Kamikaze
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Sonars next Plug In?
This isn't about what anyone know, but what would you hope for, imagine, foresee.
Now they have re-worked both the LP-EQ and LP-MB and superseded Boost with the new Adaptive-Limiter, what's next. Although these can be used for both mixing and mastering, it seems to me as though the Sonar Approach is the mix in PC and master in VST, with an overlap and flexibility to do both either way.
So what would you like the next step to to be, what would you guess they are up to. Are they focusing on the mastering chain, I wonder if and analyzer is next, or a Dynamic EQ.
We've not had many Pro Channels for a while. With the third party options, most bases seems covered. Maybe a Transient Designer. When they created the ProChannel format, they gave created an 'Analysis Category', but no PC modules were developed for it. This would have to be a fly-out I imagine to get something to be helpfully readable.
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 11:39:49
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☄ Helpfulby markoburrows 2017/05/31 12:57:58
Sonar is becoming a pretty complete package. There are third party plugins that I prefer but not many that, as a "type", don't exist in Sonar. I guess a dynamic EQ is one, although it seems very similar to a multiband compressor. A dedicated adjustable VU meter seems like it would fit well in the ProChannel. Actually, now that I think of it, metaplugins would be cool - similar to the BlueCat series. Those would be great for parallel and multiband processing with any plugin. The possibilities we'd get with FX chains would then also expand dramatically.
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Brian Walton
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 13:28:29
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Sonar lacks a legitimate Noise Reduction Plugin
I'd think a delay would be a decent add to the pro-channel.
A valuable add would be an analyzer that works with selecting different channels so you can see overlap and relationships to adjust eqs accordingly.
I think a composition tool would be a valuable add.
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Kamikaze
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 13:46:21
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I'd love some compositional tools, but the thread is more about VST/PC Plugs.
I have a ProChannel delay, it's part of the VKFX. If they were to do these, then maybe chorus/flangers and phasers would be planned too. But I'm thinking the VKFX covers these and sonar want to focus on the mixing PC than the more creative ones.
Taking advantage of the ProChannels minimal footprint, would be a great way to put analyzers on several tracks, but have a combined flyout to show them all. I hadn't thought of it that way. That could also allow developing a comprehensive analyzer that served both the Mixing and Mastering needs.
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chuckebaby
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 13:53:19
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☄ Helpfulby karhide 2017/05/31 13:57:09
Sonar has a lot of tools now to do a lot of different things.
One thing I believe it is missing though is a good or even half decent Meter.
Its impossible to do any fine detailed work on the small meters Sonar has in the Master bus.
If they incorporate the meter they have on the Adaptive limiter, life would be great.
So I am hoping for a fly out meter, or something the equivalent.
I do have plug ins that do this in my tool box, so its not totally necessary for myself to have a great meter.
But if Sonar wants to complete the package, a good meter (with built in K-system) is where I would start.
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 13:59:08
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+1 for a decent analyser/meter. Sonar Plat does provide a comprehensive toolset but probably the most important thing that is missing now is a good analyser.
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 17:16:49
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A face lift for the bread and butter effects would be really nice. If I remember correctly, Sonar Home Studio 4 had really nice GUI's for the reverb, delay, etc.... Then those just didn't transfer over in the newer releases of the software.
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 17:54:12
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chuckebaby
Sonar has a lot of tools now to do a lot of different things.
One thing I believe it is missing though is a good or even half decent Meter.
Its impossible to do any fine detailed work on the small meters Sonar has in the Master bus.
If they incorporate the meter they have on the Adaptive limiter, life would be great.
So I am hoping for a fly out meter, or something the equivalent.
I do have plug ins that do this in my tool box, so its not totally necessary for myself to have a great meter.
But if Sonar wants to complete the package, a good meter (with built in K-system) is where I would start.
^^^^^ This would be fantastic! Rocky
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karhide
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 18:20:27
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 18:20:29
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Lord Tim
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 18:38:08
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The two plugins I'd love to replace are the Waves S1-Shuffler and the Doubler-2 plugins. The Shuffler is great for correcting or enhancing the stereo image, and the Doubler is fantastic for spreading things over the stereo image and doing chorusing/thickening. I *can* recreate that one with plugins and make an effects chain with just Sonitus plugins, mind you, but the Doubler is super elegant and just works. Aside from that, I agree with what others have said - a great frequency / phase meter plugin with a snapshot memory like the Waves PAZ series would be brilliant. The CA-2A, LP multiband and EQ, and the Adaptive Limiter are my go-to effects these days, which I'm absolutely loving!
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 18:42:52
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RSMCGUITAR
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/05/31 19:36:08
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I would love to see a remake of the Channel Tools plugin. I find the stereo width portion of that plug really wonky to use. It would be great if it was a prochannel module because you could display multiple instances more easily.
A refresh on the quad-curve EQ would be nice too. I'd like to see a makeup gain adjustment added and perhaps presets.
It would be pretty cool if cakewalk and Overloud worked out an update for the console emulator as well.
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/01 00:10:40
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RSMCGUITAR
I would love to see a remake of the Channel Tools plugin. I find the stereo width portion of that plug really wonky to use. It would be great if it was a prochannel module because you could display multiple instances more easily.
A refresh on the quad-curve EQ would be nice too. I'd like to see a makeup gain adjustment added and perhaps presets.
