coltpeacemaker
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Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
Hi all let me first say im enjoying platinum alot since ive had it which is about 10 days or so. Now im on a monthly subscription off $54 aud per month which im happy to pay but my good mate has just got full pro tools for only $24.92 with a one year agreement or $29.99 per month till payed. Now this seems like a huge difference in price and your getting another great DAW (some say the best) so does sonar really stack up to its $54 p/m price? Dont get me wrong i love sonar and have used calkwalk for years but dam that pro tools price is tempting! but with all the money problems Avid is having the future is dim unless something is done to recuse them! Im looking at Apple for that one. Anyway as i said i love using sonar and thats my DAW but when i pay sonar off i might have to see what all the fuss is about....
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Deon_C
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 03:11:24
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As far as i am aware, the difference is after 12 months you get to keep sonar whether you cancel your "subscription" or not. You now "own" the software.
Where as protools will no longer function if you stop your subscription at any point.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 03:11:48
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prepare yourself for the ' there ain't no subscription, never has been brigade', best suit up  and of course you own sonar after your year is up (at least a license to use it for ever) is that the same with pro tools? i thought once you stop paying you can no longer use pro tools? [edit] and of course you wont get a balanced opinion at the home forum of one of the products you are talking about, maybe to balance things out you should ask the same question at a pro tools forum, and perhaps a neutral forum like kvr. of course the best and only way to find out is find out for yourself, ie if you can demo the other product ( pro tools, i have no idea if you can demo it)
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coltpeacemaker
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 04:03:17
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So no pay no pro tools lol no thanks! i did not know that and im sure my good mate doesnt know it either, so i let him know. There is no way in hell id fork out the money to pay a endless pit. I have no intention off converting to pro tools as sonar is awesome for what i want, i was just curious why pro tools was so cheap but now i know...cheers
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 04:26:53
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This from the Avid site "If you allow your Subscription to lapse, your Avid software licensed on a subscription basis will no longer run." - as Deon_C said.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 08:46:26
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The Grim
prepare yourself for the 'there ain't no subscription, never has been brigade', best suit up
and of course you own sonar after your year is up (at least a license to use it for ever) is that the same with pro tools? i thought once you stop paying you can no longer use pro tools?
[edit] and of course you wont get a balanced opinion at the home forum of one of the products you are talking about, maybe to balance things out you should ask the same question at a pro tools forum, and perhaps a neutral forum like kvr. of course the best and only way to find out is find out for yourself, ie if you can demo the other product (pro tools, i have no idea if you can demo it)
It's not often you see the words "neutral" & "kvr" in the same sentence. They HATE Sonar with a passion over there, almost as bad as GS
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 10:23:37
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Bristol_Jonesey
They HATE Sonar with a passion over there, almost as bad as GS
don't be such a drama queen!, it's just the real world that's not so cozy as here, there's plenty of sonar fans too, on both forums
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 11:05:59
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They HATE Sonar with a passion over there, almost as bad as GS
don't be such a drama queen!, it's just the real world that's not so cozy as here, there's plenty of sonar fans too, on both forums
No I'd say he had it - it's hate One or two former SONAR users with bad past experiences jump on and derail every attempt by anyone to objectively talk about current SONAR turning any discussion into a bog of dissent. The few loyal SONAR users there usually just stay out of those discussions.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 11:23:53
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Brando
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Bristol_Jonesey
They HATE Sonar with a passion over there, almost as bad as GS
don't be such a drama queen!, it's just the real world that's not so cozy as here, there's plenty of sonar fans too, on both forums
No I'd say he had it - it's hate
One or two former SONAR users with bad past experiences jump on and derail every attempt by anyone to objectively talk about current SONAR turning any discussion into a bog of dissent. The few loyal SONAR users there usually just stay out of those discussions.
