Specific Zoom Drag Issue

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2013/12/23 09:32:19 (permalink)

Specific Zoom Drag Issue

Hello
This is a spin off from this thread:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3d-Zoom-Still-As-Messed-Up-As-In-X3c-m2954161.aspx#2955239
 
I though I'd create another thread to get down to the bottom of a specific issue.
It seems to be reproducable in older projects, may created from Sonar X2 or earlier. Then again others might be able to reproduce in new projects.
I cannot reproduce it every time, it appears intermittent. BTW I am absolutely dragging this right every time.

STEPS:

Open a project with multiple tracks
Auto track zoom = OFF
hold down Z
Drag across two tracks
ACTUAL
Does not zoom into two tracks. Shows multiple tracks
Press ALT-Z
Drag across two tracks

ACTUAL

As Expected both tracks display properly zoomed (other tracks not displayed).
(You have to do it twice???).

NOTE

This might not work first time, try some other tracks.... Can be difficult to reproduce but once you find tracks that behave like this the steps are consistent.
 
Can anybody confirm? I suspect some will be able to, some won't. So we need lots of testers.... thanks...
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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:00:18 (permalink)
    I just went several rounds with this recipe with projects originating in various versions of SONAR, and can't reproduce a problem. Incidentally, I can't reproduce Keni's issue with multi-lane track zooming, either.
     

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:07:43 (permalink)
    Thanks Dave....!
     
    Any more takers?

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:09:56 (permalink)
    I see Keni's issue is apparently project-specific as well.

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:11:27 (permalink)
    Indeed, I've tested this particular issue on multiple projects so far, gotta be a smoking gun somewhere....

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:13:33 (permalink)
    I just tried this with several pre-X3 projects and cannot produce either. I did a few iterations of projects with Auto Track Zoom requiring disabling (i.e. the projects had been saved with Auto Track Zoom on). I also tested with various iterations of the Inspector/Dock/Brower expanded and collapsed; then decided to undock all three and throw them onto another monitor.
     
    In all iterations, I only needed to zoom one time.

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:16:29 (permalink)
    Hmmmmm... Thanks :)

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:33:53 (permalink)
    I am not sure if this is related, but if you hit z and drag as specified... tracks will zoom to proportional height...
     
    If you then hold Z a second time, and scroll any vertically... the lanes added to the zoom do not zoom to the same height.
     
    Example... do the above, and zoom on a section of tracks 1/2. Then hold z, start drag on track 2 and scroll into track 3 (out of view initially). It seems the zoom is "proportional" to initial track height.
     
    Work arounds for this are to fit tracks (either hit F or Shift-F) prior to subsequent zooms.

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:51:38 (permalink)
    I'm wondering how it is project dependent...
     
    With projects started in X3b or c I can get it to work by removing various elements... which elements are an issue that I can't seem to narrow down...
     
    I can always make it work if I remove the "extra" lanes on the track, but it will also work on the track with multiple lanes (sometimes) after removing all vsti's... It's getting more confusing to me as I research it more...
     
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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:55:09 (permalink)
    This issue is nothing to do with Multiple takelanes hence I started a new thread to tackle a specific scenario as explained (#1). Want to nail this down. Thanks...

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:55:33 (permalink)
    BTW...
     
    weird that I see in this project it zooms two tracks above it as well and all to the limited size...?
     
     
     

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 13:56:56 (permalink)
    Keni Could you look at my specific steps please in #1, can you reproduce?

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 14:20:20 (permalink)
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    Keni Could you look at my specific steps please in #1, can you reproduce?

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    No...
     
    I cannot reproduce it as my projects are not zooming correctly no matter how many times I repeat or repeat and undo the action...
     
    If I start with a new/clean project and create 4 tracks with audio and do the process, they zoom correctly the first time....
     
    I'll bet there are more elements involved that aren't in your report... Just as I'm suspecting with mine...
     
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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/23 15:46:35 (permalink)
    This is a reason why I would really love a "community Gobbler" since trying to envision things gets flaky at times. It would be nice to know the reason "why" rather than have things festering about.

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/28 12:03:58 (permalink)
    OK guys, I've been playing around and think I've found something. Give this a go:
     
    1. Create a new project.
     
    2. Make 3 folders.
     
    3. Record a handful of tracks (audio or MIDI). Move these tracks into the folders so you have at least 1 or more track in each folder, and have 3 tracks alone outside of the folders.
     
    4. Move the non-foldered tracks to the top of the track view so you have the 3 tracks, then 3 folders with tracks inside them underneath. Make sure each folder is CLOSED.
     
    5. Z-Drag over the top of any of the non-foldered tracks at the top. It'll work correctly no matter what you do - be it single tracks or multiple tracks.
     
    6. Now move the non-foldered tracks to the bottom of the track view so the folders are first. Z-Drag on any or all of those tracks and... zoom is screwy. Sometimes you'll get no zoom, sometimes if you scroll up you'll find the first one is maximised but the others aren't.
     