It would be pretty cool if cakewalk and Overloud worked out an update for the console emulator as well.
I wish they would release the Boz and Joey Sturgis Tones "Sidewidener" plugin as a pro-channel. Easy enough to have all the functions in that space. And Boz is already known to work within the format. And the plugin is already great. As for everyone that wants better metering. Things like this look good and are free and well regarded in general (though it would be nice to have something similar as a PC plug). Though depending on where you put the PC in the effect chain, it could be limiting. http://www.tb-software.com/TBProAudio/mvmeter.html
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/01 00:24:47
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☄ Helpfulby galeom 2017/06/07 13:35:48
I think cake should show some love to the Sonitus plugins, these plugins have been flying under the radar for years, if you haven't tried them, you're missin out...
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/01 01:32:59
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Primetime
I think cake should show some love to the Sonitus plugins, these plugins have been flying under the radar for years, if you haven't tried them, you're missin out...
I agree whole heartedly....
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/01 01:46:46
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☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/06/01 01:58:34
Primetime
I think cake should show some love to the Sonitus plugins, these plugins have been flying under the radar for years, if you haven't tried them, you're missin out...
I'm pretty sure this would have to come from Ultrafunk: http://www.ultrafunk.com/ Rocky
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/01 07:15:33
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The Sonitus plugins are fantastic. It's a shame people write them off for being "old looking" because they're pure work-horses that just get the job done with no fuss.
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/01 09:47:47
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☄ Helpfulby glennstanton 2017/06/06 16:28:40
bluzdog
Primetime
I think cake should show some love to the Sonitus plugins, these plugins have been flying under the radar for years, if you haven't tried them, you're missin out...
I'm pretty sure this would have to come from Ultrafunk: http://www.ultrafunk.com/
Rocky
Sonitus: 1998 - 2003. . Wow. These plug ins were top dogs in their day and are a bit dated now, however those plug ins still have major flexibility. For example, the Sonitus Delay I still use on almost every project as it has independent side to side time sliders and while its mostly transparent, it has a nice coloration . The thing I love about it most is it reminds me of one of my hardware units: The Digitech RDS 1900. The RDS 1900 is not greatest hardware delay in the world but back in the day, I was able to squeeze every once out of that delay. I'm able to do similar things with the Sonitus Delay as well.
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/01 16:33:37
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As a rank amateur, I feel I've got mastering tools that are well beyond my talents and needs coming out of my ears. (I'm almost embarrassed that I own the full-blown Platinum version, it's well beyond my simple needs, but a metaphorical alignment of the planets allowed me to grab the lifetime updates deal at the 11th hour). Some form of more creative VST would please me. Due to my current impecunious circumstances, I rely on what comes with Sonar and some of the freebies out there. Other than getting Waves IM Pusher for £17 (I had a $30 off coupon) in December, my last VST purchase was in 2009! But if the Bakers were to ask me what I'd really like, I'd say: take the best bits from Beatscape, DropZone, RXP and Cyclone, and make the instrument you should have made in the first place. 
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/01 17:16:07
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Lord Tim
The Sonitus plugins are fantastic. It's a shame people write them off for being "old looking" because they're pure work-horses that just get the job done with no fuss.
I use the compressor on bass tracks quite frequently.
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/02 04:02:26
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I think Sonar has the bases mostly covered when it comes to bread and butter effects (especially when you consider how good some of the less featured but still very usable effects like Sonitus suite are). I would like to see something creative like a stutter edit type .
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/02 19:11:59
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Another delay besides Sonitus, and an analyzer similar to the Blue Cat multi freq pro...
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/02 20:26:56
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Another delay besides Sonitus...
Well there are the two Nomad Factory BT delays and Cakewalk Tempo Delay, but yeah, why not? Delays are fun. On the subject of fun delays, have you tried Diffuse by Surreal Machines? It's far from bread and butter, and free until 8 June 2017: https://www.surrealmachines.com/product/dub-machines-vstau/ Tip: use the VST3 version. The VST2 version can cause Sonar to hang.
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/02 20:44:07
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bokchoyboy
Another delay besides Sonitus...
On the subject of fun delays, have you tried Diffuse by Surreal Machines? It's far from bread and butter, and free until 8 June 2017: https://www.surrealmachines.com/product/dub-machines-vstau/
Tip: use the VST3 version. The VST2 version can cause Sonar to hang.
Definitely! So far I'm finding it quite interesting, and have been playing with it for a few days. It has tons of presets that demonstrate the range that it has. One of my favorite presets is "Half Black Hole". Just for kicks, I have been pairing Diffuse with the free Pancake (stereo auto-panner) from Cable Guys. http://www.cableguys.com/pancake.html Interesting combination! 
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bapu
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/03 21:12:53
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/06/04 12:51:45
This is the plugin I want next from Boston. 
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Dickie Fredericks
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/05 22:25:11
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Let any/all plugins go into the pro channel.
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RSMCGUITAR
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/05 22:59:29
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You already can do that with fx chains
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Dickie Fredericks
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/05 23:06:29
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Sure, but now I have to make an FX chain. I can do that in the fx bin too.
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RSMCGUITAR
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Re: Sonars next Plug In?
2017/06/05 23:08:27
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Well, that makes no sense
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