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Sonar for Mac OSX
Does someone knows if some day the Mac Users will have the honor to use this piece of software?
I was a user of cakewalk for several years, but OSX, Logic and pro tools take me to the dark side, I love Sonar but I hate Windows, if there any chance??
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RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2005/09/16 23:01:08
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If you have Logic and Pro Tools why would you use Sonar?
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RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2005/09/16 23:33:51
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ORIGINAL: DonM
If you have Logic and Pro Tools why would you use Sonar?
It is unfortunate that you can't delete that post.
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RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2005/09/17 00:00:07
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☄ Helpfulby kevinwal 2015/10/28 17:53:26
I love Sonar but I hate Windows Get over your religious convictions. Once I'm working in Sonar, Windows barely comes into play. On my computer Windows is called the "Sonar Operating System".
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RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2005/09/17 08:35:13
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Sid:
Sorry you missunderstood my post - I have Pro-Tools and currently don't have a Logic workstation. I was responding to what seemed to be a troll like sentence.
I completed several commercially released CD's in Sonar last year and am currently working on three. I also produced twelve broadcasts for NPR in Sonar last year. It's possible you've not encounted some of my posts.
I kind of see my "why would you use Sonar" comment as if it were coming from Ron K.
I'm not too adept at the smiley icon thing and therefore my irony was probably lost.
BTW there are times were I must use Pro-Tools or Samplitude for due to a Client's needs and inter-studio portability. I'm happier that I can now run M-Powered Pro-Tools on XP which is why my Logic workstation is no longer in operation. I just haven't gotten many calls for Logic oriented projects in a while.
Sonar is what I reach for for every project initially, and each year I teach several hundred students to use Sonar in my Sound Design class at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh.
Too bad you can't delete your post?
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RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2005/09/17 08:56:16
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ORIGINAL: jyoung
I love Sonar but I hate Windows
Get over your religious convictions. Once I'm working in Sonar, Windows barely comes into play. On my computer Windows is called the "Sonar Operating System".
Great point. Almost all the plugins are useable on both platforms and you probably shouldn't run pro audio apps on a general use computer anyway, so why not get a music only Windows PC?
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RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2005/09/22 12:30:42
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☄ Helpfulby Svein Egil 2016/03/01 13:59:27
Hey nobody get my point, I don't want you to get mad about what system you are using to make your music, I only want to know is somebody here (SONAR EXPERTS) know something about Sonar for Mac OSX.
Thanks for your help and remember, the real music it is in your heads, no in your computers, these are only tools.
BC
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RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2005/09/22 13:40:32
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This has been done, redone, and overdone!!!!!!
Most think that there is no compelling reason for Cake to go to the Mac side.
Brian
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RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2005/09/22 13:46:26
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ORIGINAL: bcmusik
Hey nobody get my point, I don't want you to get mad about what system you are using to make your music, I only want to know is somebody here (SONAR EXPERTS) know something about Sonar for Mac OSX.
Thanks for your help and remember, the real music it is in your heads, no in your computers, these are only tools.
BC
Erm, no, Sonar experts don't know anything about Sonar for OSX, because there is no such thing. But soon, Macs will be capable of running Windows, so if you wanted to I suppose you could run Sonar on a Mac then. There really is no need for this "I want to move to MacOSX" thing, both platforms are equally adept at handling audio, and indeed some of the major players (SADiE, and Pyramix come to mind) only run on Windows, likewise, as you well know, there are several top-flight software solutions that only run on Mac.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 04:33:26
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Hola, llevo años en windows, y despues de alguna conversación con personas que trabajan y viven de esto, Mac, es mas estable, en su propio conjunto, y esto es de valorar, Sonar es practico para mi, y hablar o comparar otras Daws es algo normal en el ser humano....pero hoy por hoy creo que SONAR debería de dejar decidir al cliente con quien trabajar, seguro que aumentaría la estima en la mayoría de personas hacia sonar. No culpo a Sonar, sobre inestabilidades del sistema, pero el poder elegir el sistema operativo es ser mas libre.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 05:07:32
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☄ Helpfulby KIKO CUETO 2015/03/04 03:55:01
ooblecaboodle
ORIGINAL: bcmusik
Hey nobody get my point, I don't want you to get mad about what system you are using to make your music, I only want to know is somebody here (SONAR EXPERTS) know something about Sonar for Mac OSX.
Thanks for your help and remember, the real music it is in your heads, no in your computers, these are only tools.
BC
Erm, no, Sonar experts don't know anything about Sonar for OSX, because there is no such thing.
