control.net/community/threads/studio-one-x.61910/
 

Jim Roseberry
 
As per this thread, the "X" extensions have expired and have been abandoned (for public use).
I don't quite get the developer's attitude, but it's his IP.
https://vi-control.net/community/threads/studio-one-x.61910/
 

 
Thanks Jim. Wow - that is odd. Dev spits dummy and demands more love! He should run for president:)