You are spot on in what you say. But as it is always the same one or two people, to conclude " They HATE Sonar..." is a little bit of a stretch, although I can understand how one could get that impression. I did have a chuckle at KVR being described as neutral.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 11:52:17
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Also, I am not certain, but I believe once your first 12 months are up, the price per month may drop.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 11:54:11
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coltpeacemaker
So no pay no pro tools lol no thanks! i did not know that and im sure my good mate doesnt know it either, so i let him know. There is no way in hell id fork out the money to pay a endless pit. I have no intention off converting to pro tools as sonar is awesome for what i want, i was just curious why pro tools was so cheap but now i know...cheers
This is also the reason why I never played World of Warcraft. I prefer to pay once and own what I've paid for.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 11:58:37
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Wibbles
Brando
pwalpwal
Bristol_Jonesey
They HATE Sonar with a passion over there, almost as bad as GS
don't be such a drama queen!, it's just the real world that's not so cozy as here, there's plenty of sonar fans too, on both forums
No I'd say he had it - it's hate
One or two former SONAR users with bad past experiences jump on and derail every attempt by anyone to objectively talk about current SONAR turning any discussion into a bog of dissent. The few loyal SONAR users there usually just stay out of those discussions.
You are spot on in what you say. But as it is always the same one or two people, to conclude "They HATE Sonar..." is a little bit of a stretch, although I can understand how one could get that impression.
I did have a chuckle at KVR being described as neutral.
One of the worst ones (on KVR) was given a warning by a mod in the most recent Sonar thread. It was nice to see. I also piped up as a Sonar user from "2000 to 2007" was offering advice to a potential customer on what Sonar is like! I'd like to think it's moved on a bit in 10 years (edited due to brain fart). Grum.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 12:41:35
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Grumbleweed_
One of the worst ones (on KVR) was given a warning by a mod in the most recent Sonar thread. It was nice to see.
I also piped up as a Sonar user from "2000 to 2007" was offering advice to a potential customer on what Sonar is like!
I'd like to think it's moved on a bit in 7 years.
Grum.
That was nice to see. If anyone is interested: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=481003&start=75#p6732032 Grum - I think you need to check your calendar: it's 2017 not 2014. Although it would be good if the world got another chance to try and not make such a pig's ear of 2016.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 12:48:43
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I purchased SPLAT as my first DAW about 13 months ago. Still learning stuff too. But then once CW offered lifetime updates, I purchased it as well - just a one time payment.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 12:55:56
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/03/24 13:12:53
All it takes is a couple of loudmouth trolls to set a negative tone on any forum. KVR's massive popularity assures their numbers will be greater there than at any product-specific forum. So yes, you are going to see posts there that seem to suggest "they hate SONAR", but they always originate from the same bunch of grumpy posters and do not actually reflect a majority opinion. And at risk of being accused of membership in some "brigade" , no, there is no subscription and never has been.
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pwalpwal
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 13:17:33
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daws are tools for jobs, what's with the whole "loyal" bs??
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coltpeacemaker
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 13:23:57
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Well it looks like im going to have to pay kvr a visit for a bit off a rumble i think! ive never been one to back down to a good old fight. Trolls belong back under the bridge where they belong forums should be a place off discussion and ideas not a one sided pissing contest....
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 13:31:27
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Deon_C
As far as i am aware, the difference is after 12 months you get to keep sonar whether you cancel your "subscription" or not. You now "own" the software.
Where as protools will no longer function if you stop your subscription at any point.
This is not correct. I own both, SONAR and Pro Tools. This is form Avids FAQ: Q) Will Pro Tools stop working at the end of my Upgrade Plan term? A) No, a perpetual license does not expire so you can continue to use Pro Tools regardless of your plan status. If you don't renew your Upgrade Plan before it expires, you can continue using the versions of software released during your Plan's term.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 13:36:26
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coltpeacemaker
Well it looks like im going to have to pay kvr a visit for a bit off a rumble i think! ive never been one to back down to a good old fight. Trolls belong back under the bridge where they belong forums should be a place off discussion and ideas not a one sided pissing contest....
should at least be entertaining  don't forget to share the link
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 13:50:11
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HMusikk
This is not correct. I own both, SONAR and Pro Tools. This is form Avids FAQ:
Q) Will Pro Tools stop working at the end of my Upgrade Plan term?