But soon, Macs will be capable of running Windows, so if you wanted to I suppose you could run Sonar on a Mac then.
There really is no need for this "I want to move to MacOSX" thing, both platforms are equally adept at handling audio, and indeed some of the major players (SADiE, and Pyramix come to mind) only run on Windows, likewise, as you well know, there are several top-flight software solutions that only run on Mac.
Kinda playing Devil's Advocate here, but OSX is actually significantly better at handling audio and midi. It doesn't always come into play, but; 1. CoreAudio supports low latency performance at the native level. Kinda like WDM on Windows which never really took off. 2. CoreAudio is sample accurate at the OS level. 3. Aggregate devices. Nuff said. 4. Unlimited midi devices and better USB port handling.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 05:30:55
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This thread is initially from 2005
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 06:08:34
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mudgel
This thread is initially from 2005
and it seems a neverending story. 
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 06:29:19
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I'm not a Mac person, but following the forum I saw someone (I think it was Craig) mentioning a Mac with bootcamp supposedly being the "better windows laptop" ...
Is there any more info I could read about (with hands-on experience)?? Just asking out of curiosity ... to learn and get a glimpse of the greener grass on the other side ;-)
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 08:29:17
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FreeFlyBertl
I'm not a Mac person, but following the forum I saw someone (I think it was Craig) mentioning a Mac with bootcamp supposedly being the "better windows laptop" ...
Is there any more info I could read about (with hands-on experience)?? Just asking out of curiosity ... to learn and get a glimpse of the greener grass on the other side ;-)
The ONLY reason Macs are apparently more stable than Windows PCs is because Apple dictates what hardware is inside a Mac, therefore when they write the OS they know exactly what to expect. In reality, since the introduction of Intel architecture in Macs, there is no difference between any PC or laptop other than the brand of OS being run on it. A Mac running Windows though bootcamp is no different to any other windows machine. Noel and the other Bakers have stated repeatedly that they have no plans to port Sonar to an Apple OS in the near or distant future.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 09:38:15
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Sid:
Sorry you missunderstood my post - I have Pro-Tools and currently don't have a Logic workstation. I was responding to what seemed to be a troll like sentence.
I completed several commercially released CD's in Sonar last year and am currently working on three. I also produced twelve broadcasts for NPR in Sonar last year. It's possible you've not encounted some of my posts.
I kind of see my "why would you use Sonar" comment as if it were coming from Ron K.
I'm not too adept at the smiley icon thing and therefore my irony was probably lost.
BTW there are times were I must use Pro-Tools or Samplitude for due to a Client's needs and inter-studio portability. I'm happier that I can now run M-Powered Pro-Tools on XP which is why my Logic workstation is no longer in operation. I just haven't gotten many calls for Logic oriented projects in a while.
Sonar is what I reach for for every project initially, and each year I teach several hundred students to use Sonar in my Sound Design class at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh.
Too bad you can't delete your post?
-D
Don't feel bad, I got the joke. I have Logic on my Mac. I really use it only for testing, but the feature set is quite SONAR-like in some respects and if I had to use it, I could. I would certainly rather use Logic than Pro Tools. I do know quite a few people who use SONAR with Boot Camp and are very happy with the combination. Once you load SONAR, Windows pretty much disappears until you have to save or load something and navigate the file structure. But frankly, the Mac isn't what it once was. The simplicity of System 9 will never return, and the reaction to Yosemite has been mixed, to say the least. A lot of people think the point of Yosemite was to force people to upgrade to better hardware. I tend to doubt that was encouraged by evil marketing people on purpose, but it's not surprising that a newer operating system would expect more available resources.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 09:41:50
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Craig, the post you quoted and replied to was written September 17, 2005.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 09:42:49
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FreeFlyBertl
I'm not a Mac person, but following the forum I saw someone (I think it was Craig) mentioning a Mac with bootcamp supposedly being the "better windows laptop" ...
Actually I was quoting what others said to me. I have both Mac and Windows laptops and desktops, so I've never felt the need to run SONAR on my Mac...it works just fine on the HP.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 16:27:08
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Anderton
But frankly, the Mac isn't what it once was. The simplicity of System 9 will never return, and the reaction to Yosemite has been mixed, to say the least...