    7. Open the first folder, Z-Drag across parts of it. It'll work correctly. Close the first folder.
     
    8. Open the second folder. Z-Drag across parts of it. Same zoom issues as the non-foldered tracks when they were moved to the bottom. This will also happen with the third folder too.
     
    9. Now open all of the folders. Z-Drag works correctly on the entire project.
     
    From what I've been able to work out, zoom works correctly for every track until it encounters a closed folder and then every track after that does not zoom correctly.
     
    Hopefully this isn't just a screwy project of mine and can be reproduced so it can be fixed. :)
     
     

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/28 12:59:33 (permalink)
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    OK guys, I've been playing around and think I've found something. Give this a go:
     
    1. Create a new project.
     
    2. Make 3 folders.
     
    3. Record a handful of tracks (audio or MIDI). Move these tracks into the folders so you have at least 1 or more track in each folder, and have 3 tracks alone outside of the folders.
     
    4. Move the non-foldered tracks to the top of the track view so you have the 3 tracks, then 3 folders with tracks inside them underneath. Make sure each folder is CLOSED.
     
    5. Z-Drag over the top of any of the non-foldered tracks at the top. It'll work correctly no matter what you do - be it single tracks or multiple tracks.
     
    6. Now move the non-foldered tracks to the bottom of the track view so the folders are first. Z-Drag on any or all of those tracks and... zoom is screwy. Sometimes you'll get no zoom, sometimes if you scroll up you'll find the first one is maximised but the others aren't.
     
    7. Open the first folder, Z-Drag across parts of it. It'll work correctly. Close the first folder.
     
    8. Open the second folder. Z-Drag across parts of it. Same zoom issues as the non-foldered tracks when they were moved to the bottom. This will also happen with the third folder too.
     
    9. Now open all of the folders. Z-Drag works correctly on the entire project.
     
    From what I've been able to work out, zoom works correctly for every track until it encounters a closed folder and then every track after that does not zoom correctly.
     
    Hopefully this isn't just a screwy project of mine and can be reproduced so it can be fixed. :)
     
     


    Nice find Tim...

    I just tested it in a few scenarios and I think you're on the trail of it...

    Tracks above the folder zoom correctly and those below it do not... They don't even give the same results each time/situation, but it seems if they are below the folder, they do not work right!

    Thanks... I think I'll go back to living without folders for a while and see how things feel...

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/28 15:10:57 (permalink)
    I can reproduce.
     
    Tim these are extremely good steps to reproduce thankyou, you must have worked hard on this (I know it's quite time consuming to get it right).
     
    Are you able to throw in your steps here, point Cakewalk to this thread, and give us an issue number?
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    Brilliant!
     

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/28 18:31:00 (permalink)
    More info on this?
     
    I tested this by opening a project and copying a track below a folder to above it... the one above it zoomed fine. the one below continued to behave as in prior reports...
     
    I then deleted the folder to see if that would clear things for the zoom on tracks below... But it only got close...
     
    In other words, the zoom that results is closer to the zoom I selected but still not right... I believe I got two adjacent tracks within the screen height even tho I made certain to only select an area on one... Oh, and as I'm finding with scme of the other methods create the proper zoom but it is scriolled either part way or fully of screen and must be scrolled to...
     
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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/28 19:55:11 (permalink)
    Hey guys, great to see I'm not the only one!
     
    It's a bit of a crazy time here now so I'm not sure I'll be able to do a report for a while, so if someone else could file one using my recipe, that'd be great.
     
    One thing that I think someone should test before that is trying to zoom on tracks underneath a track that has take lanes enabled. So create 3 tracks, on the first one record a couple of extra lanes on there and explode the lane view so you can see all of them. It's possible this may act like the folder scenario where every track before the one with lanes will work fine with Z-Drag but every track after will be weird.
     
    I haven't had time to sit in front of my work machine and try that out yet, so I could be way off mark but it's worth giving it a go before filing a bug report for the folders.
     
    This is great stuff - good work, everyone! I'll try to check back on this thread when I have a few spare moments and see how it's all going. 

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/28 20:07:41 (permalink)
    CWBRN-22834

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2013/12/28 23:53:21 (permalink)
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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2014/01/13 12:01:51 (permalink)
    CWBRN-22834
    Status is (still) "Under Investigation".

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    Re: Specific Zoom Drag Issue 2014/03/22 09:50:56 (permalink)
    With X3E Issue persists, with slightly different behaviour.
    CWBRN-22834 still "under investigation" with Cakewalk. I would update the issue but it won't let me.
     
    STEPS:

    Open a project with multiple tracks
    Auto track zoom = OFF
    hold down Z
    Drag across two tracks
     
    EXPECTED
     
    Zooms into two tracks

    ACTUAL
     
    Zooms into  one track
     
    (behaviour now consistent).

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