A) No, a perpetual license does not expire so you can continue to use Pro Tools regardless of your plan status. If you don't renew your Upgrade Plan before it expires, you can continue using the versions of software released during your Plan's term.
There is no mention in the OP about purchasing a PT perpetual license, the subscription does not come with a perpetual license.
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coltpeacemaker
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 14:42:45
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pwalpwal
coltpeacemaker
Well it looks like im going to have to pay kvr a visit for a bit off a rumble i think! ive never been one to back down to a good old fight. Trolls belong back under the bridge where they belong forums should be a place off discussion and ideas not a one sided pissing contest....
should at least be entertaining
don't forget to share the link
Count on it ive all ready been over there and stirred the pot! I dont think they like me lol Also my good mate has contacted PT about his subscription so we should here back from them in 2100
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pwalpwal
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 14:43:45
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coltpeacemaker
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 14:46:16
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HMusikk
This is not correct. I own both, SONAR and Pro Tools. This is form Avids FAQ:
Q) Will Pro Tools stop working at the end of my Upgrade Plan term?
A) No, a perpetual license does not expire so you can continue to use Pro Tools regardless of your plan status. If you don't renew your Upgrade Plan before it expires, you can continue using the versions of software released during your Plan's term.
There is no mention in the OP about purchasing a PT perpetual license, the subscription does not come with a perpetual license.
So what is a perpetual licence? sorry i dont know alot about PT and there way off doing things! cheers
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 18:09:10
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You naughty boy. Isn't starting that thread at KVR a form of trolling in itself?
If you want to start a thread praising Sonar, that's good. If you want to start a thread praising Sonar just to get a reaction from the Sonar dissenters, that's not so good.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 18:20:10
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Wibbles
You naughty boy. Isn't starting that thread at KVR a form of trolling in itself?
If you want to start a thread praising Sonar, that's good. If you want to start a thread praising Sonar just to get a reaction from the Sonar dissenters, that's not so good.
Lol I love doing this online. Find things that people hate which I happen to like and go troll them.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 18:29:27
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coltpeacemaker
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HMusikk
This is not correct. I own both, SONAR and Pro Tools. This is form Avids FAQ:
Q) Will Pro Tools stop working at the end of my Upgrade Plan term?
A) No, a perpetual license does not expire so you can continue to use Pro Tools regardless of your plan status. If you don't renew your Upgrade Plan before it expires, you can continue using the versions of software released during your Plan's term.
There is no mention in the OP about purchasing a PT perpetual license, the subscription does not come with a perpetual license.
So what is a perpetual licence? sorry i dont know alot about PT and there way off doing things! cheers
http://www.avid.de/pro-tools/how-to-buy2 first columns are: "Subscribe" and "Buy". CW has "buy with month payment" and "buy with one payment". The first one, "buy with month payment", revert to "subscribe" ONLY in case you stop monthly payments within first 12 month. If you continue with monthly payments after 12 month, you have already bought the license and but continue to pay for monthly upgrades. Also after 12 month you can choose "one year of upgrades" one time payment, it is cheaper. Since after 12 month you own Sonar license, per month price is obviously greater or equal "buy price" divided by 12. Since after 12 month of ProTools subscription you own nothing, they can put prices they want (lower).
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 18:30:16
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Bhav
Lol I love doing this online. Find things that people hate which I happen to like and go troll them.
That's a bit sad. Have you considered doing something more constructive with you time? Like, growing up?
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 18:38:48
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Wibbles
Bhav
Lol I love doing this online. Find things that people hate which I happen to like and go troll them.
That's a bit sad. Have you considered doing something more constructive with you time? Like, growing up?
No kidding. Cakewalk has a bad enough reputation on KVR without this sort of immature crap.
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Re: Sonar subscription vs pro tools subscription
2017/03/24 18:44:27
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