...yes... definetely true... as a matter of fact, new Apple's main focus are now childish expensive i-TOYs... and as somebody else above mentioned, get over "religious convictions"... things like "OSX is actually significantly better at handling audio and midi" are old wearisome LEGENDS... Windows PCs, depending on their many machine's configurations, can handle EVERY and ANY task with power that Macs simply can't reach... Both Windows 7 and 8.1 are capable of handling Audio and MIDI at their best, not the mention the HUGE variety of hardware and software dedicated to music making available... ...thus old myths have no points nowadays... and rest assured, SONAR is the WINDOWS based DAW for excellence (remember the side-by-side 64-bit platform birth and growth, for instance....?) and it shall always be..... OF COURSE, it's all about personal preferences and taste, in the end... and they shall rule..... Edit P.S: ...and it's true this subject is old and weary... I keep telling myself not to fall into this sort of threads any longer, yet I do always hook... This was the last time.... I swear....... ...until next...! 
post edited by gothic.angel - 2015/03/03 16:37:46
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 17:31:04
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The things I described are verifiable facts, not legends. I actually really dislike Apple and the only thing I own from them is an iPad (out of necessity for live band stuff).
Audio and midi handling are simply implemented better on the OS level on OSX. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll run into issues on Windows, but it's still true.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 18:02:19
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gothic.angel
things like "OSX is actually significantly better at handling audio and midi" are old wearisome LEGENDS...
Incorrect. One exemple - I actually get better performance and latency from my audio interface using Apple's own default Core Audio drivers than with the manufacturer's drivers. Tested and verified time and time again, with my old M-Audio and my current Focusrite interface. Heck, my old Fast Track can no longer be used with recent version of OSX - unless I wipe AVID/M-Audio's drivers and let OSX take care of handling it... Another exemple: Apple have allowed for low-latency audio on their phones and tablets for years. Alternatives are just catching up - see IK Multimedia's recent announcement. The fact is that Apple has always placed a very strong focus on audio and video - and it's a fact, regardless of whether one likes Apple or not. They're selling systems with audio applications on them such as Garage Band which have to work out of the box. And they do. They have their own DAW, Logic, which is a top notch audio application, with an all-star line of synths and processors. They have MainStage, which is one of the most widely used host application on stages around the world. And they've just acquired Camel Audio. Clearly, Apple loves multimedia, and they're selling you an experience. That's where the difference lies - you buy a computer from them, and you're ready to go*. No need to download drivers and install tons of 3rd party tools - everything is integrated. Now, you don't have to like that, and some people prefer custom, and that's alright. But you can't disregard facts. Last Mac I bought, it took me something like 2 or 3 hours, from the moment I walked in the store to the time I was home, launching my DAW with all its 40GB of content installed. Never had to worry about such things as optimization - unless running Pro Tools which is not the greatest in terms of performance. * On the other hand, as Mr. Anderton pointed out, the latest incarnations of OSX certainly have lost their simplicity for us audio and video guys. It used to be that you'd pick up a Mac off the shelf, install your DAW software and be good to go. With Yosemite, and to a lesser extent most OSX revisions since Lion, that's no longer true. If I could buy a few dozen pre-Yosemite computers for the future, I'd do so. None of this, obviously, takes anything away from Sonar on a PC. It's a different mean to an end, period.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 18:12:52
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Karyn
Craig, the post you quoted and replied to was written September 17, 2005.
Okay, so maybe we didn't get the hovercar. But I guess this is a form of time travel.  Sanderxpander
Audio and midi handling are simply implemented better on the OS level on OSX. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll run into issues on Windows, but it's still true.
I agree. For starters, Core Audio can aggregate low-latency interfaces painlessly. Also, in typical Apple fashion, there's only ONE way to do things - you don't have MME Core Audio, DirectShow Core Audio, WDM Core Audio, WDM/KS Core Audio, WASAPI Core Audio, and WAVE RT Core Audio. You don't have MIDI port limits. Basically, audio and MIDI on the Mac was a disaster before OS X came along, and they had an opportunity to re-invent themselves...so they did. Trivia: Did you know Vista had something called Core Audio? It really did.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 19:35:50
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gothic.angel
things like "OSX is actually significantly better at handling audio and midi" are old wearisome LEGENDS...
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* On the other hand, as Mr. Anderton pointed out, the latest incarnations of OSX certainly have lost their simplicity for us audio and video guys. It used to be that you'd pick up a Mac off the shelf, install your DAW software and be good to go.
With Yosemite, and to a lesser extent most OSX revisions since Lion, that's no longer true. If I could buy a few dozen pre-Yosemite computers for the future, I'd do so.
None of this, obviously, takes anything away from Sonar on a PC. It's a different mean to an end, period.
