Well I pasted it on this thread which is where that link points to :)

I blame the forums software and cellphones and I couldn't be arsed to correct it either :)

CakeAlexS
#13 #22 #61 #62

Thanks for your PIN. What's the account #?

Can we not have off topic posts on this thread please (referring to previous page, than the posts directly above)

So my experience from using staff view has been more for learning music than composing. I can't read music, but I can work it out, most of the time. Most of the songs I play on flute and sax are those with words, this helps me understand the phrasing, and follow the music to then work out what I should be doing. I have an interest in Jazz standards, often lacking words. In the past, I have tried (from about Sonar 6 I think) several times, to input the sheet music onto the staff in Sonar. I had no idea it was so buggy, so I have no ideas if my struggles and after wasting the best part of a day banging my head were down to my ineptitude or hitting bugs. Having read some of the bugs mentioned, such as with triplets, I believe they had a big part in it, but that I was also inept. Being hindered by these bugs, I think held my in the state of inept.
 
I was recently asked to play flute on a part that had been written, by another forum member, which I declined. If I had of accepted, I would have wanted both the midi track and the staff view. I'm not going to learn a part via PRV. If I happen across a musician classically trained, and by this I don't mean a fully professional musician (though it could be), but some kid that plays the trombone or cello, but has learnt to play by reading and playing in more educational system. Then if they were interested in collaborating in a part, then I'd expect they'd expect the sheet music. Even if I can't print it from Sonar, I'd probably screen dump it into Paint or something. It would be interesting to see the techniques they use to embellish the part, but I'd need to give them the basic idea as Staff music.
 
Cakewalk allows us to write music for horn and string sections. And music producers all the way through pop have included strings and horns. Using cakewalk to sketch out an ideas using plug ins smallers or soft synths, but then to give those parts to actual musicians who plays those instruments seem like a pretty normal concept.
 
Sharke mentioned a Sonar Composer version, but I am against this idea, because Sonar should be a composition tool for Artist, Producer and Platinum users, that's why Artist includes some 11 soft synths, for composing. I think Sonar Composer would look like it was intended for Classical and Film composers, but composition does not need to be a grand as this. Having a Working Staff view in one version, would mean dropping the broken version from the rest. A Music 'Producer' should have the capabilities of adding trained musicians to play parts to their productions at least. So whilst Sonar Platinum only has just one extra function (to be expanded upon) I wouldn't even argue for it to be a Platinum function alone (And I have ordered Platinum, so I am not making this case for my benefit). Maybe teir the functionality of a fully working SV accross the three platforms, but it should at least in all versions be fully working.      

I don't know who else caugt it from Anderton a few posts back, but I really hope your wife is ok Craig. Best to both of you...

Kamikaze,
There are people on this forum that have been trying to get Cakewalk to fix SV for years. Our off-topic on the previous page is largely trying to figure out why this is the case. If we could figure out the reason maybe we could push the right buttons and get them to fix it (or not). My suggestion is to go to the features & ideas forum and post your request to fix SV there.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx
Maybe we could build up to a critical mass.
PM'ing the posters in this thread is like preaching to the choir.
 

swamptooth
I don't know who else caugt it from Anderton a few posts back, but I really hope your wife is ok Craig. Best to both of you...

Thanks. She's probably going to be all right, but not without some effort.

Mike, I don't know. It has been stated that Cake does not think enough users care about SV. To me it seems like one of the biggest gripes. I don't mean me, I mean from what I see users complain about on the forum. Cake seems to be listening at this point in time so why not give it another try.
I know a classically trained composer and he works with Sonar and Finale in a manner similar to yours. His complaint is he has to drastically edit the MIDI imported from Finale to get it to play the same in Sonar.
You may be right and we are beating a dead horse

Anderton

swamptooth
I don't know who else caugt it from Anderton a few posts back, but I really hope your wife is ok Craig. Best to both of you...

Thanks. She's probably going to be all right, but not without some effort.

Keep strong Craig. Last year my gf had a minor stroke... This year she's waiting for test results for possible ovarian cancer. Things like this make everyday life much more difficult to maintain. I wish I could be of more support but quite honestly it is overwhelming and scary. All we can do is make the best of each moment. I applaud your engagement here when you're dealing with something that sounds very intense. It is a difficult balancing act.

I just did some googling about musicXML and Sonar. Sonar supported exporting (poorly) musicXML since way back. Does this mean Sonar 2015 still does not import musicXML? I cannot find an answer. Lovely.
Even though my original search did not include the term Staff View but instead musicXML, I found page after page of people requesting Staff View fixes in the forum.
So if anyone does not think this matters to Sonar users try either of these searches in google.
musicXML site:forum.cakewalk.com
"staff view" site:forum.cakewalk.com
Some of the hits go back to 2006 maybe earlier.

Thanks Scook,
No musicXML import. I'm bummed.
You know this just calling Sonar 2015 plain Sonar will make searching difficult.

pbognar
That was not the spirit of Bill Jackson's posts.
The two takeaways for me:
1)  Potential SV improvements are more realistic now more than ever before - thanks for being patient
 - HOWEVER -
2) No current SV development in progress at this moment
 
A publishing tool inside Sonar is too much.  If snap and the handling of triplets were addressed, that would be enough for me.  

Agreed!

After 20 years working in software development and knowing how to parse corporate speak... No comment.
 
I've used Cakewalk since the 90's, it has a good set of features and capabilities. However, the primary reason
I have stuck with Sonar all these years is being able to compose using a staff instead of having to use a piano roll. I even know how to work around some of the most annoying bugs and use them to my advantage, occasionally. PT has a notation editor but PT doesn't support VST so I haven't used it much.
 
Sonar has a few nice features that differentiate it from other DAWs but I can't think of much besides the staff view that I can't do without. The included plugins and synths are ok but the 3rdParty stuff I have sounds so much better. The only Cakewalk plugin I use regularly is the concrete limiter on the main bus and I never touch it unless I'm previewing a really loud patch. I used to use Z3TA+2 a lot, but not so much these days, it's getting to be a bit long in the tooth (I think the last update was in 2011). Lately, with the rapid churn of 3rdParty plugins like SI, SD, and V-Vocal to who knows what next week, AD, and Melodyne, it's hard to create a project that won't break with the next release if you uninstall the previous version. Maybe Gibson will fix that, maybe not.
 
I pre-ordered the new version of Sonar as soon as I possibly could, I want to try out the new mix recall stuff. I also ordered a copy of Cubase this weekend, primarily because the notation editor looks really good. I'm going to give both a shot over the next week or two.
Who knows, maybe I'll stick with Cakewalk, maybe I won't.
 
If I go away, it's not going to matter much anyway in the grand scheme of things, I'm a PITA here so I'm sure Cakewalk won't mind. I'll just be pissing off another forum. I just don't see much coming that makes my workflow any better.
 
 
 

Paul P

Kamikaze
It may not be a selling point to new users, but it could be a keeping point for old ones.

I think it can be more of selling point than is obvious.  A lot of musicians looking for a DAW may be interested in working in a staff view, but if Sonar doesn't have a good one, they'll just buy something else and we'll never hear from them.  As far as Cakewalk is concerned, these musicians don't exist.  Meanwhile competitors are making the sales.
 
As for schools, maybe they would use Sonar more if it had a proper staff view and Cakewalk gave a few copies away.
 

Sonar "Artist" for $99 (or less discounted) would be an awesome deal for students, and if it had a better staff view it would be a killer learning app for music classes.