...which basically means... that NOWADAYS all that remains about that Macs' "better handling of audio and MIDI" are old legends... 'cmon... Let's face it... it's all about multimedia these days... so even when it comes to dealing with multimedia software, Windows PCs hold most of the share. enough with ancient commonplaces. Regards.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 19:48:51
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Yes!
I run SPlat on a Mac Pro bootcamped to win7Pro x64... I never use the mac side of the machine as i really only use it for Sonar... It works great!
If you really need to be on the mac side, run parrallels as im told that works well too...
Why waste time on maintaining two different versions simply due to which os it runs on?
...just my 2cents?
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 19:57:40
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gothic.angel
...which basically means... that NOWADAYS all that remains about that Macs' "better handling of audio and MIDI" are old legends...
'cmon...
Let's face it... it's all about multimedia these days... so even when it comes to dealing with multimedia software,
Windows PCs hold most of the share.
enough with ancient commonplaces.
That's NOT what I said if you read what I wrote instead of cherry picking the parts that confirm your own bias. Let's stick with facts - no one benefits from propaganda, whether it's for or against Apple. Audio and MIDI handling are by far better handled on OSX - that valid even on Yosemite. Even Mr. Anderton's posts confirm that. What Yosemite change is that it's now closer to Windows in terms of needing to be optimized - having some eye candy turned off for example. THAT's the novelty. Overall computer performance out of the box - not audio and MIDI per se. Being commonplace doesn't make it any less true - the very vast majority of pro commercial studios, big time productions (such as Cirque du Soleil shows) and major league artists such as Nine Inch Nails are ALL using Mac. These are productions and facilities that generate millions every year and provide jobs for countless people. Other than on an anecdotal basis here or there, PC's did not replace Mac and nothing indicates that they will anytime soon - they simply answer the needs of another clientele, often consisting of self-employed independent or small operations or aspiring musicians. And then some big facilities, obviously. As a whole, it does account for a large market. So there's room for both.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 20:07:57
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KIKO CUETO
Hola, llevo años en windows, y despues de alguna conversación con personas que trabajan y viven de esto, Mac, es mas estable, en su propio conjunto, y esto es de valorar, Sonar es practico para mi, y hablar o comparar otras Daws es algo normal en el ser humano....pero hoy por hoy creo que SONAR debería de dejar decidir al cliente con quien trabajar, seguro que aumentaría la estima en la mayoría de personas hacia sonar. No culpo a Sonar, sobre inestabilidades del sistema, pero el poder elegir el sistema operativo es ser mas libre.
Por favor, disculpe mi pobre español! Eso puede ser cierto, pero el hecho es que el Sonar es para Windows, y funciona muy voluntad hay. No lo arregles si no está roto :) Me parece windows 7 muy estable.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
2015/03/03 20:20:32
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I notice the poster who resurrected this long dead thread did so in Spanish. Having attempted to respond in kind, I can only hope that I didn't just leave instructions on how to bake scones.
His basic point was that he prefers OSX, and having Sonar as a Windows only program takes the freedom of operating system choice away from the user. Please note that this is the posters opinion - not mine! Head over to google translate should you wish to reply;)
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/03/03 20:58:02
I ran Mac only from 1985 to 1995. Then I discovered that Windows could do more for less money. Since that time, I've run both Mac and Windows, both laptop and desktop.
Honestly, I see very little difference between the two these days. I use Windows for the heavy lifting with audio and video, and the Mac for office work, writing, and publishing. There are still a few points of differentiation; if you're savvy, you can get more performance out of a Windows machine for less money, they're easier to repair/replace, and they're better at backwards compatibility. Macs are easier in terms of hooking up peripherals, have better audio handling, and are pretty much essential for publishing. But the reality is the Mac isn't as special as Mac people think it is; and with RISC gone on the Mac, Windows machines don't have the kind of performance edge they once did.
When you buy into Apple, you need to do it with eyes open. Apple makes money on the hardware, so they'll make sure you need to upgrade hardware periodically. Microsoft makes money on software, so they want to make sure it runs on anything...and as many SONAR users have found out, just because you can open Windows doesn't make it an ideal environment for running SONAR.
It's all good. Except, of course, for when either OS is having a hissy fit. Then it's all bad.
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
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Re: RE: Sonar for Mac OSX
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Yup bugger all difference between macs and PC's nowadays. Just choose the marketing you prefer. So why isn't it running on my android? (and I'm still waiting for my hover car ;). ) Btw if people actually realised how much time and expence it would cost to develop Sonar on Mac they would probably ask Cakewalk to develop their own operating system instead. The whole debate is pure fantasy..
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